acutualy as Ive stated before in other threads, I believe that god is indeed ignoring us and I find that very, very comforting...this absured christian fantasy about being "saved" is only a childish escapism from reality..If you're so worried about committing sins and needing to be saved, then live a decent life harming no one and helping many...isnt that what your "saviour" preached in the first place?

Abra,

That makes perfect logical sense to me Abra.

(I am sure there are Christian forums on the Internet somewhere.)

The problem with that for them is that all they will find there are other Christians and there is no one to convert. They seek not only to "share" but to bring others into their fold, as they are taught to do.

They are looking for non-Christians apparently, so they don't want a church forum and would probably not even use it to "spread their joy" to each other.

Therefore, you interrupt them in their effort to find new converts. This they don't like.

In a "Church" forum they would only become a mutual admiration society and they could not gain any converts, and it would probably end up with them arguing amongst themselves on the details of their denomination.

So Wouldee and others who find offense in your posts should just scroll past them. Why would they want to inflict themselves with the anguish they get from reading your posts?

You have told him and others to just scroll on past your posts and do not read them. Nobody has to read anything on this site at all.

JB

The truth in this is far more profound that any Christian is willing to confess. Even if they actually succeeded in proselytizing the whole world to Christianity that would only be the beginning of their internal wars.

They would absolutely turn on each other arguing the details. They already do this whilst they are attempting to proselytize non-Christians!

Their plight is futile and totally non-constructive for humanity as a whole. On the contrary they are their own nemesis.

So Wouldee and others who find offense in your posts should just scroll past them. Why would they want to inflict themselves with the anguish they get from reading your posts?

You have told him and others to just scroll on past your posts and do not read them. Nobody has to read anything on this site at all.

Absolutely. No one is forced to read my posts.

They just can’t refute the rock-solid points I make so they go into hysteria either by slandering me with an ocean of personal insults and false innuendos. Or they run around the forums praising their lord with a shower of boldly printed phrases and colorful icons. Again, solely because they cannot refute my logic. It’s an act of pure desperation showing that they are clearly frustrated beyond all control, and so they need to resort to distraction tactics because they can’t refute the rock-solid issues that I bring up.

And the real irony is that I'm not even an atheist!

I believe in God probably more than they do. I'm just saying that ancient mythology isn't the correct picture. And I give rock-solid reasons why it can't be.

It's meant to be intellectual food for thought for anyone who takes religion seriously.

As I said in my poem, they are high on themselves and fairy dust.

that's when splinter sects are formed when the believers can't agree on the belief which is an indication of a lack of faith in the belief and why the belief can be no more than a belief

Abra..as long as you are NOT BASHING, putting DOWN christianity, OR trying to tell us what YOU THINK christianity is REALLY all about.....without EVER having studied it thoroughly atall.... then you can post your beliefs ALL you want.

BUT....

It is NOT your , my job..or anyone's
job here.. to tell others that they are WRONG.....but you can SHARE what is RIGHT for YOU...WITHOUT telling others they are WRONG.

I share Jesus cause He is right for me.
I feel He is the only way..BUT I am not going around telling others they are wrong and bashing them for THEIR beliefs.
See what I am saying?

And I may still lift up and share Jesus ...but frankly, I don't need to CONTINUE sharing that truth either. A few times is enough.
Either people believe or they don't.... I don't need to keep repeating or rehashing it.


And if they don't believe, that is fine....no need to keep saying more.
A few times is enough..and I move on.

Abra...as long as you agree, disagree, debate , not agree some more , question, argue some more..argue your differences...gripe, joke around even...whatever.....that is FINE!!

BUT....when YOU
keep putting DOWN another Faith, or telling another FAITH how You THINK that other Faith is SUPPOSED to actually be all about..according to your OWN nonsensical thinking...when actually, you don't know DIDDLY about that other Faith atall..then we have a PROBLEM with you, Abra!!!

THAT ALONE has been our ONLY issue with you here!!!!!

Abra... start a thread and SHARE what Abra believes...so far we haven't the foggiest...cause you are soooo busy BASHING CHRISTIANITY.

You say you are a panthesist....
YET your profile says you are a BUDDIST.

WHAT DO you believe???!!
SHARE!!
But DON"T BASH CHRISTIANITY ANY MORE HERE!!!

Is that too much to ask?
Cause if it IS....
I will simply IGNORE you from now on, IF the bashing starts again.

Wouldee suggested starting a thread about your OWN beliefs...I think that is a great idea.....
THEN if a christian comes to YOUR thread and BASHES you, you have EVERY right to ask them to STOP BASHING your belief.
DIG??

