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OH I do understand; my question I guess is more general. I am new in the religion forums and it seems like the only acceptable religion is Christianity. Anyone having other beliefs is sad and pathetic. I find that rather arrogant. Hiker, I rarely post in this forum anymore -- I have been called a liar, a murderer, and have been accused of abusing my moderator position, simply for disagreeing with Christians. There are those here who refuse to accept anyone who doesn't believe as they do....and who will tell you, repeatedly, that you're going to hell because of it. I don't believe in hell, I don't believe in their book of fairy tales. To me, religion is just superstition with better funding and more interesting hats. You see til the word "tales", i did not find anything wrong. because this person is just saying how he feels about religion. however, the last sentence is full with sarcasm. so who we are? we complain, and what we do. the same. so let's not be hypocritals. most of us suffer the same illness. a huge Ego. Miguel - you call it holy scripture. He calls it fairy tales. I think you both have the right to see it the way you do. |
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No, it doesn't. It's an affirmation used at the end of prayers by Jews, Christians and Muslims. It has no meaning outside of that context. You'll have to take that up with people at Webster. 
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Hey, James "Amen" is a forbidden word for u. Just the lunatics can use it. You may get some kind of illness. Technically the word "Amen" literally means "I agree". Therefore it seems appropriate for others to say "Amen" when they agree with a prayer or statement. However, in that context is seems kind of strange that people will often say “Amen” after saying their own prayer. That kind of like saying, “I agree with everything I just said”. 
It can also mean, “So be it”, which also seems strange to say after a prayer since it usually up to the deity to make it be and not the requestor. So it’s really kind of strange that people say “Amen” after a solitary private prayer. It’s just a tradition that evolved I guess. There was also an Egyptian God named Amen. But that’s a whole different story. The word ‘amen’ does not imply a religious context. Even atheists can use to the word ‘amen’ to simply mean that they agree with something. It simply means, “I agree”. I use "So be it, So it is!" after affirmations in some exercises I do while creating my reality. The Bible instructs us to "Ask and it is given." and "Believe that ye have it!" "So it is." Is affirming that you have it. So be it, is a command to the unconscious thinking stuff to create that which has been thought or asked of it. It is part of the creative techniques. Witches use these phrases in casting spells too.
JB as to the witches i don't know, and i don't wanna know either. but i agree with everything prior to the witches comment. it actually means "so it is" because for God it's always in present time. |
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OH I do understand; my question I guess is more general. I am new in the religion forums and it seems like the only acceptable religion is Christianity. Anyone having other beliefs is sad and pathetic. I find that rather arrogant. Hiker, I rarely post in this forum anymore -- I have been called a liar, a murderer, and have been accused of abusing my moderator position, simply for disagreeing with Christians. There are those here who refuse to accept anyone who doesn't believe as they do....and who will tell you, repeatedly, that you're going to hell because of it. I don't believe in hell, I don't believe in their book of fairy tales. To me, religion is just superstition with better funding and more interesting hats. You see til the word "tales", i did not find anything wrong. because this person is just saying how he feels about religion. however, the last sentence is full with sarcasm. so who we are? we complain, and what we do. the same. so let's not be hypocritals. most of us suffer the same illness. a huge Ego. Miguel - you call it holy scripture. He calls it fairy tales. I think you both have the right to see it the way you do. Hiker, sweetie u r not reading me. I said til the word "tales" it's ok with me. I just pointed out. the last sentence. |
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 The poem is not saying that "GOD" is literally dead. Its referring to a crisis of faith.
