Topic: I HAVE A 13 YR. OLD AND NEED HELP
docburneraz's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:21 AM
Like your nasty ass should be allowed to breed in the first place

docburneraz's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:22 AM
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh devil devil devil devil devil devil devil

GREATGUY's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:24 AM
I raised 4 children and two of them acted out the very same way. When things got out of control, I had the worst one arrested and advised I wouldn't take him back unless the court ordered him to have pschological help. They did and he was confined for a while but he was changed after that and now many years later he is a very successful business man with a wonderful wife and children.

It's called tough love. They want to see how far the envelope can be pushed. If it has reached a point where they cannot show you respect then they have no respect for themselves. When this happens, you have to reboot the computer so to speak and get the hierachy re stabilized. It is rotten so you think, but it shows them they are not in control and you are. You would be amazed how well it works, it just takes you to reach a point where you demand respect, not ask for it.

Cutiepieforyou's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:25 AM

Like your nasty ass should be allowed to breed in the first place

noway noway noway

docburneraz's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:26 AM
someone had ta say it. **** political correctnessdrinker

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Thu 05/15/08 10:27 AM

someone had ta say it. **** political correctnessdrinker

Former Marine acting like that? theres alot of respect there...

jedigirl's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:27 AM

someone had ta say it. **** political correctnessdrinker

:angry: :angry:

docburneraz's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:28 AM
I have no respect for the clueless:wink:

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Thu 05/15/08 10:29 AM

I have no respect for the clueless:wink:

what year mos and rank?

robert1652's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:29 AM









I HAVE A 13 YR OLD GIRL THAT IS OUT OF CONTROL. SHE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FROM SCHOOL SEVERAL TIMES THIS YEAR, BEEN LOCKED UP IN JUVY OVERNIGHT, AND CONSTANTLY CUSSES ME AND HER MAMAW OUT. I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING I KNOW OF TO GET HER TO GET CONTROL OF HER ACTIONS. SHE IS CURRENTLY ON MEDICATION FOR HER ANGER ISSUES AND SHE IS ON PROBATION. WHAT CAN A SINGLE MOTHER OF 3 DO? I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON IN HER MIND. SHE WONT TALK TO ME AND I AM DEVASTATED ABOUT ALL THIS.

I DONT WANT HER BROTHERS TO END UP LIKE THE WAY SHE IS RIGHT NOW. I TELL MY SONS NOT TO ACT LIKE THEIR SISTER BUT HER TWIN BROTHER IS STARTING TO ACT OUT. I CAUGHT HIM SMOKING CIGS YESTERDAY AND I REALLY BLEW A FUSE THEN.

CAN ANYONE GIVE ME SOME SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT I SHOULD DO? I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

These issues are most of the time dealt with therapy sessions. There are many places that they will take you on and subject to your ability to pay wil charge a fee but the agreements are that normally if you miss 2 sessions they will dismiss you. Bear that in mind
As for the issues the anger may be about a missing parent who possibly left abruptly never to return or death of a parent which causes the anxiety.
It may also be due to ADHT which needs expeert for diagnosys.

So 1st step seek counceling and then try to make sure it is not HDT or ADHT



im sorry but all that add adhd abde efgh is all horse crap. adhd is a kid raised by a parent who spoils their kid and lets them get away with way to much, beat her ass, ull see what happens

People like you make this world a very colourful place to live
I guess your colour is dark brown.laugh laugh laugh laugh


i prefer a dark blue, maybe black... but its true, and i bet the parents of kids who dont act out would agree. its a sad but true fact that kids now adays act as if they themselves are the parents


refering to violence as a problem solving technique for a child by a police officer!! makes me ill...sick sick



its something i agree with totally tho. kids should understand they are not the parents andare not in charge. thats my POV. everyone has a diff. one but thats mine

I guess thats why you are a police officer and you handle things they way you see it fit as per your training. I have no problem accepting that the society requires individuals like you . There is no doubt. But we don't use a sledge hammer to crack a nut. Unfortunately the system does and you also instead of being part of a solution become part of a problem:cry:


my biggest point on the whole matter i guess is this....ill lay it out (not trying to make excuses but idk...) i was raised by the iron fist of my parents, grew up on honorroll, joined the USMC, and am now already a cop and almost finished college. my sister on the other hand was almost 18, was raised getting what she wants when she wants it and she has been arrested 4 times and got pregnant once then last december was found ODed on heroin. so i guess my outlook on it is that if you stop them by changing to the way i grew up, we wont lose another precious child to ways we lost my sister...


