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Wed 04/16/08 01:06 AM
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For those Interested, Here are the Different Names of God..... but of course, although many names, there is still ONLY ONE God.

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Introduction
Psalm 113:3 says: From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD'S name is to be praised



Many times in Scripture we are commanded to praise the NAME of the Lord.



Ps 8:1: O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.



Ps 29:2-- Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name;



Ps 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.

Ps 66:2 Sing forth the honour of his name: make his praise glorious.

Ps 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

Ps 103:1 ¶ <<A Psalm of David.>> Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.

Ps 135:3 Praise the LORD; for the LORD is good: sing praises unto his name; for it is pleasant.

Ps 145:21 My mouth shall speak the praise of the LORD: and let all flesh bless his holy name for ever and ever.

Ps 148:13 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.



Now why are we told to praise His Name?



In Bible times a name was never just a label you hung on somebody to keep from confusing him with someone else.



A name expressed the kind of person they were, or were hoped to become.



That's why God sometimes changed a man's name. He intended for the person's character to be reflected in his name.



So when He changed Simon to Peter, He said, in effect, "Don't see yourself as wishy-washy. You are a rock, a stone, firmly attached to the foundation stone (which is Christ).



Saul, "the asked for one" was humbled to Paul--"Little one"



Jacob "the supplanter" became Israel "who strives with God"



So, in the case of God Himself, He gives Himself names that are really extensions of Himself. His names reveal His nature and His character.



We will focus here on the compound names God has given himself, but first I want to briefly touch on four more general names He has given Himself.



These are all Hebrew words, of course.





Elohim
The first name we find of God in the Bible is Elohim. (Genesis 1:1). It is used over 2700 times in the Bible. The prefix "El" signifies "one who is great, mighty, dreadful." It is also a plural word that suggests the fact that God is a Holy Trinity--Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Some say that the word is related to the Hebrew word meaning "to swear" and implies the covenant nature of God. So the word Elohim might have meant to the Hebrews, "The great mighty three-in-one God who establishes and keeps covenant forever."



El Shaddai
El Shaddai (remember the song?) is another name for God. It is used 48 times in Scripture. It is always translated "The Almighty." The first time this name is used is in Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.



This was when God changed Abram's name to Abraham and promised that he would be the father of many nations.



Adonai
A 3rd name that God uses for Himself is Adonai. It occurs about 300 times in the O.T. This name suggests Lordship and ownership. When God calls Himself by this name, Adonai, He is saying, "I am the One who owns and rules over everthing that exists."



This is the name that Isaiah used in Chapter 6:1 when he wrote "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple."



His focus was on the truth that God owns and rules over all that exists.



Yahweh
But the most frequently used name for God is not Elohim, El Shaddai, or Adonai.



The most frequently used name for God is YAHWEH or Jehovah.



It occurs more than 6800 times in the Bible.



The greatest Jewish commentator on the O.T. of the Middle Ages, Moses Maimonides, said this about the name Jehovah (and it is a true statement), "All the names for God that occur in the Scriptures are derived from His works, except one, and that is Jehovah. And this is called the plain name because it teaches plainly and unequivocally of the substance of God."



The Word literally means "I Am." It comes from the verb which means "to be" or "to exist."



In Ex. 3:14, when Moses asked God what His name was so he could tell the Israelites who had sent him, we read, "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM [Yahweh, or Jehovah]: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."



Jehovah--The Eternal One. The Ever-Living One. The Self-Existent One.



He lives from Eternity past to Eternity future. And everything else that lives gets its life from Him.



The Compound Names
Now, the rest of the names I want us to consider are used in conjunction with this name Jehovah. They are compound names. You many wish to make a chain of these verses in your Bible with His name and it's meaning written in the margin.



We'll consider them in Biblical order, except for one, that I'll save for last.



Jehovah-Jireh
The first one, Jehovah Jireh is found in Genesis 22:14. It literally means "The Lord Provides." When God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac his son on Mount Moriah, Abraham immediately set out to obey. Abraham understood his covenant relationship with El Shaddai. He asks no questions. He simply proceeds to obey.



