You have no clue how true this is Spider.

I have often given this some really deep though,... what if the biblical God actually came to me in-person and said, "Ok James, I'll give you one last chance, if you confess your sins and ask for repentance I'll let you into my heaven, otherwise I'll strike you dead right here on the spot forever and ever.

First off, I think I'd just say, "Nice meeting you, strike away".

But let's pretend that I really did want to get into this God's heaven, what then could I come up with to appease this God who is in desperate need to hear repentances?

I can't very well lie and make things up. I'd have to come up with things that I've actually done that could be considered 'sins'.

After thinking about this for a while I did come up with a list, that had some petty things on it. Things that I personally don't consider to be bad, but that I've been taught might be bad according to the biblical law. So I wrote them all down.

I had to really scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with some pretty petty stuff.

And then I thought to myself,... would God really be this petty that he would need to have me scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to come up with petty sh*t to repent just so I can appease him????

I find this really hard to believe.

I think you’re right Spider. When it comes to the sin department I'm afraid that even the producers of soap operas wouldn't be interested in hearing about my sins. They’d laugh them off and go looking off for some real dirt.

So you're right. When it come to repentance, I'd definitely be in a bind. I'd have to confess to being imperfect and pray to God that this is a sin worthy of repentance.

I think a religion that has a God that can only be appease via repentance is a pretty lame idea. Where’s the love??? This God seems to be more interesting in watching people wallow in shame and disgrace than he is concerned with love.

Wouldn’t a better picture of a God be a God that came to me and simple said, “Dear James, show me all the great things that you’ve done”.

I’ll never understand this picture of a God who’s solely interested in having people grovel in shame.

The only path to the Christian God is through Sin.

What a dismal picture of a God.

No, that's not true. It wasn't a one time, do this now, commandment. It was a generalization to kill anyone anytime who preaches of any non-biblical Gods and destroy the village they came from. It wasn't a specific commandment to do this to one time to any specific person or village.

No such commandment.

Now you're just in denial.

There is no such commandment. I know which one you think says that and you are wrong on many counts. Abra, you are a smart guy. Please, don't just read those couple of verses, read that whole chapter and THINK about what you have read.

Unless a man's spiritual eyes are opened, the bible will appear to be a book of contradictions..........
also....
unless a man's spiritual eyes are opened, the Word when just read literally, will MISS the true spiritual depth and meaning of God's Word..and of course, the Word just won't make sense!!

Bits and pieces of the Word of God, should not be taken out of context , even when a Believer Reads God's Word......so therefore,how much more this should apply, with a NON-believer reads the Word!!

Sweet People here... listen....please listen closely now, to what I am about to share.
And I call you Sweeties.. ...simply because I love you all...and I understand where you are coming from.
I know you are just being sincere , when you say the bible doesn't make sense...and therefore don't believe!!!

But if you truly want to make sense of the bible...once and for all....And you REALLY REALLY want to Know the TRUTH???


You have to be BORN AGAIN , FOLKS!!!!
Cause there is NO OTHER WAY ......you are EVER EVER EVER ...GOING to MAKE SENSE of the WORD of GOD!!!!!!

So that is the reason I can understand WHY some of you think the way you do...it's because you haven't been born again yet.
Heck, if I weren't born again, the bible wouldn't make sense to me either!!!


But... for those who don't Beleive.....I have a Question for you.

Do You WANT to Know the Truth of God's Word...for REAL...and NOT just go by your own interpretation, anymore?

Then...just Ask Jesus to come into your heart..and MEAN it..and THEN , the Word Will FINALLY begin to Make Sense.

SIMPLE!!!
RIGHT??

EXACTLY!!!!!!

So what are you Waiting For???????

Like I say. There is no way I can lie to myself. The God of the Bible killed all the first born of Egypt just to punish one man. How many mothers were destroyed for life by losing their child. How many fathers became bitter and broken from losing there first born.
Explain how that is just me having a closed heart to the true message of God. You are the ones that are blind if you do not have empathy for a whole generation of men and woman that lost their first born.

SIMPLIFIED.......

The reason for the Old Testament was to PROVE man could NOT Keep God's Laws.

Hence the NEW Testament.

All mankind was born with a sin NATURE, Abra....after Adam and Eve sinned.

Even the tinest sin, God cannot look upon...hence the reason he sent JESUS.....Who BORE our sins, so we wouldn't now have to, anymore.

Now...THRU accepting Jesus, you NOW can have ACCESS to the Father...and can fellowship with God once more.....just like in the beginning, before Adam and Eve sinned.....

