Topic: Is the Bible the perfect source for morality?
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Tue 06/03/08 07:41 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Tue 06/03/08 07:42 PM
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http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/127192

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Tue 06/03/08 07:46 PM
I still don't hate you.flowerforyou Just irritated. I will get over it and this is a free world. So, I guess I could just use my " ignore " option. :heart: flowerforyou

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Tue 06/03/08 07:47 PM
Who silly??flowerforyou

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Tue 06/03/08 07:50 PM
JB

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Tue 06/03/08 07:52 PM
Ok, cause I was fixin to cry......noway noway laugh

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Tue 06/03/08 08:09 PM

Note the lack of critical thinking. Note the lack of ability to associate truth with morality. Note the lack of comprehension when the words of a belief system are questioned.

As Belushi stated, it makes sense that most follow their belief out of fear but then have to CREATE an explanation to justify thier beliefs, their actions.

I asked a psychology professor exactly how fanatical does a person have to be, before they are considered metally unstable or mentally ill. Of course taking into consideration the DSM-IV-TR (diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Version IV, Text Revision) manual.

For all those who think they are constantly bashed - let it be known that the APA (American Psychological Association)itself is considering this question and has actually set up a whole field devoted to understanding the role of religion on the mind and body. So at this time they hold rigidly, probably more so than usual, where the diagnosis of the deeply religious is concerned, to the manual.

Obviously is it a concern, and all of those I have spoken with have the same basic opinion. This life is about experiencing everything within our human capacity. Any thinking, or belief that hinders that experience, takes away from the growth of the mind and can vastly harm one's ability to concentrate, to be brave and strong, to think critically and logically and to rise above bias and prejudice.

These things are not an illness, according to APA, but they harm millions upon millions of people in this world every day.

Why is it that your God would ask you to be afraid, not to experience, not to grow, but to be biased, to hate, in his name?
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Yes, as Belushi stated, it makes sense that most follow their belief out of fear but then have to CREATE an explanation to justify their beliefs, their actions.

Note the insults and ridicule. Note the questioning of everything. You ask and search always looking to find a means to justify a lifestyle that is contradictory to the mainstream and the teachings of the Lord. Something that will disprove what disagrees with the lifestyle you have chosen.

In every post you make this motivation shines through like a lighthouse beam to warn passing ships of danger.

Y'all take one passage, limit it to what meaning you wish to project, twist it to fit into a context that will let your own mind believe that your belief system is superior to Christianity and justify your sins as something they aren't.

The passage that Belushi has posted and refers to is not complete, tells nothing of what the Amalekites did to the Israelis, and takes place at a time shortly after the exodus from Egypt.

A time when God had made a covenant with the Jews specifically and was using them as a teaching between good and evil, those who follow god and those who deny him. If you read the whole bible you will see times when he also punished the Jews for falling from his graces as well.

The bible is not a single passage but a novel of gods teachings. It is full of stories of good, bad, and warnings of people who will try to disclaim it to justify their personal spiritual failings.

Ask and he will forgive. This is part of his covenant made to all men when he sent Jesus Christ to save us!




Wasn't Belusihi a miserable adult who had a terrible childhood and then died of a drug overdose? Is this the same Belushi?

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Tue 06/03/08 08:59 PM

Wasn't Belusihi a miserable adult who had a terrible childhood and then died of a drug overdose? Is this the same Belushi?


That would be John Belushi the actor.

For myself ...?

My childhood was filled with love and intelligent discourse that taught me to never stop asking questions to seek knowledge and understanding from logic.

I have never done drugs and I am free of religion ...

and for this I am truly grateful

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Tue 06/03/08 09:09 PM


Wasn't Belusihi a miserable adult who had a terrible childhood and then died of a drug overdose? Is this the same Belushi?


That would be John Belushi the actor.

For myself ...?

My childhood was filled with love and intelligent discourse that taught me to never stop asking questions to seek knowledge and understanding from logic.

I have never done drugs and I am free of religion ...

and for this I am truly grateful



I was greatful for "THIS" once but it did not last long - so now i'm greatful for - "THAT"

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Tue 06/03/08 09:12 PM

Note the insults and ridicule. Note the questioning of everything. You ask and search always looking to find a means to justify a lifestyle that is contradictory to the mainstream and the teachings of the Lord. Something that will disprove what disagrees with the lifestyle you have chosen.


Yes ... what insults or ridicule. If you christians were that sure of your faith, nothing I could say would be insulting or ridicule you.