When Isaac asked "where is the sacrifice?" Abraham softly answered, "God will provide." His heart must have been breaking. And even though he totally trusted God, he must have felt some confusion and bewilderment.



Then, just as he raised the knife, the angel intervened. Abraham is shown a ram caught in a nearby thicket. And he cries out, "We will call the name of this place Jehovah Jireh!"



Can you catch a little bit of the incredible emotion of that moment?



My God provides for me! And we must remember that we will never have a need that the Eternal God does not know about. And He has called Himself, Jehovah Jireh, The Eternal God our Provider!



So when you have a need, why not call out to Him by His name, "Jehovah Jireh!" God, my Provider, I have a need!" We used to sing a little song that said, "Jehovah Jireh, my Provider, His grace is sufficient for me. My God shall supply all my needs according to His riches in Glory. He gives His angels charge over me, Jehovah Jireh cares for me."



Jehovah-Rophe
The Second compound name we come upon is Jehovah Rophe. It is in Exodus 15:26. It means "The Lord who Heals" In Ex 15:26 God said, "If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.



The word Rophe means to heal, restore, or cure. God doesn't just heal, God IS healing. He is constantly healing us, and really, all His creation.



Sometimes He heals dramatically and immediately. Sometimes He heals more slowly using doctors or medicine. But the healing process is a wonderful gift from our God, Jehovah Rophe.



So the next time you are physically, or emotionally, or otherwise sick, Why not call out to Jehovah Rophe? And begin to praise Him because He is God, your Healer.



Jehovah-Nissi
Then there is Jehovah Nissi. This is found in Exodus 17:15. It literally means "God, my Banner or God my Standard of Victory" In Exodus 17:15 Moses named an Altar he built after this name of God. ("And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi")



Here is the background. The Amalekites had refused to allow the Israelites to pass through their land, so they had to fight. Moses sent Joshua into the valley to fight the battle, while Moses stood on the mountain to hold high the rod of God. The rod was their "standard." In those days, and even now, a standard was used during a battle to give a sense of identity and a gathering point. It could be a flag, or a banner, or it could be only a high pole. But all the soldiers could see it. It represented victory.



So the next time that you are in heated spiritual warfare, remember that God is Jehovah Nissi. He is The Eternal God, your banner of Victory. We can praise Him with words like, "Thank you Jehovah Nissi, that You always give the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."



Jehovah-M'Kaddesh
Next, in Lev 20:8 we find the compound name, Jehovah M'Kaddesh.



" And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you"



Literally, "I am the Lord Who makes you Holy." Or "Who sets you apart for My Use."



The second part of this name, "M'kaddesh" was used to refer to the various parts of the temple which were sanctified, or set apart, for the worship of God.



Now in N.T. times, where is the temple of God?



WE are God's temples. And He is to us Jehovah-McKaddesh. He himself makes us holy--separates us apart for His use. He Sanctifies us.



So, the next time you feel unworthy to be used by God or unfit for service, remember it is not you who makes yourself worthy or fit to serve, it is Jehovah-M'kaddesh! God, our Holiness!



Jehovah-Shalom
The next name is found in Judges 6:24.



Here is the context. Israel was being oppressed by the Midianites. An Angel was sent from God to Gideon to remind him that the Lord was with him and that God was going to use Gideon to deliver Israel. At first, Gideon did not recognize the angel for who he was. And at first he argued with him.



When he finally did realize that he had been in the presence of an angel of God, he was terrified. He thought he might die. You and I would undoubtedly react the same way.



But God spoke peace to him in verse 23. And in verse 24 Gideon built an altar to the Lord and named it after this name of God, "Jehovah Shalom." "God is Peace!"



22 And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord GOD! for because I have seen an angel of the LORD face to face.

23 And the LORD said unto him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shalt not die.

24 Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it Jehovahshalom:



The Nation was at war with the Midianites--but Gideon learned that not only does God give peace, But God IS our peace.