You are right. But i would analyze the intention of the poster. Knowing his aversion to everybody who believes in God. I don't think his original intention was to state a crisis of faith. Therefore, I must agree with on of the posters that i find such a poem sad and pathetic. Thelonelywalker, If you make your judgment based on the messenger, then you are not interpreting the poem as it should be interpreted, but rather, you are taking up a defensive position because of your personal judgment of the poster. The poster did not write the poem and probably does not interpret the poem the way the poet intended. Unless we ask the poet, we may not know, but the idea of art and poetry is to speak to the audience in what ever way they want to perceive it. Don't judge the art by the person who hangs it on the wall, its not fair to the artist. JB |
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OH I do understand; my question I guess is more general. I am new in the religion forums and it seems like the only acceptable religion is Christianity. Anyone having other beliefs is sad and pathetic. I find that rather arrogant. Hiker, I rarely post in this forum anymore -- I have been called a liar, a murderer, and have been accused of abusing my moderator position, simply for disagreeing with Christians. There are those here who refuse to accept anyone who doesn't believe as they do....and who will tell you, repeatedly, that you're going to hell because of it. I don't believe in hell, I don't believe in their book of fairy tales. To me, religion is just superstition with better funding and more interesting hats. You see til the word "tales", i did not find anything wrong. because this person is just saying how he feels about religion. however, the last sentence is full with sarcasm. so who we are? we complain, and what we do. the same. so let's not be hypocritals. most of us suffer the same illness. a huge Ego. Miguel - you call it holy scripture. He calls it fairy tales. I think you both have the right to see it the way you do. Hiker, sweetie u r not reading me. I said til the word "tales" it's ok with me. I just pointed out. the last sentence. I did read you - I thought - but why can't he think they are tales? Isn't that his right? This is what I am having difficulty understanding. People outside of your religion are not going to hold as holy the same things that you do. Just because they don't, doesn't mean they are disrespecting you. It means they see it differently. |
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Lets keep in mind what the poem is actually saying. Its not saying that "GOD" is literally dead. Its about a crisis of faith in the human heart
did you confirm that with the OP? I dont need to I can read and understand The OP may or maynot know what it means I'm pretty good at literary analysis.
Oh, I see. I didn't realize that he didn't write it until now. Two days in a row you have walked past the sign that read "**** Ahead" only to jump into what you thought was a pile of feathers. 
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Lets keep in mind what the poem is actually saying. Its not saying that "GOD" is literally dead. Its about a crisis of faith in the human heart
did you confirm that with the OP? I dont need to I can read and understand The OP may or maynot know what it means I'm pretty good at literary analysis.
Oh, I see. I didn't realize that he didn't write it until now. Two days in a row you have walked past the sign that read "**** Ahead" only to jump into what you thought was a pile of feathers.
yeah, but goats are tough and scrappy. and washable |
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I did read you - I thought - but why can't he think they are tales? Isn't that his right? This is what I am having difficulty understanding. People outside of your religion are not going to hold as holy the same things that you do. Just because they don't, doesn't mean they are disrespecting you. It means they see it differently. Hiker, keep in mind that this is the same person who called me a "murderer" because I'm pro-choice on the abortion issue. We're not allowed to see it differently. They talk about tolerance, but....? Who have I ever referred to as a murderer? Who have I ever condemned to hell? My philosophy is -- believe whatever you want to believe, and I'll believe whatever I want to believe. You attack me for that, I am going to say something. I will never start it -- it's pointless to start an argument about something that can never be resolved, one way or the other (at least not in a human lifetime) -- but I won't be preached to, either, or put up with people tring to ram their beliefs down my throat. |
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The poem is not saying that "GOD" is literally dead. Its referring to a crisis of faith.
You are right. But i would analyze the intention of the poster. Knowing his aversion to everybody who believes in God. I don't think his original intention was to state a crisis of faith. Therefore, I must agree with on of the posters that i find such a poem sad and pathetic. Thelonelywalker, If you make your judgment based on the messenger, then you are not interpreting the poem as it should be interpreted, but rather, you are taking up a defensive position because of your personal judgment of the poster. The poster did not write the poem and probably does not interpret the poem the way the poet intended. Unless we ask the poet, we may not know, but the idea of art and poetry is to speak to the audience in what ever way they want to perceive it. Don't judge the art by the person who hangs it on the wall, its not fair to the artist. JB what can i say? u r a wise, woman!!!
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I use "So be it, So it is!" after affirmations in some exercises I do while creating my reality. The Bible instructs us to "Ask and it is given." and "Believe that ye have it!" "So it is." Is affirming that you have it. So be it, is a command to the unconscious thinking stuff to create that which has been thought or asked of it. It is part of the creative techniques. Witches use these phrases in casting spells too.
JB Yes in that context it makes perfect sense to say "So be it" after a prayer. That's the truest form of faith. You ask for something,… and it is,… because you have made it so by the very act of asking for it. People should be taught what these words mean so they understand what they hell they are saying.
