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I'm not trying to start anything... Neo is another word for new. So to call you a neocon is to say you once was a liberal and switched sides. A theocrat is someone who believes that society should be run by the clergy. Both the PTL and Christian Coalition are theocratic in nature, but relatively new on the political conservative stage. The irony is... Conservatism speaks of less government, less State power, less intrusiveness... Neotheocratic thinking, which can sometimes be made to look like conservatism in theory.. does anything but conservative, in practice. By the by.. I believe neotheocrat is not really a word... But it does seem to fit in this line of discussion. Goodness, my son just stopped by to inquire of the funeral arrangements for my neighbor. Read your post and RAN out. My son knows his mother's reactions. NEVER call me or imply that I am or may have been an ungodly liberal  They drive me to the brink of insanity. "Conservatism" - I believe in small government, low taxes, less spending, family values, moral values compassion. That is me and how I approach life. "A theocrat is someone who believes that society should be run by the clergy. Both the PTL and Christian Coalition are theocratic in nature" YOU could not be MORE WRONG.  PTL simply means Praise The Lord! The Christian Coaltion, of which I am a member, believes that the Church should NOT run the government and the government should NOT run the Church. BUT, it definitely believes that God should NOT be taken out of the lives and decision making of our government and political leaders. I do not know where you get your information on Christianity. I checked your profile so that I could see where you are coming from but in the Religion section you have 'no answer." Thus, I cannot figure out your mindset. Lindyy 
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Warmachine:
I just told you, I do not like the way he presents himself and many of his views, and then he has views that I agree with. I did not say he was disrespectful, I just find him abrasive. My own personal opinion of him. That is all. Lindyy
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Edited by
mnhiker
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I'm not trying to start anything... Neo is another word for new. So to call you a neocon is to say you once was a liberal and switched sides. A theocrat is someone who believes that society should be run by the clergy. Both the PTL and Christian Coalition are theocratic in nature, but relatively new on the political conservative stage. The irony is... Conservatism speaks of less government, less State power, less intrusiveness... Neotheocratic thinking, which can sometimes be made to look like conservatism in theory.. does anything but conservative, in practice. By the by.. I believe neotheocrat is not really a word... But it does seem to fit in this line of discussion. Goodness, my son just stopped by to inquire of the funeral arrangements for my neighbor. Read your post and RAN out. My son knows his mother's reactions. NEVER call me or imply that I am or may have been an ungodly liberal They drive me to the brink of insanity. "Conservatism" - I believe in small government, low taxes, less spending, family values, moral values compassion. That is me and how I approach life. "A theocrat is someone who believes that society should be run by the clergy. Both the PTL and Christian Coalition are theocratic in nature" YOU could not be MORE WRONG. PTL simply means Praise The Lord! The Christian Coaltion, of which I am a member, believes that the Church should NOT run the government and the government should NOT run the Church. BUT, it definitely believes that God should NOT be taken out of the lives and decision making of our government and political leaders. I do not know where you get your information on Christianity. I checked your profile so that I could see where you are coming from but in the Religion section you have 'no answer." Thus, I cannot figure out your mindset. Lindyy Lindyy, I agree with you on many issues. The execution of these issues and who they apply to we might disagree on. I believe in leaner government, more State power (the federal government has too much), tax fairness (those making under $100,000 a year are heavily taxed disproportionate to their incomes), basic family values (though the government has no business telling you what family values you should have), a basic sense of ethical behavior, less intrusiveness into people's private lives and compassion for those less fortunate. I also believe in the separation of Church and State. One of the reasons people emigrated to this country was to escape religious persecution. The government should never promote any particular faith and vice versa. |
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I never made a comment on Christianity at large.