And the next time you are in a time of stress, turmoil, fear, anxiety, tension, or worry, try praising Jehovah Shalom, God your Peace.



Now if you are making a chain as we go, I'm skipping over one in Psalms now. I'll come back to it in a minute. So if you want to keep the chain in Biblical order, you may want to wait to write the rest in your Bible until later.



Jehovah-Tsidkenu
So let's go to Jeremiah 23.



The background here is tragic. Josiah had instituted reforms and revival had come, but wickedness was still deeply entrenched. And spiritual leaders had lied to the people and scattered the flocks of God. But in verses 5 and 6 God promises a better day is coming. This is a prophecy of the coming Messiah.



5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.





In the Hebrew, The Lord Our Righteousness is Jehovah-Tsidkenu.



God is totally righteous. He demands righteousness in us. And He tells us in this verse that what He requires of us, He becomes to us.



In 1 Cor 1:30, we are told that Christ Jesus has become to us righteousness. And in Him we are declared to be righteous.



In 2 Cor 5:21 we read "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."



Now this is so important. Satan wins many victories when we do not realize that our God is Jehovah Tsidkenu.



When you have failed, when you have stumbled, when you have sinned against God, Satan will try to tell you that you are so unworthy and so weak and so guilty that you are inadequate and insufficient to do anything worthwhile in God's service.



We must learn to repent and confess our sin to God, and then to gladly accept that He is Jehovah Tsidkenu, God our Righteousness. He has declared us to be righteous. It is His gift. And we can go on boldly--not in our own righteousness, but in HIS.



Jehovah-Shammah
Next go to Ezek 48:35. It is the last verse in the book of Ezekiel.



The last part of the vision of Ezekiel was of a new city, with a new temple. It was to be glorious. And the last words of this verse tell us the name of the city. In Hebrew is is named a compound name of God--Jehovah-Shammah. He is "The Eternal God who is There."



Now where is God today? He is HERE! He is the God who is with us.



The fire that left the temple in Ezekiel's day returned on the day of Pentecost and rested on the heads of men and women who had just become temples of God Almighty.



And now, God is here. He has promised never to leave us. So the next time you feel all alone, remember who He is and praise Him as Jehovah-Shammah--The Eternal God who is here.



Jehovah-Rohi
Now let's go back to the one I skipped. It's in the 23rd Psalm. And you'll understand why I saved it for last.



The 23rd Psalm is an amazing Psalm. It is the favorite of many many people. And it begins with the words, "The Lord is my Shepherd." In the Hebrew it is "Jehovah-Rohi." The Eternal God is my shepherd.



He is our guide. He leads us. He feeds us. He comforts us. No other name of God carries the tenderness and intimacy of Jehovah-Rohi.



When we need to be reminded that the Lord is taking care of us, we can come to the 23rd Psalm and praise Him as Jehovah-Rohi.



But look closely at this brief Psalm. Let's read it together.



The LORD is my shepherd [He is Jehovah-Rohi--our shepherd]; I shall not want.

[What name does that remind you of? Jehovah-Jireh--our provider!]

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters [Jehovah-Shalom-our peace!].

3 He restoreth my soul [Jehovah-Rophe--our Healer!]: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake [Jehovah-Tsidkenu--our righteousness!].

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me [Jehovah-Shammah--He is There!]; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies [Jehovah-Nissi--our Standard of Victory]: thou anointest my head with oil [Jehovah-M'Kaddesh--our Holiness; our sanctification]; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.



What a wonderful, amazing God we serve! He has given us all these names, to remind us of His character--of Who He is.



So I'd like to encourage and challenge you to learn these names of God. And use them when you are alone with Him as an expression of praise to Him. You will find that using these awesome names of God will draw you into closer and more intimate fellowship with our wonderful, all-loving, all-wise, all-powerful heavenly Father.


by Steve Hall
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Wed 04/16/08 05:47 AM

I did not realize you were Jewish.

