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If you believe it is, why does it guide you? If you think its a load of rubbish, how do you know? Have you read it, if you have, then why did you read it? The Holy Bible is my guidence and source for everything, including morality becuase I am a Christian. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Now Tribo....Just because God is Not a Religion, doesn't Mean the Bible Isn't the Inspired Word of God.
When Christians meet together in fellowship, they are Lifting Up Jesus, not a Religion. BUT..we are Still Studying and Learning and Applying God's WHOLE WORD to our lives. (meaning..we DON'T leave out parts of God's Word, as has been implied by some on this forum). |
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This has been shared many times before.... sharing this once more....... Christianity is NOT about Religion..but about a Lifestyle!! Yes...sadly, Christianity has been labelled and turned into a religion by man......but again, Jesus NEVER meant for man to turn Him into a Religion!!!!!! However..when a man truly becomes born again, he finds out that.... by his believing and accepting Jesus into his heart, he now has a RELATIONSIP with God now. In other words, a born again christian realizes....that he did not join a religion..he joined JESUS!!! And THAT is why JESUS is for the whole wide world. Cause Jesus is NOT about a Religion!! But a Relationship!! That is why Christianity is called a Lifestyle!! Not a Religion!!! AND.....JESUS is the ONLY way , that one can have a RELATIONSHIP and FELLOWSHIP with the Father. But this can only happen thru acepting Jesus . Fellowship and Relationship back with Father God.......this is Something every heart yearns for...whether every heart knows this or not yet......and that yearning in every man's heart, can ONLY be FILLED, by accepting the free gift of grace....the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. Jesus said, " I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Light. NO Man Comes to the Father, but By Me" .  . Amen MorningSong  This was the covenant made with all men and women! Love and Light to you!
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/04/08 01:58 PM
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Now Tribo....Just because God is Not a Religion, doesn't Mean the Bible Isn't the Inspired Word of God. When Christians meet together in fellowship, they are Lifting Up Jesus, not a Religion. BUT..we are Still Studying and Learning and Applying God's WHOLE WORD to our lives. (meaning..we DON'T leave out parts of God's Word, as has been implied by some on this forum). When you assert that the Bible is the inspired word of god, that means that you must believe it is true, and if you believe it is true, that makes it religion. The one true God is not about religion. I agree. It is not about a Book either in my opinion. The book (the Bible) is the foundation of many religions because of a belief that it is the inspired word of god. That belief is religion. Many religions are based on the Bible, even non-Christian religions. But they are all still religions. JB |
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Belushi...... Trying to tell a Born again Chrsitian , that he is NOT sure of his Faith......is as silly as trying to tell a living human being ,that he was never born. Christians have been born again in their spirits. That's WHY......ONCE that born again experience takes place,that a christian KNOWS that he KNOWS that he KNOWS that He KNOWS........that he is born again!!!! Just like a babe being born into the physical world is real in his birth experience .... so also is the christian's birth experience , in the spirit. That is why this FAITH message is so hard for the world to understand.....cause the world has not experiencn=ed that born again experience... to know what we christians are talking about. Bur on day you will know too, Belushi.... You put this so well, so clear, the truth!
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Edited by
MorningSong
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God is NOT about Religion!!! I think that is what Tribo just said. He said: "To me if he exists in a way that many think of him/her - it is a creative force only - not wanting to or needing to be worshiped or thought highly of in any way - he does not have an ego -" And I agree. God is not about religion at all. God is not about any religion. BUT when you start saying: "The Bible says....."Every Knee Shall Bow And Every Tongue Confess That Jesus Christ is Lord" then you are talking about "religion." THAT is Christianity. THAT is religion. But God is not about religion. No Jeannie....and please listen carefully now ..... Christianity may have been always LABELLED by man as a Religion....but that was NOT God's Intent ,that Jesus be LABELLED and TURNED into a Religion. Man did that!!! But that does NOT change the fact, that FOR a christian, CHRISTIANITY is NOT about Religion, but about RELATIONSHIP!! NOW Jeannie...IF it makes you and others FEEL better, to say Christianity is a Reigion..FINE!! Go right ahead!!! BUT..... in the heart of a CHRISTIAN, CHRISTIANITY is about RELATIONSHIP WITH ABBA FATHER THRU CHRIST JESUS...and NOT about RELIGION at All !!!!!! (Hope this FINALLY sinks in now)   And I will not repeat myself anymore on Christianity not being about religion....so please take the time to read all the former posts here before replying.....cause this subject of Jesus NOT being a religion, has been covered many times now. AND btw Jeannie...Christians STUDY and APPLY the WHOLE BIBLE(not just parts) ...Which is the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD. Also.... the Word of God Must Be RIGHTLY DIVIVED, and NOT Taken Out of CONTEXT!! Once LAST time... Christianity is about RELATIONSHIP, NOT RELIGION.......and The Bible is the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD!!!!!!!!!