As for my beliefs? They are not relevant. If they were? I'd probably speak on them. However.. since you are consistently bringing into these debates your beliefs and how they ring very true to the PTL Club and Christian Coalition template.. Yours are. To think that the Christian Coalition represents all Christians? As you must.. because somehow you managed to think I was talking about all Christians simply because I mentioned the Christian Coalition... Is a pretty dim view of your reality. The coalition is made up of a number of evangelical Christians which include Jerry Falwell, Jim Baker, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart... and many more... They are a political advocacy group, a lobby, and despite their hiding behind the Church... Have become a powerful political force lead by clergy. So much so...that in 1999, it lost it's tax exempt status as a social welfare organization, because they were up to their necks in partisan politics. They have their hands in all levels of government from school boards to the administration. Call it what you like... But the Christian Coalition is second to none in political placement and power... Unless you consider Israel. |
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Fanta46
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I never made a comment on Christianity at large. As for my beliefs? They are not relevant. If they were? I'd probably speak on them. However.. since you are consistently bringing into these debates your beliefs and how they ring very true to the PTL Club and Christian Coalition template.. Yours are. To think that the Christian Coalition represents all Christians? As you must.. because somehow you managed to think I was talking about all Christians simply because I mentioned the Christian Coalition... Is a pretty dim view of your reality. The coalition is made up of a number of evangelical Christians which include Jerry Falwell, Jim Baker, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart... and many more... They are a political advocacy group, a lobby, and despite their hiding behind the Church... Have become a powerful political force lead by clergy. So much so...that in 1999, it lost it's tax exempt status as a social welfare organization, because they were up to their necks in partisan politics. They have their hands in all levels of government from school boards to the administration. Call it what you like... But the Christian Coalition is second to none in political placement and power... Unless you consider Israel. Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I voted for Pat Robertson once! |
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I saw him healin' folks and thought WOW, Universal Health care!!!
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Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I voted for Pat Rbertson once! Exactly.. The founder of the Christian Coalition ran for President.. Yet they... The Christian Coalition, of which I am a member, believes that the Church should NOT run the government and the government should NOT run the Church. BUT, it definitely believes that God should NOT be taken out of the lives and decision making of our government and political leaders. Not to mention funding several lobbies, holding many legislative positions and seats on courts on both State and Federal levels.... Yea.. Saying they believe in the separation of Church and State? Sounds like so much lip service to me! The last thing on these guys minds is equality. Less intrusive? Less power? Less Government? Then how come they want to amend the Constitution to say I can't marry whomever I might want to...and many, many other issues. Family values? My ass... Every one of their leaders has been under heavy scrutiny for some deviant behavior or another... Including ripping off their own constituency. |
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I never made a comment on Christianity at large. As for my beliefs? They are not relevant. If they were? I'd probably speak on them. However.. since you are consistently bringing into these debates your beliefs and how they ring very true to the PTL Club and Christian Coalition template.. Yours are. To think that the Christian Coalition represents all Christians? As you must.. because somehow you managed to think I was talking about all Christians simply because I mentioned the Christian Coalition... Is a pretty dim view of your reality. The coalition is made up of a number of evangelical Christians which include Jerry Falwell, Jim Baker, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart... and many more... They are a political advocacy group, a lobby, and despite their hiding behind the Church... Have become a powerful political force lead by clergy. So much so...that in 1999, it lost it's tax exempt status as a social welfare organization, because they were up to their necks in partisan politics. They have their hands in all levels of government from school boards to the administration. Call it what you like... But the Christian Coalition is second to none in political placement and power... Unless you consider Israel. Jistme: The PTL Club does not exist, has not for umpteen years. PTL means Praise The Lord. It is My right to bring my faith into my posts. I do have a right to the First Amendment. I approach all things in life via my Christian faith. This makes some people unconfortable, but oh, well. The way other people post/view things make me uncomfortable, oh, well. The Christian Coalition is VERY powerful and a good thing at that. It was formed because Christians were NOT being heard or represented and we got tired of being pushed aside. Certain people are upset over that, again, oh, well. The Christian Coalition speaks for the majority (not all) of Christians, as some are just too 'lazy' to speak up, sad, but true. If you were involved in the Christian faith, your remarks about this would be totally different. Are you fearing the fact that the Evangelicals just might get out in full force again as it did for President Bush? With the two (2) democrat candidates, they just might! My main reason for supporting Senator McCain is that he has always been pro-life. God Bless him! Our country started falling apart when God was taken out of eveything. I remember when in school, my homeroom teacher started the day off reading scripture from the Bible, we said the pledge of allegience. LOOK AT THE SCHOOLS TODAY. The violence and discord did not take place when God was in the school rooms.  Lindyy PTL