It is so regrettable that you have endured such trauma. I only can sympathize with you. I also admire you for having come through the ranks and made it to become an absolute essential part of our society. I know I have had a tough childhood but not as drastic as yours so I may not be able to imagine the level of pain. However I know one thing. I don't pass the hurt to others . I don't for one minute suggest that you do, but your writing provides me enough to feel that you may. I strongly urge you that to deal with every day stresses to use the services of a therapist and before you reject the matter out of hand I have no problem to say that I do and I believe I am a better person than I used to be.

robert1652's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:30 AM

I raised 4 children and two of them acted out the very same way. When things got out of control, I had the worst one arrested and advised I wouldn't take him back unless the court ordered him to have pschological help. They did and he was confined for a while but he was changed after that and now many years later he is a very successful business man with a wonderful wife and children.

It's called tough love. They want to see how far the envelope can be pushed. If it has reached a point where they cannot show you respect then they have no respect for themselves. When this happens, you have to reboot the computer so to speak and get the hierachy re stabilized. It is rotten so you think, but it shows them they are not in control and you are. You would be amazed how well it works, it just takes you to reach a point where you demand respect, not ask for it.

Amen

jedigirl's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:30 AM









I HAVE A 13 YR OLD GIRL THAT IS OUT OF CONTROL. SHE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FROM SCHOOL SEVERAL TIMES THIS YEAR, BEEN LOCKED UP IN JUVY OVERNIGHT, AND CONSTANTLY CUSSES ME AND HER MAMAW OUT. I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING I KNOW OF TO GET HER TO GET CONTROL OF HER ACTIONS. SHE IS CURRENTLY ON MEDICATION FOR HER ANGER ISSUES AND SHE IS ON PROBATION. WHAT CAN A SINGLE MOTHER OF 3 DO? I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON IN HER MIND. SHE WONT TALK TO ME AND I AM DEVASTATED ABOUT ALL THIS.

I DONT WANT HER BROTHERS TO END UP LIKE THE WAY SHE IS RIGHT NOW. I TELL MY SONS NOT TO ACT LIKE THEIR SISTER BUT HER TWIN BROTHER IS STARTING TO ACT OUT. I CAUGHT HIM SMOKING CIGS YESTERDAY AND I REALLY BLEW A FUSE THEN.

CAN ANYONE GIVE ME SOME SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT I SHOULD DO? I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

These issues are most of the time dealt with therapy sessions. There are many places that they will take you on and subject to your ability to pay wil charge a fee but the agreements are that normally if you miss 2 sessions they will dismiss you. Bear that in mind
As for the issues the anger may be about a missing parent who possibly left abruptly never to return or death of a parent which causes the anxiety.
It may also be due to ADHT which needs expeert for diagnosys.

So 1st step seek counceling and then try to make sure it is not HDT or ADHT



im sorry but all that add adhd abde efgh is all horse crap. adhd is a kid raised by a parent who spoils their kid and lets them get away with way to much, beat her ass, ull see what happens

People like you make this world a very colourful place to live
I guess your colour is dark brown.laugh laugh laugh laugh


i prefer a dark blue, maybe black... but its true, and i bet the parents of kids who dont act out would agree. its a sad but true fact that kids now adays act as if they themselves are the parents


refering to violence as a problem solving technique for a child by a police officer!! makes me ill...sick sick



its something i agree with totally tho. kids should understand they are not the parents andare not in charge. thats my POV. everyone has a diff. one but thats mine

I guess thats why you are a police officer and you handle things they way you see it fit as per your training. I have no problem accepting that the society requires individuals like you . There is no doubt. But we don't use a sledge hammer to crack a nut. Unfortunately the system does and you also instead of being part of a solution become part of a problem:cry:


my biggest point on the whole matter i guess is this....ill lay it out (not trying to make excuses but idk...) i was raised by the iron fist of my parents, grew up on honorroll, joined the USMC, and am now already a cop and almost finished college. my sister on the other hand was almost 18, was raised getting what she wants when she wants it and she has been arrested 4 times and got pregnant once then last december was found ODed on heroin. so i guess my outlook on it is that if you stop them by changing to the way i grew up, we wont lose another precious child to ways we lost my sister...