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Now Tribo....Just because God is Not a Religion, doesn't Mean the Bible Isn't the Inspired Word of God. When Christians meet together in fellowship, they are Lifting Up Jesus, not a Religion. BUT..we are Still Studying and Learning and Applying God's WHOLE WORD to our lives. (meaning..we DON'T leave out parts of God's Word, as has been implied by some on this forum). When you assert that the Bible is the inspired word of god, that means that you must believe it is true, and if you believe it is true, that makes it religion. The one true God is not about religion. I agree. It is not about a Book either in my opinion. The book (the Bible) is the foundation of many religions because of a belief that it is the inspired word of god. That belief is religion. JB To me JB that is the reason behind the different denominations. Different people interpret the bible differently. Good or bad, correct or incorrect, these different interpretations are what forms the many denominations of Christianity. The all have the same core though and that is, through Jesus Christ we can all find salvation!
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Edited by
Quikstepper
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Wed 06/04/08 02:17 PM
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From Quikstepper---"My point EXACTLY. The carnal mind can't possibly understand. Don't blame God for slavery & those sort of things. That was left up to man's own imaginations." "Slavery & those sorts of things?" The Bible DOES endorse slavery as my earlier post on this thread points out along with several bible references. The bible absolutely lays out the rules for owning slaves, the length of time a Hebrew slave can be owned versus and pagan slave. Some of the best apologists for Christianity in this forum stayed clear away from the subject of slavery--because they know what the bible says. Please, if you would, explain why we should not blame God for slavery when it is endorsed in the very word of God? -Drew No...the Bible does not endorse slavery. You are confusing man's corrupt imaginations with God..AGAIN! I find it so ironic that some here would talk about killing "innocent" women & children & think nothing of the babies being killed by abortionists. What about the pagan rituals that sacrficed their children to false gods? If you can't see that that is the same thing as abortion then you are being a hypocrite. No one thinks that's why God had them killed off they were so corrupted by their own lusts, their consciences seared. God knows who would come to Him & who would not & it's not up to any mere human to question the God of creation. God raised a nation who would follow Him so all the world would know who the true & LIVING God is. Yet you still want to bite the very hand that has protected you all your life. How ungrateful. You are probly some of the same that curse anything good about our nation & its values. You can't see that it's your own corrupt thinking that is destructive. Now that's beyond sad...it's pathetic. So please don't question what God does because He does things FOR our good. OK, Quikstepper, I get that you are up against a bit of a wall here. What I don't understand is why you believe that beating your head against it will hurt the wall more than it will your head. If the entire Bible is flawless and the inspired word of God then everything in the Bible is part of that inspired word. Slavery is endorsed over and over again. Exodus 21:4 and again in verse 6. In Duet. 15:16-17. In Matt. 10:24 and in John 13:16 there are further provisions. Colossians 3:22 says, "Slaves, obey your masters." Which part of this is man's sick thinking and which part is the word of God? Help me out here because I thought the entire Bible was taught as the Word of God? Do I think you approve of slavery? No, and my earlier post is clear on that. I don't think anyone here does but that was not the point. The question was whether or not the Bible is a great source for moral direction? On that issue of slavery it is not, and it is not because today most fair-minded people think the entire institution of slavery to be ugly and detestable. I'm sorry you don't like what the Bible has to say about the subject but I did not write it--your God did. -Drew Uh no...the Bible talks of a peaceful relationship regardless of who is in charge. Jesus even said give Ceasar what's his & give God what's His. There was always a plea to make peace with your enemies...whether they are your captors, slave owners etc...under many times of duress.... Political fallout can be a consequence or a blessing. As when God raised up a people to show Himself as a living God. Don't confuse human suffering with being God's will. God does allow people to live under their own consequences for being rebellious & disobedient. Again...we are our own worst enemy & God can't be blamed for that. We are clearly warned of the consequences of our actions. Is that plain enough? |