I’ll bet a lot of people don’t even know what the word “amen” means. They probably just think is some kind of polite gesture of reverence. 
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Interesting poem, YZ. Amen means "Let it be so" I read the other day. I identify with the guy in the poem. It was me about 10 years ago. I was a drunk, I was suicidal, I screwed up two good marriages, and then I learned I needed the Lord and walking with him was much better than walking without.
I found his light and have never looked back. Look in the Bible, you can find him there, too. Check out Psalms, especially. If you read a few of them a day, you'll get a tremendous mental boost and a surge of energy and escitement in your life and who couldn't use that? Go ahead. I dare ya! |
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The poem is not saying that "GOD" is literally dead. Its referring to a crisis of faith.
You are right. But i would analyze the intention of the poster. Knowing his aversion to everybody who believes in God. I don't think his original intention was to state a crisis of faith. Therefore, I must agree with on of the posters that i find such a poem sad and pathetic. Thelonelywalker, If you make your judgment based on the messenger, then you are not interpreting the poem as it should be interpreted, but rather, you are taking up a defensive position because of your personal judgment of the poster. The poster did not write the poem and probably does not interpret the poem the way the poet intended. Unless we ask the poet, we may not know, but the idea of art and poetry is to speak to the audience in what ever way they want to perceive it. Don't judge the art by the person who hangs it on the wall, its not fair to the artist. JB Concerning judgment of the poem- one man's poetry is another's Gary Larson cartoon. Concerning judgment of the OP- If it walks like a duck...... or better yet, Don't be misled by the intentions of someone that hands you a chrome plated turd and a smile. It is still a turd. 
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OH I do understand; my question I guess is more general. I am new in the religion forums and it seems like the only acceptable religion is Christianity. Anyone having other beliefs is sad and pathetic. I find that rather arrogant. Hiker, I rarely post in this forum anymore -- I have been called a liar, a murderer, and have been accused of abusing my moderator position, simply for disagreeing with Christians. There are those here who refuse to accept anyone who doesn't believe as they do....and who will tell you, repeatedly, that you're going to hell because of it. I don't believe in hell, I don't believe in their book of fairy tales. To me, religion is just superstition with better funding and more interesting hats. You see til the word "tales", i did not find anything wrong. because this person is just saying how he feels about religion. however, the last sentence is full with sarcasm. so who we are? we complain, and what we do. the same. so let's not be hypocritals. most of us suffer the same illness. a huge Ego. Miguel - you call it holy scripture. He calls it fairy tales. I think you both have the right to see it the way you do. Hiker, sweetie u r not reading me. I said til the word "tales" it's ok with me. I just pointed out. the last sentence. I did read you - I thought - but why can't he think they are tales? Isn't that his right? This is what I am having difficulty understanding. People outside of your religion are not going to hold as holy the same things that you do. Just because they don't, doesn't mean they are disrespecting you. It means they see it differently. Again, my friend I said that is ok for a person to think that the Bible is a fairy tale. It's just his/her position. And if they say such a thing is because that is the way how they feel. However, I know that for me (and again just for me. It's not a fairy tale, but the inspired word of God.) I say just for me because even though I know that every christian thinks the same as I do. I never speak for others. |
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I did read you - I thought - but why can't he think they are tales? Isn't that his right? This is what I am having difficulty understanding. People outside of your religion are not going to hold as holy the same things that you do. Just because they don't, doesn't mean they are disrespecting you. It means they see it differently. Hiker, keep in mind that this is the same person who called me a "murderer" because I'm pro-choice on the abortion issue. We're not allowed to see it differently. They talk about tolerance, but....? Who have I ever referred to as a murderer? Who have I ever condemned to hell? My philosophy is -- believe whatever you want to believe, and I'll believe whatever I want to believe. You attack me for that, I am going to say something. I will never start it -- it's pointless to start an argument about something that can never be resolved, one way or the other (at least not in a human lifetime) -- but I won't be preached to, either, or put up with people tring to ram their beliefs down my throat. well, I have also noticed that when you make a really good point, no one replies. Funny. |
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I did read you - I thought - but why can't he think they are tales? Isn't that his right? This is what I am having difficulty understanding. People outside of your religion are not going to hold as holy the same things that you do. Just because they don't, doesn't mean they are disrespecting you. It means they see it differently. Hiker, keep in mind that this is the same person who called me a "murderer" because I'm pro-choice on the abortion issue. We're not allowed to see it differently. They talk about tolerance, but....? Who have I ever referred to as a murderer? Who have I ever condemned to hell? My philosophy is -- believe whatever you want to believe, and I'll believe whatever I want to believe. You attack me for that, I am going to say something. I will never start it -- it's pointless to start an argument about something that can never be resolved, one way or the other (at least not in a human lifetime) -- but I won't be preached to, either, or put up with people tring to ram their beliefs down my throat. didn't i publicly apologyze for making such a stupid comment? which by the way was not directed to you, Sir. I made a mistake, I recognized it publicly. And again I apologyze for such a stupidity. |
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Lets keep in mind what the poem is actually saying. Its not saying that "GOD" is literally dead. Its about a crisis of faith in the human heart
did you confirm that with the OP? I dont need to I can read and understand The OP may or maynot know what it means I'm pretty good at literary analysis.