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Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I voted for Pat Rbertson once! Exactly.. The founder of the Christian Coalition ran for President.. Yet they... From the The Christian Coalition website: About Us Thank you for visiting the Christian Coalition of America's website. You have come to the home of the largest and most active conservative grassroots political organization in America. The Christian Coalition of America offers people of faith the vehicle to be actively involved in shaping their government - from the County Courthouse to the halls of Congress. Today, Americans are bombarded with countless political messages from across the ideological spectrum. Because of this, it is becoming increasingly difficult to separate truth from fiction and right from wrong. The Christian Coalition of America is committed to representing the pro-family agenda and educating America on the critical issues facing our society. Whether it is the fight to end Partial Birth Abortion or efforts to improve education or lower the family's tax burden, the Christian Coalition stands ready and able to work for you. Our hallmark work lies in voter education. Prior to the November election the Christian Coalition of America distributed a record 70 million voter guides throughout all 50 states. These non-partisan guides gave voters a clear understanding of where various candidates stood on the issues important to them. With this knowledge, millions of voters went to polls ready to make their voices heard. Our efforts, however, do not stop with voter guides. We actively lobby Congress and the White House on numerous issues, hold grassroots training schools around the country, host events all around the country and in Washington that draw thousands of pro-family supporters from around the nation and organize community activists regarding issues facing their local government. If you are interested in having a positive pro-family impact on your government, the Christian Coalition of America is your organization. Please take some time to investigate the numerous resources this web site offers. Your involvement is paramount to our efforts. After deciding how you want to be involved, please contact us by letter, phone or email so we can send you the information you need to be successful. In politics, every voice counts. The Christian Coalition was founded in 1989 as a means towards helping to give Christians a voice in their government again. We represent a growing group of over 2 million people of faith all across America. Our Mission Represent the pro-family point of view before local councils, school boards, state legislatures and Congress Speak out in the public arena and in the media Train leaders for effective social and political action Inform pro-family voters about timely issues and legislation Protest anti-Christianity bigotry and defend the rights of people of faith What We Believe Christian Coalition of America is a political organization, made up of pro-family Americans who care deeply about becoming active citizens for the purpose of guaranteeing that government acts in ways that strengthen, rather than threaten, families. As such, we work together with Christians of all denominations, as well as with other Americans who agree with our mission and with our ideals. Today, Christians need to play an active role in government again like never before. If we are going to be able to change policy and influence decisions - from the school boards to Washington, DC - it is imperative that people of faith become committed to doing what Ronald Reagan called "the hard work of freedom". We are driven by the belief that people of faith have a right and a responsibility to be involved in the world around them. That involvement includes community, social and political action. Effective citizen activism begins with knowledge - and the Christian Coalition's ability to break down the complexities of politics and convey those issues clearly is what makes us different. Since its inception, the Christian Coalition has worked to provide critical education and information to the pro-family community in order to challenge and equip individuals and churches to make a difference at all levels of government. To that end, we continuously work to identify, educate and mobilize Christians for effective political action! Such action will preserve, protect and defend the Judeo-Christian values that made this the greatest country in history. Hope some of you are now better educated on the Christian Coalition. Remember, we Christians have our RIGHTS TOO!!! Lindyy |
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The Christian Coalition speaks for the majority (not all) of Christians, as some are just too 'lazy' to speak up, sad, but true. If you were involved in the Christian faith, your remarks about this would be totally different.  I consider myself a Christian but the Christian Coalition does NOT speak for me. I'm sure the majority of other Christians who are not Evangelicals would agree. Evangelical Churches have their own kind of Christianity which is sometimes different from other Christian churches. To say that Evangelicals speak for the majority of Christians is like saying the Pope speaks for the Lutheran Church.
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Y'all do realize I was joking.
