JB is VERY interested in Christianity. I see her alot on this site. Why would someone come here to irritate,unless their real purpose for being here was to find out why some are able to have so much faith and she cannot? It is a sad excistence to think that this is all there is to life. I know that no matter how hard things may seem on Earth, at the end I will spend eternity surrounded by love and happiness.

Unlike many I do not worship another human being. I worship God!

Judging by your reaction,
I must have hit a sore spot with you.

Its okay!

Ask, and he will guide you on the true path!

OK, Quikstepper, I get that you are up against a bit of a wall here. What I don't understand is why you believe that beating your head against it will hurt the wall more than it will your head. If the entire Bible is flawless and the inspired word of God then everything in the Bible is part of that inspired word. Slavery is endorsed over and over again. Exodus 21:4 and again in verse 6. In Duet. 15:16-17. In Matt. 10:24 and in John 13:16 there are further provisions. Colossians 3:22 says, "Slaves, obey your masters."

Which part of this is man's sick thinking and which part is the word of God? Help me out here because I thought the entire Bible was taught as the Word of God?

Do I think you approve of slavery? No, and my earlier post is clear on that. I don't think anyone here does but that was not the point. The question was whether or not the Bible is a great source for moral direction? On that issue of slavery it is not, and it is not because today most fair-minded people think the entire institution of slavery to be ugly and detestable.

I'm sorry you don't like what the Bible has to say about the subject but I did not write it--your God did.

-Drew

in a work called "book of truth's i have stated elsewhere on here a few weeks ago that quote - "
organized religion is one of the greatest hindrences to mankind. It preaches consolidation but instead divides itself into a myriad of sectarian factions for selfish reason's as pride reign's king amongst both it's follower's and leaders. It preaches healing while it fester's with spiritual disease and corruption within. It preaches giving, sharing, and caring while accumulating vast wealth for itself and selfishly spends and hordes all that it procures on non-spiritual, non - essentials. It is the epitome' of self centeredness masked in the semblence of hope, love, charity, and unity. And god turns away from it all to keep the stench from his nostrils"

you asked "did i know that god was not a religion- this is my answer to all religions.

Though you and other's may believe that your basing your beliefs solely on your personal relationship with jesus, - i know better - i was an insider - thats not true - to base your entire belief in jesus' words you would have to do this - pick up your cross and follow him - i know of no born again christian that does that. 2) live in poverty,3) worship in places where no building or building funds are involved, 4) donot take up tithes, 5) and the list goes on - the biggest being this - living the same life as christ himself - and in like manner - speaking only by your holy spirits words only, not by writing's that are not of god but of man - i also write " never are lies more convincing than when hid among truth's" that is where i stand on the infallability of the "book of men's doing" commonly reffered to as the infallable "word of god."

my sweet morningstar though i know you mean well - there are just "to many" outright and unbelievable things starting in the first book of your bible, and over a seventeen yr. period i could not find as much as one priest,pastor,or other that could give a reasonable explanation to why an almighty god with all knowledge and all power would say and act as he does within the confines of your book - if i was to today - publish a book and write what i see written there i would be laughed out of the business. after reading C.S. lewis and other apologist, the higherarchy of modern defenders of the faith, the only person that came close to answering the question of the word in genisis saying god told adam and eve to go forth and "REPLENISH" the earth was "billy graham" and he got all kinds of hell for believing as i had come to believe about that on my own years before. his/my answer to that was: (not a quote because i dont have his info anymore) That the world was populated before adam and eve and thats why god told them to -

"replenish" - ""re-
populate"" the earth - Now later the NIV version of the bible removed the word RE_POPULATE and to do that is blasphemy at its worst - why? because all christians state that the book is ""infallable"" if something is infallable and is said to be gods own words then man has no right to change the words whether he thinks he does or not due to new discoveries in greek grammer especially after almost 2 thousand yrs later!! Check it out yourself KJV - VS - NIV - how could repopulate stand for 1900+ yrs and then be wrong - the bible is full of mans blunders and dreamings up of ways to enslave the unwary, to put them under condemnation or fear, to lead the sheep to slaughter. all in the guise of love and eternal life. salvation, grace, do not work and cannot work, nor do they exsist - only in the minds of the "believers" no one needs "saved" what they need is to use "there god" given abilities to use common sense - read, rule out what cannot be reasonable, ponder and accept what may be truth - flush the rest and continue on. Only jesus appearing to me personally as he did with doubting thomas could ever change my mind on this - and i assure you that will not happen i dont even know if it hapened the first time for sure. you cant agree on whats what among you, and who cares if one believes in full emrsion baptism or sprinkling. neither one will get you to your heaven, there are no streets of gold, or most other things people picture heaven as - heaven is within - even jesus said that. most take what is plainly stated as truth and turn it in to things to be taken as symbolic and turn symbolic words to truth and no one agrees - the dallas theological "cemetary" with hagan and lindsey,allthe rest is a perfect example of that. and yet you say its a personal relation ship? with which jesus portrayed are you reffering, the catholic jesus? the jewish yeshua?, the moslem jesus, the reformed jesus, for they are all talked of differently. which do i give my faith and obedience to? and why would i do it blindly - jesus stated - count the cost - before you follow and believe - (paraphrase) - all christians that i have ever met have not, they have been fed the 4 spiritual laws the sinners prayer, asking for forgiveness blindly belief in his powers and asking him to dwell or live in their hearts - and then accepting by blind faith that this has taken place - "BLIND"? yes - why - how can you ask a stranger into your heart to guide you and love you and care for you unless you fully know him - trust takes time loving trust takes a real long time - you cannot know jesus in that way simply by reading or having someone state - for god so loved - so ill ask you now - if i came to you and stated i will be your savior and all you have to do is believe in me and accept me as your savior you wont go to hell but if you dont you will - what would your answer be? - jesus can prove himself no more than i - and if you made me your savior you would be just as wrong as you are now - that is ------ unless you tell me you have actually seen and spoken to jesus in the "flesh" and that you will bring him to me personally to meet in the flesh?? for anything less will not suffice.

Now Tribo....Just because God is Not a Religion, doesn't Mean the Bible Isn't the Inspired Word of God.

When Christians meet together in fellowship, they are Lifting Up Jesus, not a Religion.

BUT..we are Still Studying and Learning and Applying God's WHOLE WORD to our lives.
(meaning..we DON'T leave out parts of God's Word, as has been implied by some on this forum).

Uh no...the Bible talks of a peaceful relationship regardless of who is in charge. Jesus even said give Ceasar what's his & give God what's His. There was always a plea to make peace with your enemies...whether they are your captors, slave owners etc...under many times of duress.... Political fallout can be a consequence or a blessing. As when God raised up a people to show Himself as a living God.

Don't confuse human suffering with being God's will. God does allow people to live under their own consequences for being rebellious & disobedient. Again...we are our own worst enemy & God can't be blamed for that. We are clearly warned of the consequences of our actions.

Is that plain enough?