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Now Tribo....Just because God is Not a Religion, doesn't Mean the Bible Isn't the Inspired Word of God. When Christians meet together in fellowship, they are Lifting Up Jesus, not a Religion. BUT..we are Still Studying and Learning and Applying God's WHOLE WORD to our lives. (meaning..we DON'T leave out parts of God's Word, as has been implied by some on this forum). When you assert that the Bible is the inspired word of god, that means that you must believe it is true, and if you believe it is true, that makes it religion. The one true God is not about religion. I agree. It is not about a Book either in my opinion. The book (the Bible) is the foundation of many religions because of a belief that it is the inspired word of god. That belief is religion. Many religions are based on the Bible, even non-Christian religions. But they are all still religions. JB Well it's only a "religion" to those who can't get past the law. Christ came to fulfill the law. that's alot more than "religion." |
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You know as a Christian, I am so sick and tired of listening to "bible beaters" telling me that the bible is the end all be all of religous matters. Didn't any of you read it, or have you just been highlighting the verses your minister used on Sunday?
Look, it is a collection of short stories and oral traditions that has been passed down rewritten no less than four times (depending on version) and is intended to tell a story. The point of the thing is to tell you to walk humbly in life, spread your message (of love), treat others well, give away your excess to those less fortunate and treat your creator with the respect He/She deserves. That's it. It is not a moral compass, it doesn't direct you to start arguements about it's content. It doesn't tell you to force it down the throats of those who don't want it. It doesn't even tell you that other religous beliefs are wrong. It says that "none get to the father except through me." That doesn't mean that you have to believe Jesus walked the earth, that means if you follow what he taught (Love God, Love your neighbor as yourself) then you will find the inner peace and rested soul that will allow you to deal with eternity. The Bible and it's study is not a religion, anymore than studying a math text in college would be considered religous studies. Religion is when you put forth a set of guidelines in how you worship a god, what rituals it requires, what sacrifices must be made. Studying a book to learn the wisdom of whats inside (and there's some gold in that book) does not constitute religion. For example, I don't remember reading anywhere in the bible that the pope should wear a funny hat, but he does. Why, it's part of his religion. |
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Now Tribo....Just because God is Not a Religion, doesn't Mean the Bible Isn't the Inspired Word of God. When Christians meet together in fellowship, they are Lifting Up Jesus, not a Religion. BUT..we are Still Studying and Learning and Applying God's WHOLE WORD to our lives. (meaning..we DON'T leave out parts of God's Word, as has been implied by some on this forum). When you assert that the Bible is the inspired word of god, that means that you must believe it is true, and if you believe it is true, that makes it religion. The one true God is not about religion. I agree. It is not about a Book either in my opinion. The book (the Bible) is the foundation of many religions because of a belief that it is the inspired word of god. That belief is religion. Many religions are based on the Bible, even non-Christian religions. But they are all still religions. JB Jeannie...only have a moment here ..have to be elsewhere tonight. Jeannie....NOT Only is the Bible the God Inspired WORD of God... But ALSO... GOD IS THE WORD. Go to the book of John....read chapter one first...then read the whole book. Be Blessed Now..... |
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From Quikstepper---"My point EXACTLY. The carnal mind can't possibly understand. Don't blame God for slavery & those sort of things. That was left up to man's own imaginations." "Slavery & those sorts of things?" The Bible DOES endorse slavery as my earlier post on this thread points out along with several bible references. The bible absolutely lays out the rules for owning slaves, the length of time a Hebrew slave can be owned versus and pagan slave. Some of the best apologists for Christianity in this forum stayed clear away from the subject of slavery--because they know what the bible says. Please, if you would, explain why we should not blame God for slavery when it is endorsed in the very word of God? -Drew No...the Bible does not endorse slavery. You are confusing man's corrupt imaginations with God..AGAIN! I find it so ironic that some here would talk about killing "innocent" women & children & think nothing of the babies being killed by abortionists. What about the pagan rituals that sacrficed their children to false gods? If you can't see that that is the same thing as abortion then you are being a hypocrite. No one thinks that's why God had them killed off they were so corrupted by their own lusts, their consciences seared. God knows who would come