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Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 01:13 PM
Well I pay taxes and I don't mind helping my fellow man out.It's the kids who really suffer.When I was young and had no kids living with me,I clawed my way back up from homelessness .Due to the ecomnomy and the high price of gas and food,many working class people are seeking food stamps etc.I myself have a housing subsidy due to the high rents in my area.I can't afford over 1000 dollars a month rent,sorry if that makes me a low life leech.Nobody I know who is on welfare owns boats and ****.Most don't have cars or TV.Just because some abuse the system,let's not stereotype the rest. then you help them, I don't feel it is my responsibility to pay for a social program. The majority who are on it abuse it. It was set up to be abused and keep a class of people contained Not true, your opinion.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 04/29/08 01:15 PM Edited by Winx on Tue 04/29/08 01:18 PM
Then what they are doing is against the law and they are NOT the majority. every illegal who enters this country is breaking the law, I agree. I cringe when I see them in St. Louis and driving with IL plates knowing that they got them in Fairmont City, IL. They have no insurance. My Hispanic friend has taught me about them. I see them driving too slow for fear of having an accident. I do wonder why the police won't do anything.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 01:16 PM
Way more citizens fraud the welfare then illegals do. does that make any sense???? illegal is illegal implying fraud, lying etc. what about those that get free medical???? They do not get free medical. If they go to a county hospital needing emergency care the hospital has the choice of serving them or not. But they get no medical from us otherwise. You would be surprised at how many of them actually pay their bills. I have seen it so I know. The hospitals bill them just like they do us and they actually pay. This is because someone here has illegally employed them here.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 04/29/08 01:19 PM
Well I pay taxes and I don't mind helping my fellow man out.It's the kids who really suffer.When I was young and had no kids living with me,I clawed my way back up from homelessness .Due to the ecomnomy and the high price of gas and food,many working class people are seeking food stamps etc.I myself have a housing subsidy due to the high rents in my area.I can't afford over 1000 dollars a month rent,sorry if that makes me a low life leech.Nobody I know who is on welfare owns boats and ****.Most don't have cars or TV.Just because some abuse the system,let's not stereotype the rest. then you help them, I don't feel it is my responsibility to pay for a social program. The majority who are on it abuse it. It was set up to be abused and keep a class of people contained Not true, your opinion. The majority do NOT abuse the system. That is a stereotype.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 04/29/08 01:20 PM Edited by Winx on Tue 04/29/08 01:22 PM
Rob, you are sounding so cold. Many hardworking families are only a paycheck away from being homeless. All it would take is one medical emergency.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 04/29/08 01:21 PM
Way more citizens fraud the welfare then illegals do. does that make any sense???? illegal is illegal implying fraud, lying etc. what about those that get free medical???? They do not get free medical. If they go to a county hospital needing emergency care the hospital has the choice of serving them or not. But they get no medical from us otherwise. You would be surprised at how many of them actually pay their bills. I have seen it so I know. The hospitals bill them just like they do us and they actually pay. This is because someone here has illegally employed them here. you are too funny. yes the hospitals have an obligation to treat them. if it's a private hospital...they pget them to where they can be transfered to a non-private hospital. I LIVE IN A BORDER STATE. it's bad enough we ahve to pay for he dead beats (which if you were following along...i said legals do it too) but we shouldn't have to pay for illegals. do you know how many cross the border in border states to give birth????? who do you think pays the bills for them...or if an illegal is sick???

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Tue 04/29/08 01:22 PM
Rob, you are sounding so cold. Many hardworking families are only a paycheck away from being homeless. All it would take is one medical emergency. the system was designed to abuse. Anyone who uses it is abusing it

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 04/29/08 01:24 PM
Way more citizens fraud the welfare then illegals do. does that make any sense???? illegal is illegal implying fraud, lying etc. what about those that get free medical???? They do not get free medical. If they go to a county hospital needing emergency care the hospital has the choice of serving them or not. But they get no medical from us otherwise. You would be surprised at how many of them actually pay their bills. I have seen it so I know. The hospitals bill them just like they do us and they actually pay. This is because someone here has illegally employed them here. http://www.house.state.tx.us/news/release.php?id=1626 that is about what texas tax payers pay for illegals

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Tue 04/29/08 01:24 PM
Rob, you are sounding so cold. Many hardworking families are only a paycheck away from being homeless. All it would take is one medical emergency. and that is their responsibility, not mine. People should be smarter with their situations. I am sorry I sound cold, I can give you a guarantee that I have given away more in charity in the past two years than anyone else on this site. I do that because I WANT to, not because I HAVE to

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 04/29/08 01:24 PM Edited by Winx on Tue 04/29/08 01:27 PM
Rob, you are sounding so cold. Many hardworking families are only a paycheck away from being homeless. All it would take is one medical emergency. the system was designed to abuse. Anyone who uses it is abusing it It is there for people that fall on hard times. They want to feed their children. Imagine if you had a stroke and were no longer able to work and all of your money went for the care of you. You were the breadearner and you have children. What would you do?

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Tue 04/29/08 01:24 PM
Way more citizens fraud the welfare then illegals do. does that make any sense???? illegal is illegal implying fraud, lying etc. what about those that get free medical???? They do not get free medical. If they go to a county hospital needing emergency care the hospital has the choice of serving them or not. But they get no medical from us otherwise. You would be surprised at how many of them actually pay their bills. I have seen it so I know. The hospitals bill them just like they do us and they actually pay. This is because someone here has illegally employed them here. http://www.house.state.tx.us/news/release.php?id=1626 that is about what texas tax payers pay for illegals that is just your opinion, it is not true

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Tue 04/29/08 01:25 PM
Rob, you are sounding so cold. Many hardworking families are only a paycheck away from being homeless. All it would take is one medical emergency. the system was designed to abuse. Anyone who uses it is abusing it It is there for people that fall on hard times. They want to feed their children. you cannot tell me a person on it for more than a month is not abusing. How can people keep pumping out units when they cannot afford to feed the ones they already have winx?

