There is a old saying ""All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke).


It is sad and actually pathetic in my view that we are not 100% apposed to this Islamic law.I find it quite fascinating how women(including those on this website)defend this law.You can fight sure put up a fight to the death when it comes to stupid issues like calling a Tea party member a racist.Yet a woman getting beat for issues such as wearing a little make up or looking at another man is a total brush off.


I salute those who start these posts and have the guts to speak out against it.To those who defending beating of women your picture should be used for ads for birth control.

As someone who debates news and politics on a daily basis I would say you are dead wrong on Atheist not wanting religion totally removed from our society in every way shape and form.I know this is a fact because any time you hear of a lawsuit about religion it is always by some Atheist.It is always the ACLU who is representing them.

Atheist and the ACLU have sued to remove personal prayers from schools,Christmas trees and lights in public places,the word Christmas removed from school calendars,the banning of any mention of God or Jesus in any high school speeches,removal of the 10 commandments from courthouses,in God we trust off the money,the list goes on and on and on.


All these cases have gone to the Federal Supreme court and have always been lost on behalf of the Athiest because the word God is not exclusive to Christianity.God could mean many different things to many different people who live here.So it is really impossible to bring a lawsuit naming Christianity as who's God we are talking about(even though we all know it is)because it could mean any religions God.In that sense the Government is not specific endorsing a certain religion.


As far as your rant about Atheist minding their own business when Christians are practicing their faith???If you think we are going to believe that you are way off track.You are a prime example of someone who can't seem to mind his own business since you have to flood this site daily with some sort of anti Christian post.I don't think you could mind your own business if someone paid you to do it.Atheist will attack,attack,and attack some more on any excuse they can find on Christianity.Be it a speech mentioning Jesus Christ at graduation or someone wanting to draw a picture of a cross in class.Rest assured they will be right up your a** with a nice lawsuit and lawyer from the ACLU.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is.Who is going to deny that 9/11 was committed by Muslims using Islam as their justification for what they did?As far as not being comfortable flying with Muslims I can't say I blame him.We are still at War with Islam where daily terrorist bombings kill innocent people in countries all over the world.Threats come in all the time including one recently telling Americans they shouldn't fly to Europe at this time.

This man is only saying what the majority of Americans want to say.If NPR feels that this is offensive then they are way out of touch with reality.It is this stupid Political correctness frame of mind that is leading to bankrupt newspapers and other media outlets.

Watch Fox's ratings rise again and NPR can expect to be put in the crapper with all the other rejects like Micheal moor and Sean penn.

http://carm.org/does-god-create-evil

Does God create evil?
Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6
(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
(Amos 3:6) - "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?"

Is God really the one who created evil? To answer the question we must first look at how the word for evil, "rah," is used in the Bible, examine the context of the Isaiah 45:7 passage, and look at other passages on the same subject.

First of all, the Hebrew word for evil, "rah," is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible it occurs 663 times. 431 times it is translated as "evil." The other 232 times it is translated as "wicked," "bad," "hurt," "harm," "ill," "sorrow," "mischief," "displeased," "adversity," "affliction," "trouble," "calamity," "grievous," "misery," and "trouble." So we can see that the word does not require that it be translated as "evil." This is why different Bibles translate this verse differently. It is translated as "calamity" by the NASB and NKJV; "disaster" by the NIV; and "woe" by the RSV.

Second, the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.

"I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," (Isaiah 45:5-7).

Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause "well-being" as well as "calamity." Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. For example,
"And the Lord said to him, "Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" (Exodus 4:11).
"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6).

Also, take note that Isaiah is presenting contrasts. He speaks of "light" and "darkness," "well being" and "calamity." The word "well-being" in the Hebrew is the word for 'peace,' "Shalome." So, in the context, we are seeing two sets of opposites: Light and dark, peace and non-peace, or well being and calamity. The "evil" that is spoken of is not ontological evil, but the evil experienced by people in the form of calamity.

From the above two verses (Exodus 4:11; Amos 3:6) we can see that the Lord is involved in calamity and problems in the earthly realm. Exodus 4:11 is speaking of human frailty and Amos 3:6 is speaking of woes in a city. It is not a moral evil that God brings, but calamity and distress upon people.
Of course, this raises other questions of why God would do such a thing, which I won't cover here. But, we can trust that whatever God does is just and is used for teaching, guiding, and disciplining His people.