But DON"T come on a christian's thread and BASH ANYMORE.
PLEASE respect our wishes in this forum from now on.

Once more.....so this finally gets across....

Share your differences....DON"T have to agree.....but DON"T try to tell a christian that you KNOW what their christianity is all about, when you DON'T....cause you are spewing WRONG and INCORRECT information about our Faith.

THAT is SPEAKING ERROR on your part. ..about OUR FAITH!!
THAT'S what Wouldee was also referring to, when he also has repeatedly asked you to STOP doing this.

You don't have to agree with us.... no one does.....but share YOUR point of view WITHOUT putting our beliefs down..OR trying to tell us you know our christianity ,when you simply DON'T.
And everythng should be fine then.

PRAYING this finally gets across.
Thank You .

Morningsong,

With all due respect,
You cannot exclude anyone from any so-called "Christian" thread. It is against the rules. In fact, a thread that is exclusive to only one religion is supposed to be deleted.

Read the rules.



If Christians want an exclusive forum, they should probably look elsewhere on the Internet.

JB

P.S. Besides, Abra does not bash people he states his views on the religion. I have never seen him bash any individual. If a person takes offense it is because they confuse them self with what they believe.


JB

No I don’t see what you are saying at all. I totally disagree with you.

You are saying that Jesus Christ is the ONLY GOD and that the Bible is the ONLY word of God.

I’m saying that the entire biblical picture is manmade mythology that doesn’t hold water. And I give my arguments to support my view.

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When you say that Jesus Christ is the ONLY GOD and that the Bible is the ONLY word of God, you are automatically bashing all other faiths. It’s implicit in what you are claiming. You aren’t claiming that it’s only true for you, you’re trying to claim that it’s true for all mankind. You’re trying to claim that it’s true for ME!!! Seeing since I’m part of all mankind.

Your very belief denounces my belief.

That’s absolutely NO DIFFERENT from the fact that my belief that the bible is a myth is denouncing your belief.

We are 100% in each other’s face.

And like Reverend Rabbit has often stated. As soon as Christian quite trying to proselytize Christianity as being the ONLY WAY then I’ll quite trying to unproselytize it.

If you can claim that the biblical account of God is true for all mankind.

Then I can claim that it’s false for all mankind.

There is absolutely no difference between our views. You claim that a book is true, I claim that a book is false. In a sense we are bashing each other’s views.

And like Reverend Rabbit says, if you quite bashing my view that the book is false, then I’ll quite bashing your view that the book is true.

But you won’t stop.

It’s not enough for you to just believe in it yourself. You have to come onto the forums and try to convince others to believe it too!!

So you’re trying to convince people that a book is true, and I’m trying to show them that it can’t be true.

I don’t see where either one of us has the upper hand.

You’re trying to claim that I’m somehow bashing your beliefs, whilst your not bashing mine is total but you are bashing mine. Every time I voice my view that the book is not true you accuse me of wrong doing.

But that’s my belief.

And like I say, by the forum rules everyone is entitled to state their beliefs

If you don’t like my beliefs just skip over my posts.

What you are trying to suggest to me is that I quit interrupting your sermon services (which by rules of the forum you aren’t even supposed to be conducting here in the first place).

If you make a statement about a particular religious view than anyone is free to comment on that view, even if that comment is an explanation of why they believe it can’t be true.

If you don’t like discussing religion in this open and free speech way then these forums aren’t what you are seeking. Like Jeanniebead said, there are plenty of religious sites where you can gather together with likeminded people.

You’re just upset because you can’t freely proselytize your religion on these forums without being interrupted by non-believers. You’re just out to convert random people to your religion without being challenged on the merit of what you are selling.

But that’s just not the purpose of these forums. They aren’t here as a place for free religious proselytizing.

The last thread you started here was an actual sermon complete with calling people to the alter to be accept Jesus Christ as their Savior. That’s not asking for a discussion, that’s a church service!!!!

This just isn’t the place for that MorningSong. That’s all there is to it. You’re just in the wrong place if that’s what you want to do.

It’s as simple as that. You’re trying to convert a discussion forum into a church.

You consider views that don’t agree with yours as bashing your religion. If that’s your perspective you shouldn’t be on an open discussion forum. You should join a Christian forum where all the Christians sit around patting each other on the back. There are tons of them on the web.

Here,….have some links,…

http://www.christianforums.net/

www.christianityboard.com/

mychristianforums.org/

www.christianpenpalz.com/

Exactly.

There are plenty of forums on the Internet that are exclusively for the Christian view. You can praise Jesus to your heart's content and everyone will agree with you and send you flowers and fair dust.