Vote for Pat? I
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The Christian Coalition speaks for the majority (not all) of Christians, as some are just too 'lazy' to speak up, sad, but true. If you were involved in the Christian faith, your remarks about this would be totally different. I consider myself a Christian but the Christian Coalition does NOT speak for me. I'm sure the majority of other Christians who are not Evangelicals would agree. Evangelical Churches have their own kind of Christianity which is sometimes different from other Christian churches. To say that Evangelicals speak for the majority of Christians is like saying the Pope speaks for the Lutheran Church. Maybe I should have said Protestant Christians. Evangelicals do not have their OWN kind of Christianity, Evangelicals spread the word of the Gospel, each Protest denomination be it Methodist, Luthern, Baptist, Presbyterian, Independent, Assembly of God, etc., all all Christian, they just have some DOCTRINE (ex. baptism, communion) that they differ on just like Protestants as a whole, differ on Catholic church doctrine, but they all have something in common - the belief that Jesus Christ is our Saviour, the son of God and the presence and power of the Holy Spirit. And, that is the main thing. I feel we should all forget about our 'differences' and concentrate on what we AGREE on. Who knows, God may be up there looking down at us arguing over who is right, and shaking His head saying, "My children, my children, this is not what I want you to be doing." Lindyy
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Y'all do realize I was joking. Vote for Pat? I NOPE fanta, I am holding you to this Lindyy
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The Christian Coalition speaks for the majority (not all) of Christians, as some are just too 'lazy' to speak up, sad, but true. If you were involved in the Christian faith, your remarks about this would be totally different. I consider myself a Christian but the Christian Coalition does NOT speak for me. I'm sure the majority of other Christians who are not Evangelicals would agree. Evangelical Churches have their own kind of Christianity which is sometimes different from other Christian churches. To say that Evangelicals speak for the majority of Christians is like saying the Pope speaks for the Lutheran Church. Maybe I should have said Protestant Christians. Evangelicals do not have their OWN kind of Christianity, Evangelicals spread the word of the Gospel, each Protest denomination be it Methodist, Luthern, Baptist, Presbyterian, Independent, Assembly of God, etc., all all Christian, they just have some DOCTRINE (ex. baptism, communion) that they differ on just like Protestants as a whole, differ on Catholic church doctrine, but they all have something in common - the belief that Jesus Christ is our Saviour, the son of God and the presence and power of the Holy Spirit. And, that is the main thing. I feel we should all forget about our 'differences' and concentrate on what we AGREE on. Who knows, God may be up there looking down at us arguing over who is right, and shaking His head saying, "My children, my children, this is not what I want you to be doing." Lindyy Well that may be true, but the Evangelicals don't represent all Christian religions politically. |
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The Prosecution has presented a formidable Indictment against the Defendant, George Walker Bush, President of the United States and Commander -in-Chief of US military forces for serious crimes ; waging a war of aggression on Afghanistan, war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Afghan people, against prisoners of war ; and the use of radioactive depleted uranium weapons of mass destruction , against the people of Afghanistan ; with serious fall out effects on the military personnel of the United States ,UK and other forces deployed ; and on countries, in and around the region . http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Afghanistan-Criminal-Tribunal10mar04.htm YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING Not connected to afganistan, Not the doings of osama bin ladin, So the tape of him saying that he and alquida did it is not enough. Give me a break people. How is afganistan not connected to alquida, who the heck to they think were shooting at out guys. This "document" is the biggest joke in existance. You have the group that we went after claim responsibility for 9/11 and make more threats since then directly refrencing what they did on 911 and they say its not enough, please enlighten me as to what they want becouse it cirtenly is not the truth. Madman even you cannot be entertaining this nonsence. Iraq I will give you there were also personal reasons for him to want to go in and when the war spilt over to iraq he got his opertunity but afganistan was were alqueda has been this whole time and was there original main operations point. |
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The Prosecution has presented a formidable Indictment against the Defendant, George Walker Bush, President of the United States and Commander -in-Chief of US military forces for serious crimes ; waging a war of aggression on Afghanistan, war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Afghan people, against prisoners of war ; and the use of radioactive depleted uranium weapons of mass destruction , against the people of Afghanistan ; with serious fall out effects on the military personnel of the United States ,UK and other forces deployed ; and on countries, in and around the region . http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Afghanistan-Criminal-Tribunal10mar04.htm YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING Not connected to afganistan, Not the doings of osama bin ladin, So the tape of him saying that he and alquida did it is not enough. Give me a break people. How is afganistan not connected to alquida, who the heck to they think were shooting at out guys. This "document" is the biggest joke in existance. You have the group that we went after claim responsibility for 9/11 and make more threats since then directly refrencing what they did on 911 and they say its not enough, please enlighten me as to what they want becouse it cirtenly is not the truth. Madman even you cannot be entertaining this nonsence. Iraq I will give you there were also personal reasons for him to want to go in and when the war spilt over to iraq he got his opertunity but afganistan was were alqueda has been this whole time and was there original main operations point. Um, shouldn't they insert 'Iraq' in place of Afghanistan? 