Third, there are other verses that clearly show that God is pure and that He cannot approve of evil.
“The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; a God of faithfulness and without injustice, righteous and upright is He," (Deut. 32:4).
"Thine eyes are too pure to approve evil, and Thou canst not look on wickedness with favor," (Hab. 1:13).

We can see that the Bible teaches that God is pure and does not approve of evil, that the word "rah" (evil) in Hebrew can mean many things, and that contextually the verse is speaking of calamity and distress. Therefore, God does not create evil in the moral sense, but in the sense of disaster or calamity.

Ah yes just throw out that crusades over and over and over with out ever reading a single page about it?I know you just love to be spoon fed some liberal garbage from some anti Christian website.But since you insist on researching nothing I have no problem making you look like the guy who always puts his foot in his mouth again,and again,and again.....


http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/crusades_all_about.htm


A REACTION TO JIHAD

The crusaders were reacting to over four centuries of relentless Islamic Jihad, which had wiped out over 50% of all the Christians in the world and conquered over 60% of all the Christian lands on earth – before the crusades even began. Many of the towns liberated by the crusaders were still over 90% Christian when the crusaders arrived. The Middle East was the birthplace of the Christian Church. It was the Christians who had been conquered and oppressed by the Seljuk Turks. So many of the towns in the Middle East welcomed the crusaders as liberators.

Far from the crusaders being the aggressors, it was the Muslim armies which had spread Islam from Saudi Arabia across the whole of Christian North Africa into Spain and even France within the first century after the death of Muhammad. Muslim armies sacked and slaughtered their way across some of the greatest Christian cities in the world, including Alexandria, Carthage, Antioch and Constantinople. These Muslim invaders destroyed over 3,200 Christian churches just in the first 100 years of Islam.


I am not going to waste a single second debating that always idiotic debate Hitler was a Jew worshiping Christian.

PLEASE,PLEASE,FEEL FREE TO POST YOU PHOTO OF THE 79 TIME OF HITLER STANDING NEXT TO THE POPE!


I don't need to go back over a thousand years to look for people killed by Atheist dictators.Over a hundred million have been killed just in the last 100 years and thousands die daily in countries like Atheist China which has the worst human rights record in history.

Mao Zedong-70 million dead.
Joseph Stalin-61 million.
Pol pot-3 million.

Shall I go on?

It's really too bad Bush rarely if every mentioned Christianity.I know you Atheist would just have loved it if he did so you could start another nauseating smear post to fling mud at the man.

He did have this to say in a interview....

http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2008/12/10/president-bush-asked-if-bible-is-literally-true-probably-not.aspx


Interviewer Cynthia McFadden asked Bush if the Bible was literally true.

“You know. Probably not. … No, I’m not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it, but I do think that the New Testament for example is … has got … You know, the important lesson is ‘God sent a son,’” Bush said.

“It is hard for me to justify or prove the mystery of the Almighty in my life,” he said. “All I can just tell you is that I got back into religion and I quit drinking shortly thereafter and I asked for help. … I was a one-step program guy.”


Sounds more like a man in the middle of the road instead of a Christian.

The more I read some of these replies the more it reminds me of watching a couple of 10 year olds.I have to keep believing I am actually talking to adults here and not some immature 5th grader.Yet from what I have been reading I feel like I am at the wrong web site and have been redirected to some elementry school webpage for mentally challenged children.

Is this is how you debate I can see why Cowboy is usually the only person who is dealing with you.The rest of us are out there on other sites having logical,thoughtful,productive debates with mature,intellegent,respectful people who don't need to insult us with every other word they speak.


As far as us foolish Christians?About the only people who use that term are the Atheist.Christians schools and colleges are constantly outperforming everyone else.Home schooled Christians are also far superior in their knowledge compared to your average high school student.You famous foolish Christians would include nearly all the founding fathers,nearly all of our Presidents,the founders of some of the worlds greatest inventions,and the CEO's and founders of some of Americas most important companies.

Famous and intelligent Atheist???You might get 50 then again you might not.