Oh, I see. I didn't realize that he didn't write it until now. Two days in a row you have walked past the sign that read "**** Ahead" only to jump into what you thought was a pile of feathers.
yeah, but goats are tough and scrappy. and washable I knew a guy when I lived in South Carolina that had a goat pen and he would simply move the pen every few days to mow and fertilize at the same time. God it was funny!
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Lets keep in mind what the poem is actually saying. Its not saying that "GOD" is literally dead. Its about a crisis of faith in the human heart
did you confirm that with the OP? I dont need to I can read and understand The OP may or maynot know what it means I'm pretty good at literary analysis.
Oh, I see. I didn't realize that he didn't write it until now. Two days in a row you have walked past the sign that read "**** Ahead" only to jump into what you thought was a pile of feathers.
yeah, but goats are tough and scrappy. and washable I knew a guy when I lived in South Carolina that had a goat pen and he would simply move the pen every few days to mow and fertilize at the same time. God it was funny!
I don't have to do that.My goats escape on a daily basis! |
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I did read you - I thought - but why can't he think they are tales? Isn't that his right? This is what I am having difficulty understanding. People outside of your religion are not going to hold as holy the same things that you do. Just because they don't, doesn't mean they are disrespecting you. It means they see it differently. Hiker, keep in mind that this is the same person who called me a "murderer" because I'm pro-choice on the abortion issue. We're not allowed to see it differently. They talk about tolerance, but....? Who have I ever referred to as a murderer? Who have I ever condemned to hell? My philosophy is -- believe whatever you want to believe, and I'll believe whatever I want to believe. You attack me for that, I am going to say something. I will never start it -- it's pointless to start an argument about something that can never be resolved, one way or the other (at least not in a human lifetime) -- but I won't be preached to, either, or put up with people tring to ram their beliefs down my throat. well, I have also noticed that when you make a really good point, no one replies. Funny. No, generally it is because nobody cares.
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The poem is not saying that "GOD" is literally dead. Its referring to a crisis of faith.
You are right. But i would analyze the intention of the poster. Knowing his aversion to everybody who believes in God. I don't think his original intention was to state a crisis of faith. Therefore, I must agree with on of the posters that i find such a poem sad and pathetic. Thelonelywalker, If you make your judgment based on the messenger, then you are not interpreting the poem as it should be interpreted, but rather, you are taking up a defensive position because of your personal judgment of the poster. The poster did not write the poem and probably does not interpret the poem the way the poet intended. Unless we ask the poet, we may not know, but the idea of art and poetry is to speak to the audience in what ever way they want to perceive it. Don't judge the art by the person who hangs it on the wall, its not fair to the artist. JB Concerning judgment of the poem- one man's poetry is another's Gary Larson cartoon. Concerning judgment of the OP- If it walks like a duck...... or better yet, Don't be misled by the intentions of someone that hands you a chrome plated turd and a smile. It is still a turd.
Star_tin_gover I was actually addressing TheLonelyWalker. But being an artist I prefer to judge the art on its own merits and not by the person who buys it and hangs it on their wall. It is the same with poems. I am not "misled" by the poster's intentions, I didn't really care about them. I just liked the poem itself, it spoke to me.
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