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 04/29/08 01:25 PM
Rob, you are sounding so cold. Many hardworking families are only a paycheck away from being homeless. All it would take is one medical emergency. the system was designed to abuse. Anyone who uses it is abusing it which is why it needs to be changed. trust me...i get why it pisses people off about the whole thing

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 01:27 PM
Way more citizens fraud the welfare then illegals do. does that make any sense???? illegal is illegal implying fraud, lying etc. what about those that get free medical???? They do not get free medical. If they go to a county hospital needing emergency care the hospital has the choice of serving them or not. But they get no medical from us otherwise. You would be surprised at how many of them actually pay their bills. I have seen it so I know. The hospitals bill them just like they do us and they actually pay. This is because someone here has illegally employed them here. you are too funny. yes the hospitals have an obligation to treat them. if it's a private hospital...they pget them to where they can be transfered to a non-private hospital. I LIVE IN A BORDER STATE. it's bad enough we ahve to pay for he dead beats (which if you were following along...i said legals do it too) but we shouldn't have to pay for illegals. do you know how many cross the border in border states to give birth????? who do you think pays the bills for them...or if an illegal is sick??? And the problem with the stats provided by legitimate government sites is that the indigent amount of cost to the hospitals is not broken into legal or illegal amounts, it is all lumped together so we really do not know the cost of the illegals in this case. There are way more citizens who do not pay their bills then their are illegals who do not pay is the reality here. But propaganda machines want us to believe that we are shelling out billions of dollars. When it isn't accurate.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 04/29/08 01:28 PM
rob...not true???? how so????? i've been to the border towns here. i know people that live there

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 01:29 PM
Rob, you are sounding so cold. Many hardworking families are only a paycheck away from being homeless. All it would take is one medical emergency. the system was designed to abuse. Anyone who uses it is abusing it which is why it needs to be changed. trust me...i get why it pisses people off about the whole thing It is still not true just a hatemongering tool used to make people be insensitive to others is all.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 04/29/08 01:32 PM
Rob, you are sounding so cold. Many hardworking families are only a paycheck away from being homeless. All it would take is one medical emergency. the system was designed to abuse. Anyone who uses it is abusing it It is there for people that fall on hard times. They want to feed their children. you cannot tell me a person on it for more than a month is not abusing. How can people keep pumping out units when they cannot afford to feed the ones they already have winx? They are the minority. They are ignorant girls that have no hope for the future. Education is the key to breaking that cycle. I know somebody on it. She got crippling arthritis at an early age. She has one child. She works when she can but finds it hard to keep a job when she has to take off when her fingers start curling up from the arthritis. Each situation is different.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 01:35 PM
Way more citizens fraud the welfare then illegals do. does that make any sense???? illegal is illegal implying fraud, lying etc. what about those that get free medical???? They do not get free medical. If they go to a county hospital needing emergency care the hospital has the choice of serving them or not. But they get no medical from us otherwise. You would be surprised at how many of them actually pay their bills. I have seen it so I know. The hospitals bill them just like they do us and they actually pay. This is because someone here has illegally employed them here. http://www.house.state.tx.us/news/release.php?id=1626 that is about what texas tax payers pay for illegals The cost to Texas is 4.7 mil per year and out of that the cost to educate illegal children is 4 mil, not alot of cost for hospitals and welfare etc... is it? Read it. Anyway, the real way to stop them from coming here is to stop people here from employing them. That is where the real problem lies.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/29/08 01:38 PM
Rob, you are sounding so cold. Many hardworking families are only a paycheck away from being homeless. All it would take is one medical emergency. the system was designed to abuse. Anyone who uses it is abusing it It is there for people that fall on hard times. They want to feed their children. you cannot tell me a person on it for more than a month is not abusing. How can people keep pumping out units when they cannot afford to feed the ones they already have winx? They are the minority. They are ignorant girls that have no hope for the future. Education is the key to breaking that cycle. I know somebody on it. She got crippling arthritis at an early age. She has one child. She works when she can but finds it hard to keep a job when she has to take off when her fingers start curling up from the arthritis. Each situation is different. Seeing other humans as humans and worthy of the rights and respects of humans is a start and then after that realize the different situations each person is in is unique and unlike your life and struggle. Take away the prejudice you were taught and continue to perpetuate and the world would be a better place to live.

cutelildevilsmom Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 8862	Tue 04/29/08 01:41 PM
Well I pay taxes and I don't mind helping my fellow man out.It's the kids who really suffer.When I was young and had no kids living with me,I clawed my way back up from homelessness .Due to the ecomnomy and the high price of gas and food,many working class people are seeking food stamps etc.I myself have a housing subsidy due to the high rents in my area.I can't afford over 1000 dollars a month rent,sorry if that makes me a low life leech.Nobody I know who is on welfare owns boats and ****.Most don't have cars or TV.Just because some abuse the system,let's not stereotype the rest. then you help them, I don't feel it is my responsibility to pay for a social program. The majority who are on it abuse it. It was set up to be abused and keep a class of people contained really?Because here you can only be on it 2 yrs and the put you into a job training program.I would rather pay for that,then feed ,educate and dress the criminals serving time in prison.People can be as responsible as hell and still have their world crash around them.Empathy is a lost art as far as I'm concerned.