Why are you here trying to convert all of us into Chrisitians????

And don’t say that you aren’t doing this after you just got down posting your sermon service.

You clearly aren’t interested in discussing religion. You seem to want to preach it.

These forums just aren’t the correct venue for your agenda that’s all.

You just want to preach Christianity without any interruptions.

This just isn't the proper place to do that.

Everyone is welcome to share their beliefs.
As long as they don't BASH another's.

I SEE I STILL did not get that point across to you, Abra .
And all I SEE on your part here..... is ONLY what You DON"T believe about Chrsitianity.... but NOTHING shared here, about what you actually DO believe.

Abra.....You wrote and I quote.....

<<<<<<.....They just can’t refute the rock-solid points I make so they go into hysteria either by slandering me with an ocean of personal insults and false innuendos...>>>>>>

Abra...rock solid points have something to stand on. A foundation. A belief.

I see NONE on YOUR part.... ..only a Narccissistic NEED to PUT DOWN another's belief..nothing more.... I see a person who doesn't really know WHAT he believes....or WHO he is.....and his only goal and DUTY in life ...is just to continually point out what is WRONG in another's belief system.
Nothing more.

We have asked you to SHARE YOUR BELIEFS.
You Still haven't, Abra.

And with that said.....I am done .

G'day and God Bless.

Abra.


SLANDER: to defame. to injure by maliciously uttering a false report respectinmg one; to tarnish or impair the reputation of one by false tales, maliciously told or propogated.

yoiu slandered Rapiunzel , and by extension the joy of the truth in her heart antd the sharing of her joy expressed in the poem she posted.

That was malicious slander.

That is who you have slandered and the genesis of checking your arrogant selfrighteousness.

By the way, you haven't slanddered me at all. That was never the point, nor did I write that you had.

Play ignorant all you will. It shows iin your arrogant false teachings about Christianity and your opinions meant to hijack things not of your persuasion.

No where do you have the right to insist in bullying others and commenting maliciously and derogatorally in any thread that is abundantly clear to you will not in any way be received in good will.

At the core of all your protestations about being called on your despicable and arrogant and unmitigated ill will, you choose to ignore your original culpability and accountable responsibility for bearing your own errors and affrnts.

Needless to say, you ignorantly plod ahead decrying wrondoing against your opinions.

Thus, your deflections, as evidence, that I must be in an altered state of mind.

And this, coming from you is incredible and very oxymoronic. You refuse to acknowledg your own strife and contentions that bring about your discomfort.


As far as your religious views are concerned, they are your own. they matter not to me that you embrace any. Such concerns that you have about my opinion are irrelevant.

What is relevant is that you proselytize your opinions at the expense of warping and mischaracterizing Christianity to further your own agenda at every turn.

You are not an authority of Christianity.
You are a false teacher of Christianity.
You are marginally delusional in your inept summations of Christianity.
Christians teach Christianity, not pantheists.
Reading the Bible does not give you license to preach what is meant, but it does entitle you to make judgements.

Those judgements are personal to you, but you insist on maligning Christianity to promote your own agenda, and that is abhorraNT.

At the core of your malignant rants is this particular delusion that you harbor. Your renunciations of Christianity do not qualify you tto teach its meaning and veracity.

Born again Christians have the authority to teach the faith and doctrines and tenets of Christianity, exclusively.

The only Christian is a born again Christian, be they clergy or laeity, they are at the least qualified, for Christianity itself is contingent on being 'born again'.

You are not.

Get over yourself and emeliorate your behavior and conduct yourself with some decency and good manners from now on.

Preach your message without falsely denegrating the Christian faith and all things relevant to it, and stick to the merits of your own doctrines.

You slander every Christian as well by your false teachings and errant representations of the faith, in general.


Get off the backs of those that are not peculiarly congruent to your beliefs.

Post where you like, but don't teach your falsehoods and contrarian op9inions where others are expressing their joy if in fact sharing something dear is the case.

Show some discernment between a debate and an expression of joy.

Show the same respect to others and your demands for respect shall be rewarded you. It is a causal relativity with regards to your past behavior and attitude tat warrants the context I am giving this point as a reward. Were you to be conducting yourself in good manners with respect and dignity, you would not be receiving the brunt of your affronts returned upon your own arrogant head, Abra.

Everything is qualified by your insensitivity and callous disregard for the good of others not of your persuasion.

Not everyone here is retired and bored and singularly planted to constantly monitor and check your childish and inept use of these threads.

Exercise some mature self governance and self control in your conduct and there will never be a problem.

Admonishing you is no pleasure, but it is necessary.

