kumbaya my lord kumbaya ....



what the hell does kumbaya mean anyway?

come by hear

What? Oh, well.

Hi Cute:

Kumbaya - is a slaves prayer of desparation often made into songs, just as their African forefathers taught them. Only now their God, the only God they were allowed to believe, was the the God of The Christian. We call these singing prayers "Negro Spiritauals. This one is asking for the comfort of their God:


"Come by here, my lord, come by here."

Many of the Negro spiritauls were difficult to understand as many were never taught proper english or grammar. Only house slaves were taught such things, and only verbally. It was illegal to "TRY" to teach the lowley mind of a black slave to read.

Even the the children born from the rape of a slave-owner and his slave were considered less than human.. Of course all this led to many great black spirituals. I have always a low range, 'alto' voice and so these spirituals were always my favorite to sing - like the following song that contained a map to freedom - the drinking gourd. Slaves were not given commodities like plates and cups, they made their cups our of dried and hollowed gourds. IN the case of the song, the drinking gourd, resemples the Big Dipper (follow it north). The song had several versions, depending on where the slave began their journey to freedom from. Each song denoted a differnt set of code, landmarkd and even people along the path of the underground railroad.

Sorry for the long explanation, but this is one of those things that people should NEVER pass up the opportunity of explaining. This history MUST be remembered and recounted so that it will NEVER happen again.

VERSE 1
When the sun come back,
When the firs' quail call,
Then the time is come
Foller the drinkin' gou'd.

CHORUS
Foller the drinkin' gou'd,
Foller the drinkin' gou'd;
For the ole man say,
"Foller the drinkin' gou'd."

VERSE 2
The riva's bank am a very good road,
The dead trees show the way,
Lef' foot, peg foot goin' on,
Foller the drinkin' gou'd.

CHORUS

VERSE 3
The riva ends a-tween two hills,
Foller the drinkin' gou'd;
'Nuther riva on the other side
Follers the drinkin' gou'd.

CHORUS

VERSE 4
Wha the little riva
Meet the grea' big un,
The ole man waits--
Foller the drinkin' gou'd.

nice edit.

No...the Bible does not endorse slavery. You are confusing man's corrupt imaginations with God..AGAIN!

I find it so ironic that some here would talk about killing "innocent" women & children & think nothing of the babies being killed by abortionists. What about the pagan rituals that sacrficed their children to false gods? If you can't see that that is the same thing as abortion then you are being a hypocrite.

No one thinks that's why God had them killed off they were so corrupted by their own lusts, their consciences seared. God knows who would come to Him & who would not & it's not up to any mere human to question the God of creation. God raised a nation who would follow Him so all the world would know who the true & LIVING God is. Yet you still want to bite the very hand that has protected you all your life. How ungrateful.

You are probly some of the same that curse anything good about our nation & its values. You can't see that it's your own corrupt thinking that is destructive. Now that's beyond sad...it's pathetic. So please don't question what God does because He does things FOR our good.

I have defended JB numerous times. Then, I come back online and it sounds like she is Christian bashing. I am not sure why she is here. Like I said, maybe she is just curious.

But, I have non-religious friends that I have seen get on these forums just to irritate people. They think it is amusing. I have friends of all sorts of faiths, but I would never go onto their forums unless I was there to educate myself on their beliefs. That does not mean I will believe what they do, but I will have a better understanding. I was irritated because I defended her and then she sounded like some of my friends. By the way, I have told them it is not amusing and they should just listen to some music or something while they are drinking if they are that freakin bored. I don't hate JB though, just irritated.

OK, Quikstepper, I get that you are up against a bit of a wall here. What I don't understand is why you believe that beating your head against it will hurt the wall more than it will your head. If the entire Bible is flawless and the inspired word of God then everything in the Bible is part of that inspired word. Slavery is endorsed over and over again. Exodus 21:4 and again in verse 6. In Duet. 15:16-17. In Matt. 10:24 and in John 13:16 there are further provisions. Colossians 3:22 says, "Slaves, obey your masters."

Which part of this is man's sick thinking and which part is the word of God? Help me out here because I thought the entire Bible was taught as the Word of God?

Do I think you approve of slavery? No, and my earlier post is clear on that. I don't think anyone here does but that was not the point. The question was whether or not the Bible is a great source for moral direction? On that issue of slavery it is not, and it is not because today most fair-minded people think the entire institution of slavery to be ugly and detestable.

I'm sorry you don't like what the Bible has to say about the subject but I did not write it--your God did.

-Drew

I have defended JB numerous times. Then, I come back online and it sounds like she is Christian bashing. I am not sure why she is here. Like I said, maybe she is just curious. But, I have non-religious friends that I have seen get on these forums just to irritate people. They think it is amusing. I have friends of all sorts of faiths, but I would never go onto their forums unless I was there to educate myself on their beliefs. That does not mean I will believe what they do, but I will have a better understanding. I was irritated because I defended her and then she sounded like some of my friends. By the way, I have told them it is not amusing and they should just listen to some music or something while they are drinking if they are that freakin bored. I don't hate JB though, just irritated.

I have been curious yes, about why people seem to need religion. I don't "bash" anybody. I have questioned them deeply and I can't get what I consider to be any reasonable answers about hard questions concerning the Biblical history of Christianity. It puzzles me why they believe it.

I have recently realized that I am asking the wrong people. Christians themselves don't really have the answers and when you ask the questions, they feel like you are "bashing" them. Maybe I saw it as challenging them to think, but it's not my business to do that anyway. It's not my job.

I know now what draws people to religion. I have no need to question them anymore. So you will probably not see me on these forums much any more. I have the answer I was looking for.




I mistakenly thought these forums were for the purpose of discussion and debate but most people get offended by the most logical or reasonable debate, especially when it comes to religions.

They don't have a philosophy category, and I like to discuss ideas and metaphysics and have done so a lot on this club, but it had to be done in the "religion" forum.

You can rest easy now, all of you, because I leave you to your own discussions on your religious topics. They are no longer my business or my interest anymore.

JB

Drew......in order for one to fully understand the Word of God, one needs to look at the WHOLE WORD..and NOT just PARTS!!!

Tribo just wrote on how some can take the Word of God OUT of context.
I agree.
We can't take the Word out of context.....or else we will make the Word say anythign we want it to.

ALSO Drew.. you need the Holy Spirit in you ( the Holy Spirit comes to reside in a christian when he is born again) , to give you the rightt interpretation of God's Word.

Hey, if you need to be forgiven for your pathetic life of sin, more power to you and your path. I really don't care what you want to believe anymore.

I have other things to do now. I have wasted enough time with this futile and pointless effort of attempting to help delusional people come out of the darkness and into the light of reason.

So I bid you farewell.