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Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Tue 04/29/08 06:43 PM
hmmmm interesting...so if they work for MORE than minimum wage....how is it slave labor???? but maybe SOME employers pay that but for the most part...they pay less because it is "cheap labor" employers can get away with it because they will work for it and paid under the table. they pay less because citizens won't work for more than minimum wage????? no they do it because they pay less than minimum wage since they are illegal...they don't have the right sof citizens but they choose to risk their lives to come here anyway The illegals who used to wait on the corner here in town for the employers to come and pick them up for labor jobs got paid 10 dollars an hour. It doesn't happen there anymore but that is what they got paid, minimum wage is less then that. The employers come out ahead by paying them, they do not have to pay taxes on the employees and no benes, no workmans comp insurance, no other insurances that employers have to pay to have a place of employment. This is the problem, they hire them so they come here for the work. then that is there...not here. there are still illegals that hang out at places here for employers to come. they keep moving because they keep getting busted. they keep busting employers paying less than minimum wage here. and of course the employers don't pay insurance, benefits, work comp etc....why should they. i completely agree and have been saying all along that there should be tougher laws on employers...but illegals choose to come here...and it's not only for jobs What else do they come here for? They cannot get welfare or any kind of public benefits. If they only come here for medical attention then why stay if they cannot find work? How about steal, rob, commit fraud, get benefits, and medical attention. You kep saying they cannot, but they can. They also run across the border to have a child on us soil. Why do you keep denying the truth

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Tue 04/29/08 06:45 PM Edited by Fanta46 on Tue 04/29/08 06:46 PM
Dragoness, Welfare is controlled on the State level. I'm sure you haven't worked for every state welfare agency. The laws Tom Tancredo helped establish in Colo. are not practiced in all 50 states. Illegal immigration cost the State of NC $999 million last year. You are like a broken record that no one is buying...

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Tue 04/29/08 06:45 PM
This is a load of crap. This is a dream world that you, and you alone live in. In the past two years I have had 5, listen to what i am saying FIVE (5) trucks hit in California by illegal immigrants with no drivers license, nor insurance. Did they pay their debt to me? Nope, MY insurance went up, they were deported, so they could sneak back across the border the following day. They steal revenue out of the economy. You know why? They take the money they make, and send the majority of it back to Old Mexico. They take jobs that we could force welfare recipients here to do that are able bodied. You cannot get a white crew on a roof in STL because they canot compare with the prices that the illegal crews are handing out. Guess what happens after the first rain though? The homeowner generally has a lot of leaks, and cannot track them back down to get repairs. They pay their debt at the hospitals? Bs, they skip on bills as they cannot be traced. You repeat the same thing over and over, and never add anything new to it. Keep telling me I am hateful, but nobody who is not a citizen of this country deserves protection under the law. I do not even agree with handouts, and free rides to our own citizens, why would I desire to pay more for something (like my insurane) because of people who are illegally here? My insurane on my rig trucks was far from cheap to begin with. I dropped Ca as a mnt state soley to get my rates back inline because of their crap Funny you mentioned the roofers in St. Louis. It is so true. I got a new roof and on the first rain it leaked. I blamed Labor Ready (no Hispanics though). My friends have complained that they hire a legit company and think there are legit workers on the roof. When they want to talk to somebody on the roof, they are surprised to find only Hispanics and nobody can speak English. And, yes, the roofs have leaked. I don't know if you know about this, Rob. My father told me he read it in the paper. St. Louis has allowed some kind of contract to hire people from Mexico to come here this spring and summer to perform yardwork. When the season is over, they are to go back to Mexico. I didn't realize that we had a shortage of people that wanted to work. The going rate for lawncutters around me is $25.00 per lawn. there is no shortage of labor in stl, they are all out of work. How do I know this? I picked up 60 people who used to roof in stl.People that hire these illegals should be shot, period. They are ruining our economy

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 04/29/08 06:46 PM
lol we are having taco bueno tonight lol dragoness....for medical, education, children being born here as well as job. i never excluded jobs

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Tue 04/29/08 06:48 PM
Had dinner without you tonight, Fanta. Imo's pizza - one of St. Louis's finest. Pizza's gooooooddddd... How about Tacos??? Tex-Mex (Taco Bell) or my illegal friend's restaurant with authentic?