And having read the rles, you also realize that YOU ARE PUSHING THE BOUNDARIES OF YOUR CONDUCT TO THE EXTREME.

Such interpretation of the rules is certainly not in the spirit of the rules, Abra.

Who is the YOU to whom you are referring?

Anyone that is offended by your false teachings of Christianity?

Anyone that doesn't agree with your fabricated religion?

You are the very thing that you despise.

You preach every day and commandeer the threads in the religon forum as though you own it.

your own self righteous arrogance deceives you.

No more Christian bashing to puff up your own religion Abra.

You are oblivious of Christianity at all. You are a false teacher and a maligner of it in your protestations.

Your malignancies do not further your cause, they discredit you and your cause.

Stand on your own merits and refrain from your slanderous deceptions when making your opinions known.

To do otherwise is to produce the scorn of your ill will and malignant and malicious attacks of things that you are unqualified to represzent in any credible form and substance.

The only proselytizing that I see every day in this forum is your pantheism at the incessant expense of maligning other faiths that elude your apprehensions.

You are extremely duplicitous in your positions and demeanor and even more so oxymoronic in your presentations given your penchant for your contempt of anything not appauding your opinions and fabrications.

Get over your self righteous arrogance.

YUP.

You have no clue what Christianity is, Abra.

Leave the teaching to those that do.

Govern you own posts and their autonomous relevancy and quit the charade of pontificating the duplicity that hallmarks your presence here

well said.

Abra is right and I thank him for that .

No I did not.

She posted a cut-&-paste religious advertisement that was written by an anonymous author.

It was that anonymous advertisement that I objected to. And clearly even the author of it didn’t want to be associated with it probably because he or she already knew that it was a lie and didn’t want to take responsibility for it. I explained why it wasn’t true. It claimed that One Solitary Life was responsible for the popularity of Christianity today, and clearly the popularity was due to the thousands of people who proselytized it at sword-point.

It simply isn’t a true advertisement. It’s a brainwashing scheme to try to make people think that Jesus must have been magical to have become so popular all on his own (one man). But his popularity most certainly wasn’t due to him alone. It was to do to millennia of men proselytizing their religion at the point of a sword, and murdering anyone who disagreed with their beliefs.

All I ask is that if people are going to try to sell a religion they do it truthfully and not try to use brainwashing tactics to make it sound like as if its bigger than life when it truth it isn’t.

I slandered no one. Rapunzel did not write that religious advertisement she merely cut-&-pasted it.

You’re just hot-to-trot to try to discredit my character because you don’t like my religious views.

Abra has shared his beliefs.

And he has every right to express his opinions in any forum any time he wants about Christianity.

He calls it like he sees it, a fraud and a lie.

He has evidence to back it up.

No one wants to discuss that. They just want to jump into a defensive posture and accuse him of bashing them personally.

He does not do that. He speaks to the lie he sees.

Again, if Christians want to share their joy and preach and save souls and gain converts in a public forum they have to expect some resistance of this sort from people who do not believe and who feel that you are teaching and preaching a lie.

If you want to preach, then start a church. If you want to share with no opposition, stick to a strictly Christian forum where you will find the support you want.

But don't think you can intimidate the opposition with your ranting.

Geeeeeezzzze. !!!

JB

I did try to share my beliefs, but when I did that I was bombarded with an onslaught of completely false accusations and long winded posts to try to distract from the points I made.

My belief is that God truly is perfect and all-powerful, and would not create a universe where so many souls are lost to eternal damnation.

I believe that God would be powerful enough to create a universe where no one loses.

My belief is that God truly is perfect and all-wise, and would not be so sadistic as to lust for blood sacrifices to appease it for the wrong doings of men.

I believe that God would have a greater wisdom and character than that.

My belief is that God truly is perfect and all-loving, and would never ask men to brutally crucify anyone as a blood sacrifice to appease itself so it can forgive those very men who performed such a despicable act.

I believe that God is loving enough to forgive all whether they ask for forgiveness or not.

My belief is that God truly is perfect and omniscient, and would never expect men to beg to ask God to come into their lives.

I believe that God is innately in everything and everyone. I don’t believe that God would ever abandon anyone ever. In fact, I believe that God created a world where such a scenario isn’t even possible.

I believe that the biblical picture of a ruthless bloodthirsty God who is appeased by blood sacrifices and who solves all problems with violence, and created an evil Demon that’s totally out of control is actually an extremely slanderous insult to the beautiful nature of God.

I believe that to teach children (or anyone) that God is this ruthless, crude, stupid, and heartless is disgusting.

This I believe with all my heart and soul.

And I thank you for your support.