Warm family relationships can help protect children from acting violently, abusing alcohol and other drugs, or engaging in other high-risk behaviors. But family members—even in the most loving families—get angry at one another from time to time. When families communicate well and work cooperatively, anger can be resolved without a problem. Handled poorly, however, anger gets in the way of good communication between parent and child. Anger without control can sometimes be dangerous and may even become violent.

Many adults are not good at managing anger, and expressing this emotion in a healthy way. Some adults see anger as an emotion that should be suppressed, because it leads to trouble. Some grew up in families in which anger generally led to explosive behavior and even violence. Others were taught that it is not “nice” to be angry. It’s important that parents know how to manage anger successfully in family life, at work, and in the community. And that same knowledge needs to be shared with children, so that they learn this important skill. All should be aware of anger. Parants, teachers, police officers...

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Thu 05/15/08 10:31 AM










I HAVE A 13 YR OLD GIRL THAT IS OUT OF CONTROL. SHE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FROM SCHOOL SEVERAL TIMES THIS YEAR, BEEN LOCKED UP IN JUVY OVERNIGHT, AND CONSTANTLY CUSSES ME AND HER MAMAW OUT. I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING I KNOW OF TO GET HER TO GET CONTROL OF HER ACTIONS. SHE IS CURRENTLY ON MEDICATION FOR HER ANGER ISSUES AND SHE IS ON PROBATION. WHAT CAN A SINGLE MOTHER OF 3 DO? I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON IN HER MIND. SHE WONT TALK TO ME AND I AM DEVASTATED ABOUT ALL THIS.

I DONT WANT HER BROTHERS TO END UP LIKE THE WAY SHE IS RIGHT NOW. I TELL MY SONS NOT TO ACT LIKE THEIR SISTER BUT HER TWIN BROTHER IS STARTING TO ACT OUT. I CAUGHT HIM SMOKING CIGS YESTERDAY AND I REALLY BLEW A FUSE THEN.

CAN ANYONE GIVE ME SOME SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT I SHOULD DO? I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

These issues are most of the time dealt with therapy sessions. There are many places that they will take you on and subject to your ability to pay wil charge a fee but the agreements are that normally if you miss 2 sessions they will dismiss you. Bear that in mind
As for the issues the anger may be about a missing parent who possibly left abruptly never to return or death of a parent which causes the anxiety.
It may also be due to ADHT which needs expeert for diagnosys.

So 1st step seek counceling and then try to make sure it is not HDT or ADHT



im sorry but all that add adhd abde efgh is all horse crap. adhd is a kid raised by a parent who spoils their kid and lets them get away with way to much, beat her ass, ull see what happens

People like you make this world a very colourful place to live
I guess your colour is dark brown.laugh laugh laugh laugh


i prefer a dark blue, maybe black... but its true, and i bet the parents of kids who dont act out would agree. its a sad but true fact that kids now adays act as if they themselves are the parents


refering to violence as a problem solving technique for a child by a police officer!! makes me ill...sick sick



its something i agree with totally tho. kids should understand they are not the parents andare not in charge. thats my POV. everyone has a diff. one but thats mine

I guess thats why you are a police officer and you handle things they way you see it fit as per your training. I have no problem accepting that the society requires individuals like you . There is no doubt. But we don't use a sledge hammer to crack a nut. Unfortunately the system does and you also instead of being part of a solution become part of a problem:cry:


my biggest point on the whole matter i guess is this....ill lay it out (not trying to make excuses but idk...) i was raised by the iron fist of my parents, grew up on honorroll, joined the USMC, and am now already a cop and almost finished college. my sister on the other hand was almost 18, was raised getting what she wants when she wants it and she has been arrested 4 times and got pregnant once then last december was found ODed on heroin. so i guess my outlook on it is that if you stop them by changing to the way i grew up, we wont lose another precious child to ways we lost my sister...