Anyway, in the Church the wine represents the blood of Christ, and the bread represents the flesh of Christ.

I have heard this many times.

JB


Jesus was making an analogy...to take it to his blood and his flesh is to only get it half right.

Blood = wine = good things in life
Flesh = bread = salvation

It's important to understand the symbolism in what Jesus said. When the people were waiting to be fed again, Jesus said "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" The Jews had very strong cultural aversion to cannibalism, so this drove away most of Jesus' followers. Those who stayed didn't understand until Jesus showed them. To the Jews, eating symbolized taking something from outside and making it a part of your very being. So they avoid pork because it's an unclean animal, thinking that the pork will become part of their being. Once you know the symbology behind what Jesus said, it becomes clear what Jesus was communicating.

If you accept my sacrifice to the deepest part of your being, you will receive the good things in life and salvation. The eating of the bread and wine is a reminder that just like the bread and wine become a part of your body, so too much Jesus' sacrifice.

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Wed 04/16/08 09:24 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 04/16/08 09:47 AM
The Blood removed the accuser of the brethren from heaven. The Blood purchased and protects me. I belong to God , no longer to satan. Now my function is to proclaim who and what I am in Christ Jesus and what His Blood has done for me.



This quote is from the second link Morningsong gave me.

I see here the implication that humans were considered to be owned by 'Satan.'

A bargain was struck and lives were spared in exchange for the sacrifice.

Apparently we are owned by these other-worldly beings and subject to their ancient laws. Apparently we had been found guilty of sin and disobedience and were about to be put to death.

Then we were purchased by the blood of the opposing side.

This is certainly a strange universe we live in, run by strange beings.

But who am I to complain? I am just a slave apparently. bigsmile

JB


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Wed 04/16/08 09:26 AM
Edited by feralcatlady on Wed 04/16/08 09:28 AM
You just don't get it.......My entire being and what I believe is based on His LOVE for me, for all. My life and my beliefs are based on what He wants for my life and to follow that narrow path until I will be home with him. And like I have said at least a million times.....The all and all is not my religion it is my personal relationship with the Lord God. And I do not pay for my sins as Christ died so that I can have salvation and he takes the sin of the World....That is why his Father had to turn away from him in the last moments....because the sin of the world was so great and he just couldn't bear it......And Yes God could of snatched him up before it all happen.....But Christ made the choice....as all of the world now has to make the choice to believe or not...

And yes communion is very important to me as a remembrance of what Christ did.....This is something that Christ himself did with his disciples at the last supper.......He took the bread and said...."This is my body, eat it in remembrance of me." He then took the wine and said "This is my blood, drink it in remembrance of me." I cry and thank him from the bottom of my heart each and every time I take communion.

It's is not out of need that we do communion it is out of love and respect, and remembrance to the Lord Christ.

And how can you be bothered by something that you truly don't understand. Because if you did.......it would be an honor as it is for me at least 3 times a month......Just like when we worship and sing to the Lord......It's for him, and to praise and worship for what he did for us.

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Wed 04/16/08 09:45 AM
And how can you be bothered by something that you truly don't understand. Because if you did.......it would be an honor as it is for me at least 3 times a month......Just like when we worship and sing to the Lord......It's for him, and to praise and worship for what he did for us.



Did I say that I was bothered by it? I don't remember saying that, but perhaps I am.

If I am, it is only because I do not like violence and cruelty. I do not understand it.

You are correct in that I do not understand. What do you think I am asking all these questions for?

I know what people say happened. I don't understand the reason for the law or why the law would allow one person to pay the price for the crimes of another.

It only makes sense under the idea that we are actually slaves,and we are owned by someone ~~other worldly beings (you call them gods or god and Satan)~~

As slaves (or pets) we live under their law of obedience. To disobey is called a sin and the punishment is death. if the master so chooses.

(It is like a man who decides to shoot his dog who is unruly and disobedient.)

Is it not? Have you not been purchased by the blood? Are you not owned by your God who is now your new master?