... and of course I question everything ... especially what you say, as most of it is pasted and copied from google.

You know nothing of my lifestyle. How do you think you do? As usual, you make assumptions based on your imagery and as usual you are wrong.


Y'all take one passage, limit it to what meaning you wish to project, twist it to fit into a context that will let your own mind believe that your belief system is superior to Christianity and justify your sins as something they aren't.

and you christians dont, of course.

I have proved many times that for every biblical phrase you can come up with to prove jesus was straight, I could prove he could have been gay.

So, when I take not just one page, but a whole section and use your bible to prove your god contributed to the slaughter of hundreds if not thousands of people, you, as usual are selective in your assessment.


The passage that Belushi has posted and refers to is not complete, tells nothing of what the Amalekites did to the Israelis, and takes place at a time shortly after the exodus from Egypt.


But what does that matter?
Your god is forgiving and they should have turned the other cheek!
Not all vile and full of revenge.

A time when God had made a covenant with the Jews specifically and was using them as a teaching between good and evil, those who follow god and those who deny him. If you read the whole bible you will see times when he also punished the Jews for falling from his graces as well.

Punished? What do you mean punished? You mean kill 50,000 of them? or tell another group to slaughter women and children


The bible is not a single passage but a novel of gods teachings. It is full of stories of good, bad, and warnings of people who will try to disclaim it to justify their personal spiritual failings.

Then you should also abide by this and not use google to find bible passages to justify your lack of comittment to a hate-filled spiteful religious ideal that by its own admission kills non-believers


Ask and he will forgive. This is part of his covenant made to all men when he sent Jesus Christ to save us!


So you have to beg for forgiveness?
Why does he not give it automatically like the bible says?

No wonder JC was called a shepherd ... there is more wool here than in New Zealand & Australia combined!

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Tue 06/03/08 09:21 PM
Here is an interesting google-inspired fact

The Federal Bureau of Prisons state that among prison inmates, about 83% are Christians. About two tenths of one percent are atheists.

Note that atheists, being a moderate proportion of the USA population (about 8-16%) are disproportionately less in the prison populations (0.21%)

So, either they found god inside ... it helps them under stress from picking up the soap with Bubba

or

They had it before and ignored it.

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Tue 06/03/08 09:31 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Tue 06/03/08 09:53 PM
This has been shared many times before....

sharing this once more.......


Christianity is NOT about Religion..but about a Lifestyle!!

Yes...sadly, Christianity has been labelled and turned into a religion by man......but again, Jesus NEVER meant for man to turn Him into a Religion!!!!!!

However..when a man truly becomes born again, he finds out that.... by his believing and accepting Jesus into his heart, he now has a RELATIONSIP with God now.

In other words, a born again christian realizes....that he did not join a religion..he joined JESUS!!!

And THAT is why JESUS is for the whole wide world.
Cause Jesus is NOT about a Religion!!
But a Relationship!!
That is why Christianity is called a Lifestyle!!
Not a Religion!!!

AND.....JESUS is the ONLY way , that one can have a RELATIONSHIP and FELLOWSHIP with the Father.
But this can only happen thru acepting Jesus .

Fellowship and Relationship back with Father God.......this is Something every heart yearns for...whether every heart knows this or not yet......and that yearning in every man's heart, can ONLY be FILLED, by accepting the free gift of grace....the Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen.

Jesus said, " I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Light.
NO Man Comes to the Father, but By Me" .


:heart:






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Tue 06/03/08 09:38 PM

This has been shared many time before....

sharing this once more.......


Christianity is NOT about Religion..but about a Lifestyle!!

Yes...sadly, Christianity has been labelled and turned into a religion by man......but again, Jesus NEVER meant for man to turn Him into a Religion!!!!!!

However..when a man truly becomes born again, he finds out that.... by his believing and accepting Jesus into his heart, he now has a RELATIONSIP with God now.

In other words, a born again christian realizes....that he did not join a religion..he joined JESUS!!!

And THAT is why JESUS is for the whole wide world.
Cause Jesus is NOT about a Religion!!
But a Relationship!!
That is why Christianity is called a Lifestyle!!
Not a Religion!!!

AND.....JESUS is the ONLY way..... one can have a RELATIONSHIP and FELLOWSHIP ...back with the Father.
But this can only happen thru acepting Jesus .

Fellowship and Relationship back with Father God.......this is Something every heart yearns for...wheterh every heart knows this yet or not......and that yearning in every man's heart, can ONLY be FILLED...... by accepting the free gift of grace..the Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen.