It is so regrettable that you have endured such trauma. I only can sympathize with you. I also admire you for having come through the ranks and made it to become an absolute essential part of our society. I know I have had a tough childhood but not as drastic as yours so I may not be able to imagine the level of pain. However I know one thing. I don't pass the hurt to others . I don't for one minute suggest that you do, but your writing provides me enough to feel that you may. I strongly urge you that to deal with every day stresses to use the services of a therapist and before you reject the matter out of hand I have no problem to say that I do and I believe I am a better person than I used to be.



see tho, i dont agree with violence in any way. im not saying beat the child with a baseball bat or anything, im saying a simple spanking to remind the child who the mother is, i dont go around hitting people for no reason or anything like that..

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Thu 05/15/08 10:33 AM
it may have come off very abrasive the way i put it but i dont agree with child abuse or anything of the such. but a good smack on the bottom to help remind the child is all i am saying. and after that i was just stating that i dont agree with using add or adhd as an excuse for a childs behavior

robert1652's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:36 AM

I have no respect for the clueless:wink:

I appreciate your sentiment however regardless we should lead by example and not loose respect . The power of reason is far greater than negative replies.Police officers whether we like them or not are essential part of the society, if we need to go about our business in relative safety. Only the approach is incorrect, For example UK police does not carry guns as a matter of principle and we don't have dead cops all over the place. I hope I am demonstrating the point. I am sure you will agree:smile:

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Thu 05/15/08 10:38 AM
Well, i have to add my 2 cents. bigsmile I have a 13 year right now and fortunately she is not rebelling, yet. But I have to say being a crazy kid it started because of my surroundings. There are so many reasons that she could be acting out. OBVIOUSLY, she's just not rebelling. There is something that has triggered this reaction. You don't go to juvy just becuase your pissed about JR. High crap. Something is eating her up inside. I understand she can't talk to you but she NEEDS to. She needs to talk and you need to LISTEN. Not blow a fuse but really talk about why it is you are concerned about. I know my mom never talked to me. She just let me do my thing because it was easier (not that my mom's actions are your's, please don't think that) but what I needed was love and attention. Your daughter is not me but what we have in common is that she needs to know what ever she does, you will never stop loving her. I would strongly suggest counceling and I know this will sound corny but pray. Ask the Lord to take her into his arms and comfort her when you can't, when she won't open up to you. And she needs to find someone she can open up to and this might step on your toes but from my experience with the mistakes I've made with my own 13 year old. Own up to all and everything you have done wrong as a parent. We are all fumbling and stumbling through parenthood. There are no instructions so be honest. You are a young single mother like me and you have made some mistakes. Own up to them to your daughter and apologize and try to make them right. i'm all for spanking a child when it's necessary but no amount of beating is going to make her hurt less inside. :)hope some of this helps.


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Thu 05/15/08 10:38 AM


I have no respect for the clueless:wink:

I appreciate your sentiment however regardless we should lead by example and not loose respect . The power of reason is far greater than negative replies.Police officers whether we like them or not are essential part of the society, if we need to go about our business in relative safety. Only the approach is incorrect, For example UK police does not carry guns as a matter of principle and we don't have dead cops all over the place. I hope I am demonstrating the point. I am sure you will agree:smile:


the UK police not carrying guns is actually no longer true. due to the world we live in today and the recent attacks, they now carry. its been maybe 1-2 years since that began

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Thu 05/15/08 10:43 AM











I HAVE A 13 YR OLD GIRL THAT IS OUT OF CONTROL. SHE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FROM SCHOOL SEVERAL TIMES THIS YEAR, BEEN LOCKED UP IN JUVY OVERNIGHT, AND CONSTANTLY CUSSES ME AND HER MAMAW OUT. I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING I KNOW OF TO GET HER TO GET CONTROL OF HER ACTIONS. SHE IS CURRENTLY ON MEDICATION FOR HER ANGER ISSUES AND SHE IS ON PROBATION. WHAT CAN A SINGLE MOTHER OF 3 DO? I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON IN HER MIND. SHE WONT TALK TO ME AND I AM DEVASTATED ABOUT ALL THIS.