to Him & who would not & it's not up to any mere human to question the God of creation. God raised a nation who would follow Him so all the world would know who the true & LIVING God is. Yet you still want to bite the very hand that has protected you all your life. How ungrateful. You are probly some of the same that curse anything good about our nation & its values. You can't see that it's your own corrupt thinking that is destructive. Now that's beyond sad...it's pathetic. So please don't question what God does because He does things FOR our good. OK, Quikstepper, I get that you are up against a bit of a wall here. What I don't understand is why you believe that beating your head against it will hurt the wall more than it will your head. If the entire Bible is flawless and the inspired word of God then everything in the Bible is part of that inspired word. Slavery is endorsed over and over again. Exodus 21:4 and again in verse 6. In Duet. 15:16-17. In Matt. 10:24 and in John 13:16 there are further provisions. Colossians 3:22 says, "Slaves, obey your masters." Which part of this is man's sick thinking and which part is the word of God? Help me out here because I thought the entire Bible was taught as the Word of God? Do I think you approve of slavery? No, and my earlier post is clear on that. I don't think anyone here does but that was not the point. The question was whether or not the Bible is a great source for moral direction? On that issue of slavery it is not, and it is not because today most fair-minded people think the entire institution of slavery to be ugly and detestable. I'm sorry you don't like what the Bible has to say about the subject but I did not write it--your God did. -Drew Uh no...the Bible talks of a peaceful relationship regardless of who is in charge. Jesus even said give Ceasar what's his & give God what's His. There was always a plea to make peace with your enemies...whether they are your captors, slave owners etc...under many times of duress.... Political fallout can be a consequence or a blessing. As when God raised up a people to show Himself as a living God. Don't confuse human suffering with being God's will. God does allow people to live under their own consequences for being rebellious & disobedient. Again...we are our own worst enemy & God can't be blamed for that. We are clearly warned of the consequences of our actions. Is that plain enough? Yes, Quikstepper, it is plain indeed. I could not help but note that at least you've dropped your argument present in your previous responses that insisted that the Bible did not authorize slavery--as it clearly does. Now you've switched arguments and begun to suggest that we should make peace with our enemies (a terribly immoral proposition in its own right) no matter who is in charge--even if they are our captors. Are you kidding? Do you think that slaves should have made peace with their captors while their captors were treating them like so much trash? Tell me please that you don't really believe that. Rendering to Caesar what is Caesars was referring to following societal laws, paying taxes and the like. It was not, nor can it be used to justify capturing people and treating them poorly. What is plain to anyone who reads the bible is that it is a text that allows for and in no way prohibits owning slaves. That we have left that practice behind (not everyone in the world has--far from it) is a great advancement in human compassion, respect, and dignity. And it does so not by embracing the bible but by moving past it--at least as it pertains to this issue. -Drew |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/04/08 07:06 PM
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Jeannie...only have a moment here ..have to be elsewhere tonight. Jeannie....NOT Only is the Bible the God Inspired WORD of God... But ALSO... GOD IS THE WORD. Go to the book of John....read chapter one first...then read the whole book. Be Blessed Now.....heart Clearly you are using the term "the Word" in two completely different contexts. If God is "THE WORD" And the Bible is "THE WORD" of God, then clearly these are two different things or else you are saying that God is the Bible. I can see why people confuse God with their religion and their Bible with these kinds of statements. But then you turn around and try to separate the religion from the God. It can't be done. JB |
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What a lot of people don't realize is that we are all owned by the corporation and we are all legally slaves according to them. You even have a number. It is your social security number. I decided I did not want that number anymore and that I didn't care about getting any social security from the government when I get old and I tried to give them back the number and close my account but the said I could not do that. I even closed a bank account once and they continued to keep my bank account number in their records and keep all records pertaining to me in their database. You are a slave and they have paper work on you.  Get used to it. I am so slow to respond. Forgive me.  Anyhow, that's what I was alluding to. Is it really possible not to be a slave at all. Billionares are slaves to their billions. Go figure. |
