You need a good slapping, boy.

Lex went from an issue with one person to encompassing all Christians in his rant. It is no different than rabbit blasting all of Christianity because they can't all see what he has miraculously discovered via his loss of charismatic faith he claims to have once had. All Christians do not walk in lock step with each other on the issues so is it fair for someone to lump them all together because of differences with one person?

Sorry

too late! I'm coming to get ya!

Love is in the air.
Everywhere I look around.
Just joking

Only Christians are expected to turn the other cheek Miguel. It is a cowardly expectation from those that can open their mouth freely while expecting you to sit quietly and take it but can't be a man and accept your retort because they see you as less of a person than they are.

I always apologize when I am wrong.

And I was wrong when I said what I said.

You're making a rather enormous assumption for one who has been here so short a time. You might want to do some reseach before you make scattershot accusations with no merit. Bad for the credibility, don'tcha know....

My best friend is about as devout a Christian as there is. And, because I have read the Bible cover-to-cover seven times, and am familiar with the material, he often calls me and asks where he can find a particular verse or event.

I have no problems with Christians, per se, or what they choose to believe -- or not to believe. Everyone is an individual and has the right to their own beliefs -- but, by the same token, everyone has the right not to be overwhelmed and proselytized by those trying to "convert" them.



They certainly don't walk in lockstep -- at least, not the ones I know -- and anyone who would suggest that they do is reaching an unwarranted conclusion -- either through bias or ignorance.

I don't apologize when I am wrong. I would sound like a broken record. I will apologize when I have wronged others (usually). Moderators are human too but it takes a bigger man, or woman, to apologize for attacking an entire group of people for one person's infraction rather than doing a drive by posting.

And I am often wrong.

we are just humans sweetie

Miguel, please understand that I have no issues with you personally -- I have always liked you as a person, and as a JSH member, and I have enjoyed reading many of your posts. There is no animosity here. Had there been, it would have been obvious several months ago, at the time of the initial postings.

I used this example merely to make a point about the sort of thing that occurs in these forums sometimes, when religion (or politics, etc.) is invoked.

And I must have missed your apology for those remarks, because I don't remember seeing that, and I want to apologize to you for that -- because I can't read everything that's posted, and sometimes things slip to the bottom of the page before I get a chance to see them.

I'm trying to make a point here about why a lot of people -- including myself -- don't post much here. It has less to do with personalities than agendas.

I think the point has been made quite clearly.

Perhaps re-reading your original post would help you understand what i am saying. I am one of the "they" you spoke of and yet you don't even know me. I deleted my profile and started new. Been here a long time. I wouldn't dare call you on your claims as i have nothing to substantiate or deny them with just as my claim to being anything I state could be the same for you. My point is as stated earlier. Take up your issues with the person you had the problem with. It helps one to appear less bigoted.

let's shake hands my friend.
no offense taken

You certainly ARE an artist JB! I looked at your work on your web page. You are VERY talented. I have a customer that owns an art gallery in New Mexico. May I forward the link to your page?

Star, you just come in here to pick up chicks!

OK, let's look at my original post. Here are the uses of "they" -- or similar terms:

1. "There are those here who refuse to accept anyone who doesn't believe as they do....and who will tell you, repeatedly, that you're going to hell because of it."

Unless you're one of the people who has literally done this, I don't see any way you can interpret this "they" as encompassing yourself. That is the only way you could be one of the "they" I speak of -- and, if such is the case, then my claim IS accurately applied to you -- so you would have no grounds for argument there. "There are those" doesn't mean everyone or even every Christian -- if you choose to interpret it that way, then I think you may be suffering from a persecution complex. In any case, that's certainly not my fault, nor is it my problem. If you decide to read things into it that are clearly not there, that's your business.

2. "I don't believe in hell, I don't believe in their book of fairy tales. To me, religion is just superstition with better funding and more interesting hats."

"Their" here, referring to those who believe in the Bible; which, as is my understanding, most Christians do. The only way I can see an objection here is to my use of the term "fairy tales," which I've been doing for years, long before I was ever on JSH (or any other site), which has little, if anything, to do with my using "they" erroneously as a generic and inclusive term against Christians. If Christians believe in the Bible, and I refer to that belief, and if you are a Christian and do believe in the Bible, where is the complaint? Again, my assertion is accurate. How can you take exception to my including you as a Bible believer, if, in fact, you ARE a Bible believer? Take exception to my use of the term "fairy tales" if you will; that's my own personal opinion. If you choose to be offended by my own personal opinion, well, again, that is your choice, and not my problem.

The bottom line is that my "they" and "their" were not intended to be anything other than references to a.) a small group of JSH posters who have reviled me for not believing as they do, and b.) a generic term encompassing believers in general, referring SOLELY to their belief in their written scriptures.

I fail to see how any of this qualifies as a "rant" (the "more interesting hats" comment is generally understood to be a joke) -- but take it as you will....

Definitely. And I thank you for your understanding!

anytime