Jesus said, " I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Light.
NO Man Comes to the Father, but By Me" .


:heart:


... once more we get on the merry-go-round

so you cant get to heaven unless you follow a specific set of rules.

if you dont then you go to hell, or purgatory

Coercing people into doing what they dont want to?
With a really severe punishment if they dont.


So, that's ok for Muslims to follow islam to attain 72 virgins then? (male or female)
Which, by the way, Jesus was also a prophet for ...

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Tue 06/03/08 09:44 PM
Belushi......


Trying to tell a Born again Chrsitian , that he is NOT sure of his Faith......is as silly as trying to tell a living human being ,that he was never born.

Christians have been born again in their spirits.

That's WHY......ONCE that born again experience takes place,that a christian KNOWS that he KNOWS that he KNOWS that He KNOWS........that he is born again!!!!

Just like a babe being born into the physical world is real in his birth experience .... so also is the christian's birth experience , in the spirit.


That is why this FAITH message is so hard for the world to understand.....cause the world has not experiencn=ed that born again experience... to know what we christians are talking about.

Bur on day you will know too, Belushi....:heart:



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Tue 06/03/08 09:46 PM

Belushi......


Trying to tell a Born again Chrsitian , that he is NOT sure of his Faith......is as silly as trying to tell a living human being ,that he was never born.

Christians have been born again in their spirits.

That's WHY......ONCE that born again experience takes place,that a christian KNOWS that he KNOWS that he KNOWS that He KNOWS........that he is born again!!!!

Just like a babe being born into the physical world is real in his birth experience .... so also is the christian's birth experience , in the spirit.


That is why this FAITH message is so hard for the world to understand.....cause the world has not experiencn=ed that born again experience... to know what we christians are talking about.

Bur on day you will know too, Belushi....:heart:



One day? What you mean when you actually answer a question without hiding behind rhetoric and religious dogma?

I look forward to that.
I wont hold my breath though grumble

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Tue 06/03/08 09:48 PM



Wasn't Belusihi a miserable adult who had a terrible childhood and then died of a drug overdose? Is this the same Belushi?


That would be John Belushi the actor.

For myself ...?

My childhood was filled with love and intelligent discourse that taught me to never stop asking questions to seek knowledge and understanding from logic.

I have never done drugs and I am free of religion ...

and for this I am truly grateful



I was greatful for "THIS" once but it did not last long - so now i'm greatful for - "THAT"


That's because ,Tribo...... you might have had an "experience" with God......but you did not have the True LASTING BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE with God.flowerforyou

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Tue 06/03/08 09:59 PM


Belushi......


Trying to tell a Born again Chrsitian , that he is NOT sure of his Faith......is as silly as trying to tell a living human being ,that he was never born.

Christians have been born again in their spirits.

That's WHY......ONCE that born again experience takes place,that a christian KNOWS that he KNOWS that he KNOWS that He KNOWS........that he is born again!!!!

Just like a babe being born into the physical world is real in his birth experience .... so also is the christian's birth experience , in the spirit.


That is why this FAITH message is so hard for the world to understand.....cause the world has not experiencn=ed that born again experience... to know what we christians are talking about.

Bur on day you will know too, Belushi....:heart:



One day? What you mean when you actually answer a question without hiding behind rhetoric and religious dogma?

I look forward to that.
I wont hold my breath though grumble


No...when one day Jesus becomes Real to you too, Belushi.
And He will.
You are just not there yet.

We Christians all at one time.... were once
not there yet, also.

Btw....I see a man who has been very hurt... but behind that hurt, I also see a man with a very very tender heart.

That being you ,Belushi.flowerforyou

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Wed 06/04/08 03:01 AM

Btw....I see a man who has been very hurt... but behind that hurt, I also see a man with a very very tender heart.

That being you ,Belushi.flowerforyou


No, you choose to hide behind an ideal and then try to apply it to everyone.

What would happen if I told you I was happy being a muslim?

Would you then try to convert me to the christian religion?

Well, if the answer is no, then apply the lack of my belief in any imaginary friends, be them gods, christs, father christmas or the easter bunny.

I would never wish to be a part of something that condones murder as a resolution to a problem, and thats what is happening within your church.

Your lack of condemnation of the past acts of your god, make you as culpable as the people that slaughter in the name of any god.