Simple.

What did those eqyptians do while all of the first born Israelites were murdered by Pharaoh?

A child is not held accountable...cause a child hasn't reached the age of accountability....to undersatand God's Word.

Those children are in heaven...including Pharoah's child, Rabbit.

Pharoah was given chance after chance after chance, to Let Moses and His People , Go.

Read the WHOLE Word..and ask God to give you HIS Understanding of God's Word,Rabbit..... and NOT just go by your own interpretation.
Which means, yuo must be Born again.....so Ask God to HELP you do this ,Rabbit...and God WILL.

Rabbit.....I know you are just being sincere about what you understand God's Word to be saying.......and that is why I can understand.

BUT again...there is MUCH MORE to the Word of God, than what appears on the surface.

The Word of God has to be RIGHTLY DIVIDED...and it takes spiritually opened eyes..to TRULY understand God's Word.
No other way.......


There is MUCH MORE to God's Word, than what APPEARS on the SURFACE of the WRITTEN Page.

you take it out of context abra.....you have to read in entirety......you can't just take one small piece of scripture and say....see kill all the heathens and children......pffftttt

Morning song said:




This kind of thinking is not logical. It assumes that God gets involved in war and that he has chosen favorites among the people of the earth.

I guess Christians believe this. I don't know why. God has only a chosen group of humans that he calls "his people."

I don't think so.

JB

If your living in heaven right now silly wabbit......I feel very very sorry for you......

Yes, I know what the story is. It’s just that it makes no sense on so many levels.

I’m not interested in any fellowship with the God described in the Bible.

I freely choose death. You people can go hang out with the biblical God.

I hope you enjoy your eternal servitude to him.

Tell your God I send thanks for giving me the right to choose death over servitude.

I do appreciate that I was given that free choice and I accept the gift of death over the gift of servitude.

That’s my final answer.

JB no offense but are you new.....Of course God had his chosen people.....The Jews are his chosen people.......God himself put into place the circumstances that would lead his people to victory.....Alot of them were fortold........What kills me about you guys.......don't believe the bible that is your choice....but please stop saying that it is wrong for us to believe....I for one happen to believe that ever word in the bible was inspired of God.....And for you to belittle that.........is just wrong...

Rhetorical nonsense. And not followed in any event, as witnessed by such deeds as these.

Moses was ordered by your god to commit genocide on the Midianites. When I brought this up last time, your answer was that every human ever born is god's to do with as he pleases. You saw nothing wrong with his chosen people enslaving (or worse) the young women and killing the young boys.

Mercy? Compassion?

Fast foward to today, to the people running this country to whom you constantly swear your unmitigated allegiance. Leviticus has some pretty nasty things to say about people who charge usurious rates on debts, yet the same compassionate and merciful people in the last Congress saw nothing wrong with interest rates in excess of 30% and no safety net for people who were nearly wiped out by staggering medical bills.

How full of Jesus was GWB when he signed those bills into law?

How full of the mercy and compassion of the Christ was the management of Wal-Mart when they tried to abscond with the settlement money of a poor lady who greviously injured in an auto accident and whose family needed the settlement money for her on-going care? Oh, it was technically nice and legal (The Law! The Law! All Mercy and Compassion!), and they would have gotten away with it, too, had the press shirked their duty to expose these things like they usually do.

Whereas Gibran said "Love is work made visible", *I* say the Law is often silent and quick like Oliver Twist when administered by people whose lust for power can never be quenched. So let's dispense with the bull and tell it like it *really* is whenever you have humans using a diety as a sock puppet to preach that they themselves don't follow. Or protest about when even that little dint of light and compassion forces it way past the almost constant state of denial to let a glimmer of fairplay shine in.

-Kerry

ummm, no, the reason for the second testament was the breaking away of radical jews and pagans that believed that Jesus was the messiah... ohh and when you go on preaching about understanding "gods" words, remember that the bible you are preaching from is King James version!!
you go beyond preachy and just fall into annoying condesendtion....

I imagin that they panic and weep and moan

If Pharo is not listening then kill Pharaoh. Not the innocent children of his people and servants. Even if you make yourself happy by saying all those corpses are not so bad because they went up to heaven (also nothing says that they were all children just first born) The real pain is in the people left behind. The subjects of the pharaoh that have done nothing. They all have the pain. I can only assume from all the tossed of answers I get to this that maybe Christians do not care that much for parenthood. Or people that grieve over their lost children. I feel so bad for all of them. I can't believe god did that.