JB

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Wed 04/16/08 10:13 AM


I did not realize you were Jewish.

Anyway, in the Church the wine represents the blood of Christ, and the bread represents the flesh of Christ.

I have heard this many times.

JB


Jesus was making an analogy...to take it to his blood and his flesh is to only get it half right.

Blood = wine = good things in life
Flesh = bread = salvation

It's important to understand the symbolism in what Jesus said. When the people were waiting to be fed again, Jesus said "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" The Jews had very strong cultural aversion to cannibalism, so this drove away most of Jesus' followers. Those who stayed didn't understand until Jesus showed them. To the Jews, eating symbolized taking something from outside and making it a part of your very being. So they avoid pork because it's an unclean animal, thinking that the pork will become part of their being. Once you know the symbology behind what Jesus said, it becomes clear what Jesus was communicating.

If you accept my sacrifice to the deepest part of your being, you will receive the good things in life and salvation. The eating of the bread and wine is a reminder that just like the bread and wine become a part of your body, so too much Jesus' sacrifice


So if God loves to use symbolism so much then surely you can see that the 7 days of creation is symbolism for the billions of years it actually took.

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Wed 04/16/08 10:19 AM

So if God loves to use symbolism so much then surely you can see that the 7 days of creation is symbolism for the billions of years it actually took.


I wasn't talking about God, I was talking about the Jews. And there is no symbolism in Jewish culture for seven days. It's just seven days.

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Wed 04/16/08 10:22 AM
So if God loves to use symbolism so much then surely you can see that the 7 days of creation is symbolism for the billions of years it actually took.


if you read David Icke's "The Biggest Secret" He claims that the Gallaxy beings (Non Human intelligent Life Forms who live in this Milky Way Galaxy) love symbolism and ritual.

They also practice conquest and slavery.

JB

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Wed 04/16/08 10:25 AM


So if God loves to use symbolism so much then surely you can see that the 7 days of creation is symbolism for the billions of years it actually took.


I wasn't talking about God, I was talking about the Jews. And there is no symbolism in Jewish culture for seven days. It's just seven days.


A day is dependent upon it's frame of reference. It probably does not mean one earth day.... because the earth did not even exist then right?

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Wed 04/16/08 10:28 AM



So if God loves to use symbolism so much then surely you can see that the 7 days of creation is symbolism for the billions of years it actually took.


I wasn't talking about God, I was talking about the Jews. And there is no symbolism in Jewish culture for seven days. It's just seven days.


A day is dependent upon it's frame of reference. It probably does not mean one earth day.... because the earth did not even exist then right?


According to the Bible, the earth did exist then.

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Wed 04/16/08 10:32 AM




So if God loves to use symbolism so much then surely you can see that the 7 days of creation is symbolism for the billions of years it actually took.


I wasn't talking about God, I was talking about the Jews. And there is no symbolism in Jewish culture for seven days. It's just seven days.


A day is dependent upon it's frame of reference. It probably does not mean one earth day.... because the earth did not even exist then right?


According to the Bible, the earth did exist then.


How do you figure that?? There was not even light until God said " Let there be light"

In the beginning was the word.


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Wed 04/16/08 10:41 AM

How do you figure that?? There was not even light until God said " Let there be light"

In the beginning was the word.


Genesis 1:1-5

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

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Wed 04/16/08 10:46 AM
I am having computer issues which is why I haven't been on in a while. but I want to say...the Old Testament is a teaching BEFORE Jesus came. The New Testament isn't the same practices as the Old. The basis for most any religion is to do good unto others. I believe MY God is my Father. Just like I am my son's mom...there are times he has to learn things for himself and maybe even fall. If I gave him everything and did everything for him...what kind of man would he be? IMO it's the same with christianity. I'm sure that it was forced on some during their life, but NOT everyone in christianity forces views. My son has a choice. I may not like all of his choices in life....but he has to make them and accept what ever the outcome...good or bad.