I DONT WANT HER BROTHERS TO END UP LIKE THE WAY SHE IS RIGHT NOW. I TELL MY SONS NOT TO ACT LIKE THEIR SISTER BUT HER TWIN BROTHER IS STARTING TO ACT OUT. I CAUGHT HIM SMOKING CIGS YESTERDAY AND I REALLY BLEW A FUSE THEN.

CAN ANYONE GIVE ME SOME SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT I SHOULD DO? I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

These issues are most of the time dealt with therapy sessions. There are many places that they will take you on and subject to your ability to pay wil charge a fee but the agreements are that normally if you miss 2 sessions they will dismiss you. Bear that in mind
As for the issues the anger may be about a missing parent who possibly left abruptly never to return or death of a parent which causes the anxiety.
It may also be due to ADHT which needs expeert for diagnosys.

So 1st step seek counceling and then try to make sure it is not HDT or ADHT



im sorry but all that add adhd abde efgh is all horse crap. adhd is a kid raised by a parent who spoils their kid and lets them get away with way to much, beat her ass, ull see what happens

People like you make this world a very colourful place to live
I guess your colour is dark brown.laugh laugh laugh laugh


i prefer a dark blue, maybe black... but its true, and i bet the parents of kids who dont act out would agree. its a sad but true fact that kids now adays act as if they themselves are the parents


refering to violence as a problem solving technique for a child by a police officer!! makes me ill...sick sick



its something i agree with totally tho. kids should understand they are not the parents andare not in charge. thats my POV. everyone has a diff. one but thats mine

I guess thats why you are a police officer and you handle things they way you see it fit as per your training. I have no problem accepting that the society requires individuals like you . There is no doubt. But we don't use a sledge hammer to crack a nut. Unfortunately the system does and you also instead of being part of a solution become part of a problem:cry:


my biggest point on the whole matter i guess is this....ill lay it out (not trying to make excuses but idk...) i was raised by the iron fist of my parents, grew up on honorroll, joined the USMC, and am now already a cop and almost finished college. my sister on the other hand was almost 18, was raised getting what she wants when she wants it and she has been arrested 4 times and got pregnant once then last december was found ODed on heroin. so i guess my outlook on it is that if you stop them by changing to the way i grew up, we wont lose another precious child to ways we lost my sister...


It is so regrettable that you have endured such trauma. I only can sympathize with you. I also admire you for having come through the ranks and made it to become an absolute essential part of our society. I know I have had a tough childhood but not as drastic as yours so I may not be able to imagine the level of pain. However I know one thing. I don't pass the hurt to others . I don't for one minute suggest that you do, but your writing provides me enough to feel that you may. I strongly urge you that to deal with every day stresses to use the services of a therapist and before you reject the matter out of hand I have no problem to say that I do and I believe I am a better person than I used to be.



see tho, i dont agree with violence in any way. im not saying beat the child with a baseball bat or anything, im saying a simple spanking to remind the child who the mother is, i dont go around hitting people for no reason or anything like that..


there is a problem with spanking let me show you
I am the child I do something. I fear spanking. If I don't get spanking I have no idea how much it would hurt
Are you with me?

Then we start spanking. The child experiences that, and thinks "Oh is that what it was?" so he has no fear so you continue. The punishment has lost its effect. Then you take it one notch up then what happens child gets used to higher level of pain. Gradually the level gets so high it becomes abuse. Yet if the treat was left there with the unknown undiscovered it would have had a better chance of success.

docburneraz's photo
Thu 05/15/08 10:45 AM


I have no respect for the clueless:wink:

what year mos and rank?
MOS 0385 H & S 3/7 80-83

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Thu 05/15/08 10:45 AM












I HAVE A 13 YR OLD GIRL THAT IS OUT OF CONTROL. SHE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FROM SCHOOL SEVERAL TIMES THIS YEAR, BEEN LOCKED UP IN JUVY OVERNIGHT, AND CONSTANTLY CUSSES ME AND HER MAMAW OUT. I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING I KNOW OF TO GET HER TO GET CONTROL OF HER ACTIONS. SHE IS CURRENTLY ON MEDICATION FOR HER ANGER ISSUES AND SHE IS ON PROBATION. WHAT CAN A SINGLE MOTHER OF 3 DO? I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON IN HER MIND. SHE WONT TALK TO ME AND I AM DEVASTATED ABOUT ALL THIS.