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 04/29/08 06:49 PM Edited by Winx on Tue 04/29/08 06:49 PM
then that is there...not here. there are still illegals that hang out at places here for employers to come. they keep moving because they keep getting busted. they keep busting employers paying less than minimum wage here. and of course the employers don't pay insurance, benefits, work comp etc....why should they. i completely agree and have been saying all along that there should be tougher laws on employers...but illegals choose to come here...and it's not only for jobs What else do they come here for? They cannot get welfare or any kind of public benefits. If they only come here for medical attention then why stay if they cannot find work? My friend that came here illegally came here to work to send money to his elderly parents because they have no retirement funds there. Sometimes he works he three jobs and sleeps very little.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 06:55 PM
hmmmm interesting...so if they work for MORE than minimum wage....how is it slave labor???? but maybe SOME employers pay that but for the most part...they pay less because it is "cheap labor" employers can get away with it because they will work for it and paid under the table. they pay less because citizens won't work for more than minimum wage????? no they do it because they pay less than minimum wage since they are illegal...they don't have the right sof citizens but they choose to risk their lives to come here anyway The illegals who used to wait on the corner here in town for the employers to come and pick them up for labor jobs got paid 10 dollars an hour. It doesn't happen there anymore but that is what they got paid, minimum wage is less then that. The employers come out ahead by paying them, they do not have to pay taxes on the employees and no benes, no workmans comp insurance, no other insurances that employers have to pay to have a place of employment. This is the problem, they hire them so they come here for the work. then that is there...not here. there are still illegals that hang out at places here for employers to come. they keep moving because they keep getting busted. they keep busting employers paying less than minimum wage here. and of course the employers don't pay insurance, benefits, work comp etc....why should they. i completely agree and have been saying all along that there should be tougher laws on employers...but illegals choose to come here...and it's not only for jobs What else do they come here for? They cannot get welfare or any kind of public benefits. If they only come here for medical attention then why stay if they cannot find work? How about steal, rob, commit fraud, get benefits, and medical attention. You kep saying they cannot, but they can. They also run across the border to have a child on us soil. Why do you keep denying the truth The majority of them do not fraud, rob, steal, etc... So to use the generalization is to hatemonger and we should not do that.

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Tue 04/29/08 06:56 PM
hmmmm interesting...so if they work for MORE than minimum wage....how is it slave labor???? but maybe SOME employers pay that but for the most part...they pay less because it is "cheap labor" employers can get away with it because they will work for it and paid under the table. they pay less because citizens won't work for more than minimum wage????? no they do it because they pay less than minimum wage since they are illegal...they don't have the right sof citizens but they choose to risk their lives to come here anyway The illegals who used to wait on the corner here in town for the employers to come and pick them up for labor jobs got paid 10 dollars an hour. It doesn't happen there anymore but that is what they got paid, minimum wage is less then that. The employers come out ahead by paying them, they do not have to pay taxes on the employees and no benes, no workmans comp insurance, no other insurances that employers have to pay to have a place of employment. This is the problem, they hire them so they come here for the work. then that is there...not here. there are still illegals that hang out at places here for employers to come. they keep moving because they keep getting busted. they keep busting employers paying less than minimum wage here. and of course the employers don't pay insurance, benefits, work comp etc....why should they. i completely agree and have been saying all along that there should be tougher laws on employers...but illegals choose to come here...and it's not only for jobs What else do they come here for? They cannot get welfare or any kind of public benefits. If they only come here for medical attention then why stay if they cannot find work? How about steal, rob, commit fraud, get benefits, and medical attention. You kep saying they cannot, but they can. They also run across the border to have a child on us soil. Why do you keep denying the truth The majority of them do not fraud, rob, steal, etc... So to use the generalization is to hatemonger and we should not do that. they do. they steal jobs, they steal from the taxpayers, and just plain break the law to be here

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Tue 04/29/08 06:57 PM
I'll fix that for you Dragoness

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 06:57 PM
Dragoness, Welfare is controlled on the State level. I'm sure you haven't worked for every state welfare agency. The laws Tom Tancredo helped establish in Colo. are not practiced in all 50 states. Illegal immigration cost the State of NC $999 million last year. You are like a broken record that no one is buying... Fanta, we have been through this many benefits are federal so the laws apply federally. Tancredo didn't do **** here for the control of illegals receiving benefits, we already had the laws on the books and we were implementing them before he ever showed up on the scene. Funny how political leaders can get credit for doing nothing huh?