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Wed 04/16/08 10:49 AM
i was wondering where my texan friend had got too lol..was worried hunflowerforyou

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Wed 04/16/08 11:05 AM
And the earth was without form


There you go. They couldn't possibly have been earth days then because the earth was without form. flowerforyou

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Wed 04/16/08 11:05 AM

Genesis 1:1-5

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


So the earth was not already there if God created it. The Heaven was not even there.

So God's "days" would not depend upon one single rotation of a single tiny planet in the vast universe of billions of stars and galaxies.

If you really believe that literally you might want to reconsider your options.


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Wed 04/16/08 11:15 AM
I don't understand the reason for the law or why the law would allow one person to pay the price for the crimes of another.


I’m in total agree with you Jeanniebean.

Even within the story is makes no sense for Jesus blood to pay for the sins of man. All that implies is that God is bloodthirsty and doesn’t care where the blood comes from. All the God is interested in is blood to appease it.

Moreover, it’s totally senseless to have a God appeasing itself with its own blood.

I don’t care what anyone says, from a realistic point of view this myth makes absolutely no sense at all. It just implies a God that is appeased by the shedding of blood which is a common theme in almost all ancient mythologies. A lot of ancient Gods were appeased by the shedding of blood. That’s a very common manmade superstition right there. Even religions from the far reaches of the world that weren’t even related to the Mediterranean area appeased their God via the shedding of blood. This is a very common superstition. It probably arose from the fact that when blood is spilled it means death, so it would be natural to equate blood as being a life-giving fluid and thus having mystical or divine properties.

The idea that my sins can be ‘washed away’ by the blood of a crucified deity is absurd to me.

A God who is appeased by the shedding of his OWN blood???

This makes sense to people???

It’s like God has given up on man because he’s so sinful and so God says, “Oh wait, I have an idea. Why don’t you take my only begotten son and crucify him in a gory way and then I can forgive you your sins?’

What????

This story makes no sense in terms of any sanity at all. It’s a totally insane picture.

It’s also problematic with respect to the great flood.

If Jesus was around at the time of creation (like many claim) then what’s with the great flood? Why wasn’t Jesus sent at that time to die for the sins of man? The story overall makes no sense. The plot to have a savior come and die for the sins of man, flies in the face of the idea that God would have had to drown out all of civilization prior to that. It’s an inconsistent plot with too many unrelated side-tracks that don’t fit in with the overall plan.

It’s like this God is experimenting with different types of solutions along the way to try to keep his unruly creation under control. He even created a rainbow at that time as a convenient to say, “Oops! That wasn’t a very good solution, I won’t try that one again”.

Moreover, if we view this as a war between God and a fallen angel than God is cheating at the game.

Clearly Satan WON at the time of the great flood! He was probably jumping up and down with joy, screaming at God, “I win! I win!”

But then God says, “No,… I’m going to take these couple of people over here that you haven’t quite gotten to yet, and drown all the one’s you’ve won, and we’re going to start all over again anew”.

Satan was probably screaming, “Oh no! You lost! Why don’t you just admit it! I can corrupt those few people just give me a little more time, I’ve got this game won!”

The whole idea that God is at war with a fallen angel just fell all to pieces with the great flood. Clearly God cheats at the game and refused to allow Satan to win by drowning all the souls that sided with him.

The story makes absolutely no sense at all. It’s ancient Mediterranean mythology, and nothing more.

It contradicts it’s own major themes all the time. ohwell

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Wed 04/16/08 11:33 AM
Actually the story, together with other information I have looked at is starting to make sense.

We are slaves, owned by someone. (They are still fighting over who owns us, because we are more than just bodies.) There is a lot more to this story but it is not for this forum.

JB

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Wed 04/16/08 12:28 PM
If you commit a crime and you are fined a sum of money, the courts don't care where the money comes from, as long as the fine is paid. If you were caught speeding, a complete stranger could pay your traffic ticket and the court / government doesn't care. If humans can do that, you don't think God could also?