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I could not help but note that at least you've dropped your argument present in your previous responses that insisted that the Bible did not authorize slavery--as it clearly does. Now you've switched arguments and begun to suggest that we should make peace with our enemies (a terribly immoral proposition in its own right) no matter who is in charge--even if they are our captors. Standard christian response. Get proved wrong by using their own "word" then change the subject. .. and I think the Stockholm Syndrome is the description of this .... make peace with our enemies (a terribly immoral proposition in its own right) no matter who is in charge--even if they are our captors. |
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They say most people are hypocrites
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 06/04/08 09:10 PM
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I could not help but note that at least you've dropped your argument present in your previous responses that insisted that the Bible did not authorize slavery--as it clearly does. Now you've switched arguments and begun to suggest that we should make peace with our enemies (a terribly immoral proposition in its own right) no matter who is in charge--even if they are our captors. Standard christian response. Get proved wrong by using their own "word" then change the subject. .. and I think the Stockholm Syndrome is the description of this .... make peace with our enemies (a terribly immoral proposition in its own right) no matter who is in charge--even if they are our captors. Drew???!!! Quickstepper did NOT change her argument .....sorry you just misread her once more.... what she just shared here with you. Drew..... NOWHERE in the bible does it say that God AUTHORIZED Slavery. HOWEVER, God ALLOWED man to have FREE WILL ....to make their own CHOICES...including having slaves. But God did NOT AUTHORIZE Slavery. |
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I could not help but note that at least you've dropped your argument present in your previous responses that insisted that the Bible did not authorize slavery--as it clearly does. Now you've switched arguments and begun to suggest that we should make peace with our enemies (a terribly immoral proposition in its own right) no matter who is in charge--even if they are our captors. Standard christian response. Get proved wrong by using their own "word" then change the subject. .. and I think the Stockholm Syndrome is the description of this .... make peace with our enemies (a terribly immoral proposition in its own right) no matter who is in charge--even if they are our captors. Drew???!!! NO.....Quickstepper did NOT change her argument .....you just misread her once more.... what she just shared here with you. Drew..... NOWHERE in the bible does it say that God AUTHORIZED Slavery. HOWEVER, God ALLOWED man to have FREE WILL ....to make their own CHOICES...including having slaves. But God did NOT AUTHORIZE Slavery. Exodus 21:4 and again in verse 6. In Duet. 15:16-17. In Matt. 10:24 and in John 13:16 there are further provisions. Colossians 3:22 says, "Slaves, obey your masters." and what about these then? |
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If you believe it is, why does it guide you? If you think its a load of rubbish, how do you know? Have you read it, if you have, then why did you read it? a better question would be: is man or woman by himself or herself enough to render valid moral judgments? |
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I could not help but note that at least you've dropped your argument present in your previous responses that insisted that the Bible did not authorize slavery--as it clearly does. Now you've switched arguments and begun to suggest that we should make peace with our enemies (a terribly immoral proposition in its own right) no matter who is in charge--even if they are our captors. Standard christian response. Get proved wrong by using their own "word" then change the subject. .. and I think the Stockholm Syndrome is the description of this .... make peace with our enemies (a terribly immoral proposition in its own right) no matter who is in charge--even if they are our captors. Drew???!!! NO.....Quickstepper did NOT change her argument .....you just misread her once more.... what she just shared here with you. Drew..... NOWHERE in the bible does it say that God AUTHORIZED Slavery. HOWEVER, God ALLOWED man to have FREE WILL ....to make their own CHOICES...including having slaves. But God did NOT AUTHORIZE Slavery. Exodus 21:4 and again in verse 6. In Duet. 15:16-17. In Matt. 10:24 and in John 13:16 there are further provisions. Colossians 3:22 says, "Slaves, obey your masters." and what about these then? You are kidding ..right Belushi ? God did Not AUTHORIZE Slavery...however..God KNEW man was going to do his OWN thang and have slaves anyway....so God told how to live PEACEFULLY in the situation. |
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