I DONT WANT HER BROTHERS TO END UP LIKE THE WAY SHE IS RIGHT NOW. I TELL MY SONS NOT TO ACT LIKE THEIR SISTER BUT HER TWIN BROTHER IS STARTING TO ACT OUT. I CAUGHT HIM SMOKING CIGS YESTERDAY AND I REALLY BLEW A FUSE THEN.

CAN ANYONE GIVE ME SOME SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT I SHOULD DO? I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

These issues are most of the time dealt with therapy sessions. There are many places that they will take you on and subject to your ability to pay wil charge a fee but the agreements are that normally if you miss 2 sessions they will dismiss you. Bear that in mind
As for the issues the anger may be about a missing parent who possibly left abruptly never to return or death of a parent which causes the anxiety.
It may also be due to ADHT which needs expeert for diagnosys.

So 1st step seek counceling and then try to make sure it is not HDT or ADHT



im sorry but all that add adhd abde efgh is all horse crap. adhd is a kid raised by a parent who spoils their kid and lets them get away with way to much, beat her ass, ull see what happens

People like you make this world a very colourful place to live
I guess your colour is dark brown.laugh laugh laugh laugh


i prefer a dark blue, maybe black... but its true, and i bet the parents of kids who dont act out would agree. its a sad but true fact that kids now adays act as if they themselves are the parents


refering to violence as a problem solving technique for a child by a police officer!! makes me ill...sick sick



its something i agree with totally tho. kids should understand they are not the parents andare not in charge. thats my POV. everyone has a diff. one but thats mine

I guess thats why you are a police officer and you handle things they way you see it fit as per your training. I have no problem accepting that the society requires individuals like you . There is no doubt. But we don't use a sledge hammer to crack a nut. Unfortunately the system does and you also instead of being part of a solution become part of a problem:cry:


my biggest point on the whole matter i guess is this....ill lay it out (not trying to make excuses but idk...) i was raised by the iron fist of my parents, grew up on honorroll, joined the USMC, and am now already a cop and almost finished college. my sister on the other hand was almost 18, was raised getting what she wants when she wants it and she has been arrested 4 times and got pregnant once then last december was found ODed on heroin. so i guess my outlook on it is that if you stop them by changing to the way i grew up, we wont lose another precious child to ways we lost my sister...


It is so regrettable that you have endured such trauma. I only can sympathize with you. I also admire you for having come through the ranks and made it to become an absolute essential part of our society. I know I have had a tough childhood but not as drastic as yours so I may not be able to imagine the level of pain. However I know one thing. I don't pass the hurt to others . I don't for one minute suggest that you do, but your writing provides me enough to feel that you may. I strongly urge you that to deal with every day stresses to use the services of a therapist and before you reject the matter out of hand I have no problem to say that I do and I believe I am a better person than I used to be.



see tho, i dont agree with violence in any way. im not saying beat the child with a baseball bat or anything, im saying a simple spanking to remind the child who the mother is, i dont go around hitting people for no reason or anything like that..


there is a problem with spanking let me show you
I am the child I do something. I fear spanking. If I don't get spanking I have no idea how much it would hurt
Are you with me?

Then we start spanking. The child experiences that, and thinks "Oh is that what it was?" so he has no fear so you continue. The punishment has lost its effect. Then you take it one notch up then what happens child gets used to higher level of pain. Gradually the level gets so high it becomes abuse. Yet if the treat was left there with the unknown undiscovered it would have had a better chance of success.


so i should thank my dad for my great fighting career? bigsmile joking, i know, uncalled ofr but eh but on a serious note, i hope the TS can get the help and guidance she needs