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Wed 06/04/08 11:00 AM



Wasn't Belusihi a miserable adult who had a terrible childhood and then died of a drug overdose? Is this the same Belushi?


That would be John Belushi the actor.

For myself ...?

My childhood was filled with love and intelligent discourse that taught me to never stop asking questions to seek knowledge and understanding from logic.

I have never done drugs and I am free of religion ...

and for this I am truly grateful



I was greatful for "THIS" once but it did not last long - so now i'm greatful for - "THAT"


hahahah - hi my sweetmorningstar - i was just making light of what belushi stated above when he says " and for ""this"" i am truly greatful"

That's because ,Tribo...... you might have had an "experience" with God......but you did not have the True LASTING BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE with God.

you may be right about that - im not sure - nor do i care to go back and find out, although i'm not agnostic like belushi, i cannot accept to many things that born again's do. or that religion preaches - especially religions!! I'm not hung up on god's murderous way's or most of the other things - discussed allot here. im hung up on the very facts that god is not a god and jesus is not his son nor are we the only people in the universe - nor is there heaven or hell, nor does this or any god interfere with our daily lives or judge/condemn or deal with us in anyway.To me if he exsist in a way that many think of him/her - it is a creative force only - not wanting to or needing to be worshipped or thought highly of in any way - he doesnot have an ego - if he did then he would not be one i would not want to follow anyway - i can follow ego gods right here on earth. Until "religion" get's out of the way - no one will ever know the truth - and unlike you - i dont think many will see your god/jesus - in the light or faith you do - that said - i will not belittle your faith or belief, nor anyone's right to believe what they will - my concern here if any is to keep religio type use of the bible verses and related on track as to how there being used - in or out of context.

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Wed 06/04/08 01:30 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Wed 06/04/08 01:34 PM




Wasn't Belusihi a miserable adult who had a terrible childhood and then died of a drug overdose? Is this the same Belushi?


That would be John Belushi the actor.

For myself ...?

My childhood was filled with love and intelligent discourse that taught me to never stop asking questions to seek knowledge and understanding from logic.

I have never done drugs and I am free of religion ...

and for this I am truly grateful



I was greatful for "THIS" once but it did not last long - so now i'm greatful for - "THAT"


hahahah - hi my sweetmorningstar - i was just making light of what belushi stated above when he says " and for ""this"" i am truly greatful"

That's because ,Tribo...... you might have had an "experience" with God......but you did not have the True LASTING BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE with God.

you may be right about that - im not sure - nor do i care to go back and find out, although i'm not agnostic like belushi, i cannot accept to many things that born again's do. or that religion preaches - especially religions!! I'm not hung up on god's murderous way's or most of the other things - discussed allot here. im hung up on the very facts that god is not a god and jesus is not his son nor are we the only people in the universe - nor is there heaven or hell, nor does this or any god interfere with our daily lives or judge/condemn or deal with us in anyway.To me if he exsist in a way that many think of him/her - it is a creative force only - not wanting to or needing to be worshipped or thought highly of in any way - he doesnot have an ego - if he did then he would not be one i would not want to follow anyway - i can follow ego gods right here on earth. Until "religion" get's out of the way - no one will ever know the truth - and unlike you - i dont think many will see your god/jesus - in the light or faith you do - that said - i will not belittle your faith or belief, nor anyone's right to believe what they will - my concern here if any is to keep religio type use of the bible verses and related on track as to how there being used - in or out of context.



God is NOT about Religion!!!

MAN TURNED God Into a Religion!!!!

Tribo...God is OPPOSED to Religion!!!

Too!!!

Did You Know Thatt?

God is Just Waiting on Man, to Come To KNOW HIM.

HIM!!!!!!!!!!

Not Religion !!!!!

And Man Will.

Every Man.flowerforyou


The Bible says.....

"Every Knee Shall Bow

And

Every Tongue Confess

That Jesus Christ is Lord"

:heart::heart::heart:



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Wed 06/04/08 01:44 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 06/04/08 01:45 PM
God is NOT about Religion!!!


I think that is what Tribo just said.

He said:
"To me if he exists in a way that many think of him/her - it is a creative force only - not wanting to or needing to be worshiped or thought highly of in any way - he does not have an ego -"

And I agree. God is not about religion at all. God is not about any religion.

BUT when you start saying: "The Bible says....."Every Knee Shall Bow And Every Tongue Confess That Jesus Christ is Lord"

then you are talking about "religion."

THAT is Christianity.

THAT is religion.

But God is not about religion. flowerforyou