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Tue 04/29/08 07:01 PM
Dragoness, Welfare is controlled on the State level. I'm sure you haven't worked for every state welfare agency. The laws Tom Tancredo helped establish in Colo. are not practiced in all 50 states. Illegal immigration cost the State of NC $999 million last year. You are like a broken record that no one is buying... Fanta, we have been through this many benefits are federal so the laws apply federally. Tancredo didn't do **** here for the control of illegals receiving benefits, we already had the laws on the books and we were implementing them before he ever showed up on the scene. Funny how political leaders can get credit for doing nothing huh? Tancredo started serving in Colo in 1976!!!

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 07:02 PM
hmmmm interesting...so if they work for MORE than minimum wage....how is it slave labor???? but maybe SOME employers pay that but for the most part...they pay less because it is "cheap labor" employers can get away with it because they will work for it and paid under the table. they pay less because citizens won't work for more than minimum wage????? no they do it because they pay less than minimum wage since they are illegal...they don't have the right sof citizens but they choose to risk their lives to come here anyway The illegals who used to wait on the corner here in town for the employers to come and pick them up for labor jobs got paid 10 dollars an hour. It doesn't happen there anymore but that is what they got paid, minimum wage is less then that. The employers come out ahead by paying them, they do not have to pay taxes on the employees and no benes, no workmans comp insurance, no other insurances that employers have to pay to have a place of employment. This is the problem, they hire them so they come here for the work. then that is there...not here. there are still illegals that hang out at places here for employers to come. they keep moving because they keep getting busted. they keep busting employers paying less than minimum wage here. and of course the employers don't pay insurance, benefits, work comp etc....why should they. i completely agree and have been saying all along that there should be tougher laws on employers...but illegals choose to come here...and it's not only for jobs What else do they come here for? They cannot get welfare or any kind of public benefits. If they only come here for medical attention then why stay if they cannot find work? How about steal, rob, commit fraud, get benefits, and medical attention. You kep saying they cannot, but they can. They also run across the border to have a child on us soil. Why do you keep denying the truth The majority of them do not fraud, rob, steal, etc... So to use the generalization is to hatemonger and we should not do that. they do. they steal jobs, they steal from the taxpayers, and just plain break the law to be here It is more complicated then that but I will concede they are illegally here and we need to stop employing them so they will have no way to make it here.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 07:03 PM
Dragoness, Welfare is controlled on the State level. I'm sure you haven't worked for every state welfare agency. The laws Tom Tancredo helped establish in Colo. are not practiced in all 50 states. Illegal immigration cost the State of NC $999 million last year. You are like a broken record that no one is buying... Fanta, we have been through this many benefits are federal so the laws apply federally. Tancredo didn't do **** here for the control of illegals receiving benefits, we already had the laws on the books and we were implementing them before he ever showed up on the scene. Funny how political leaders can get credit for doing nothing huh? Tancredo started serving in Colo in 1976!!! The laws that made it illegal to give the illegals anything was federal anyway so he did nothing

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Tue 04/29/08 07:03 PM
In 1976, while teaching history at Drake Junior High School in Denver, he ran for and won a seat in the Colorado House of Representatives. He served two terms (1977–1981) and was one of the leaders of a vocal group of conservative legislators opposing the policies of Colorado Governor **** Lamm. During the 1970s, Tancredo pioneered opposition to bilingual education, an issue that would remain a feature of his political orientation.

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Tue 04/29/08 07:05 PM
Imagine that an educator against bilingual education.....

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 07:06 PM
In 1976, while teaching history at Drake Junior High School in Denver, he ran for and won a seat in the Colorado House of Representatives. He served two terms (1977–1981) and was one of the leaders of a vocal group of conservative legislators opposing the policies of Colorado Governor **** Lamm. During the 1970s, Tancredo pioneered opposition to bilingual education, an issue that would remain a feature of his political orientation. bilingual education is important in our schools, we are a world community and need to learn other languages, so that is a stupid stance anyway.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 04/29/08 07:07 PM
<---eating dinner for now. you guys can argue with the broken record now.

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Tue 04/29/08 07:07 PM
And the grandson of Italian Immigrants. Both sets of grandparents!!

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 07:10 PM
Just don't pass around inaccurate information and discuss "them" like humans that deserve respect and I will have no issues with the whole discussion. I don't appreciate hatemongering at all

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Tue 04/29/08 07:10 PM
Tancredo was appointed by the President (Reagan) to be the regional representative in Denver for the Department of Education. He stayed on from 1981 until 1992, through the first Bush administration, and pared the office's staff from 225 to only 60 employees. In 1993, he became president of the Independence Institute, a conservative think tank based in Golden, Colorado, serving there until his election to Congress. He was also a leader in the Colorado term limits movement. Id say hes not ignorant about education