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The Prosecution has presented a formidable Indictment against the Defendant, George Walker Bush, President of the United States and Commander -in-Chief of US military forces for serious crimes ; waging a war of aggression on Afghanistan, war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Afghan people, against prisoners of war ; and the use of radioactive depleted uranium weapons of mass destruction , against the people of Afghanistan ; with serious fall out effects on the military personnel of the United States ,UK and other forces deployed ; and on countries, in and around the region . http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Afghanistan-Criminal-Tribunal10mar04.htm YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING Not connected to afganistan, Not the doings of osama bin ladin, So the tape of him saying that he and alquida did it is not enough. Give me a break people. How is afganistan not connected to alquida, who the heck to they think were shooting at out guys. This "document" is the biggest joke in existance. You have the group that we went after claim responsibility for 9/11 and make more threats since then directly refrencing what they did on 911 and they say its not enough, please enlighten me as to what they want becouse it cirtenly is not the truth. Madman even you cannot be entertaining this nonsence. Iraq I will give you there were also personal reasons for him to want to go in and when the war spilt over to iraq he got his opertunity but afganistan was were alqueda has been this whole time and was there original main operations point. Um, shouldn't they insert 'Iraq' in place of Afghanistan? It honestly dosent matter. If you look half of that "document" is about the weapons we use. The DU rounds they are talking about is the rounds for our A-10 thunderbolt's and certian tank rounds, all of which are only used when you are dealing with a hardened aponet, IE close air support for the A-10 and other tanks and hardened bunkers for the tank rounds. If it is a soft target they call in apache gunships or C-130 spooky/specter gunship. There is not one weapon in that document that has not been used before and nobody said one word about it. Why, becouse it works and to make a better/safer round is just not posible right now and not have to fire countless more rounds to do the same job. We used the same weapons in the gulf war and every military conflict since there invention. If there was a long term effect then they would have already made a big deal out of it and they would have stoped making it. Another thing that would never make this stick is that if they actualy tried him they would have to try the governments of several other countrys. |
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Edited by
madisonman
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they have been talking about DU for long time, it is under reported by our corperate media a few minuts of googling is all it takes to get a vast amount of infomation about it. Sorry I am missing all the fun but with my son in baseball and my daughter in track I have been verry busy http://www.chugoku-np.co.jp/abom/uran/index_e.html
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Well...read this thread when it started. Once again, the Camelotians have adjusted their world to fit what they deem it 'should be' Do you watch MythBusters religiously? "I reject your reality, and substitute my own"
1)The trials you speak of were established with the authority to "punishment of the major war criminals of the European Axis countries" (London Charter, Aug 8, 1945) the legitimacy and jurisdiction of the proceedings was established by the Instrument of Surrender, signed by Admiral Doentz, acting at the Reich President. (May 7, 1945) Which means, Madison, your first failure was in not establishing under which jurisdiction you would file your charges. Since the London Charter restricts the International Military Tribunal to **EUROPEAN AXIS** countries, and the Instrument of Surrender is the one that actually gave the jurisdiction to *GERMAN* areas, not U.S. - and President Bush happens to be American, congrats, case dismissed from court, as it has no jurisdiction in these matters. Second, should you find a proper jurisdiction for these charges, you fail to delineate the charges, *SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE CHARGES* and how you proclaim the accused met these specifications. Let me give you a hand here. And will put this in plain language, so that your 6th grade comprehension level can understand this. Burglary: Accused must break into your house, with intent to remove possessions. Accused must perform the act in Specification 1 at night. So - you arraign someone on Burglary for doing a B&E at 2:30 p.m., the arraignment would be dismissed. Wouldn't even make it into court if you had PICTURES of him removing the loot out half out the window! Why? You failed to meet ALL specifications of the charge. So - Disturbing the peace - which is a misdemeanor by the way - Well, your continued pathetic mewling and whining disturbs my peace. So why can I not charge you with this? (And I cannot, for those who are wondering) Ahhh...because one of the specifications deals with physical presence, which is negated use of the Internet. Now, go back, trying doing some actual study instead of the Neanderthalic cut and paste used by most Camelotians and try again. It may take me a few days to get back to you - but will likely get a good chuckle out of what you come up with. |
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I might add though - if you and the rest of the Camelotians can convince the U.S. to unconditionally surrender to Iraq, and form a recognized international tribunal - well, perhaps you could get your trials after all.
Good luck. |
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