You say going to church is what Jesus hated?Wow!!!!Reading about his life,praising his works,and worshiping and singing songs devoted to him is hatred towards Jesus???I would say that is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard debating religion.Oh and Andy church is free.You don't have to pay a dime.


I do speak for God and I do speak for Jesus because I am telling you exactly what they said,and why they said it.I am a Christian disciple and when I quote bible verses I am speaking the words of God.


Every Christian I have ever met believes Jesus is their God and savior.You will not find half and half.It makes no difference if you pray to God or if you pray to Jesus because they are all one in three entities.The father,the son,and the Holy ghost.

I can see your lack of biblical knowledge is not only wrong it's embarrassing wrong.Job wasn't a push over he was quite the opposite.Job was a very Holy and faithful man.Satan told God if he killed all of his animals,killed all of his offspring,and left Job broke and homeless Job would deny God and curse God.God allowed Satan to have his way with Job and Satan killed all of his animals,all of his family,and everything else he could do except kill him...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job

All of Job's possessions are destroyed and a 'ruach' (wind/spirit) causes the house of the firstborn to collapse killing all of Job's offspring who were gathered for a feast.[note 1] Job does not curse God after this but instead shaves his head, tears his clothes and says, "Naked I came out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return: Lord has given, and Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of Lord" (Simplified).[4]

As Job endures these calamities without reproaching Divine Providence, Satan solicits permission to afflict his person as well, and God says, "Behold, he is in your hand, but don't touch his life." Satan, therefore, smites him with dreadful boils, and Job, seated in ashes, scrapes his skin with broken pottery. His wife prompts him to "curse God, and die" but Job answers, "You speak as one of the foolish speaks. Moreover, shall we receive good from God and shall not receive evil?"


Despite everything that happened to Job he never denied or cursed God not once.Satan was dead wrong about Job.Job never did anything Satan claimed he would do.God was so pleased with Job he gave his sons back to him,healed him of his boils,restored his house,and multiplied his animals many times over.It was said Job was so rich and powerful that he was in control of the entire Middle east.


There is much.much more to this story which is too long to post here.Job is is my most favorite books of the bible and is loaded with wisdom.I posted some bible verse here...

http://www.jesus-passion.com/JOB.htm#Chapter%2030

The Book of Job, Chapter 30
1 But now the younger in time scorn me, whose fathers I
would not have set with the dogs of my flock:
2 The strength of whose hands was to me as nothing, and they
were thought unworthy of life itself.
3 Barren with want and hunger, who gnawed in the wilderness,
disfigured with calamity and misery.
4 And they ate grass, and barks of trees, and the root of
junipers was their food.
5 Who snatched up these things out of the valleys, and when
they had found any of them, they ran to them with a cry.
6 They dwelt in the desert places of torrents, and in caves
of earth, or upon the gravel.
7 They pleased themselves among these kind of things, and
counted it delightful to be under the briers.
8 The children of foolish and base men, and not appearing at
all upon the earth.
9 Now I am turned into their song, and am become their
byword.
10 They abhor me, and flee far from me, and are not afraid to
spit in my face.
11 For he hath opened his quiver, and hath afflicted me, and
hath put a bridle into my mouth.
12 At the right hand of my rising, my calamities forthwith
arose: they have overthrown my feet, and have overwhelmed
me with their paths as with waves.
13 They have destroyed my ways, they have lain in wait
against me, and they have prevailed, and there was none to
help.
14 They have rushed in upon me, as when a wall is broken, and
a gate opened, and have rolled themselves down to my
miseries.
15 I am brought to nothing: as a wind thou hast taken away my
desire: and my prosperity hath passed away like a cloud.
16 And now my soul fadeth within myself, and the days of
affliction possess me.
17 In the night my bone is pierced with sorrows: and they
that feed upon me, do not sleep.
18 With the multitude of them my garment is consumed, and
they have girded me about, as with the collar of my coat.
19 I am compared to dirt, and am likened to embers and ashes.
20 I cry to thee, and thou hearest me not: I stand up, and
thou dost not regard me.
21 Thou art changed to be cruel toward me, and in the
hardness of thy hand thou art against me.
22 Thou hast lifted me up, and set me as it were upon the
wind, and thou hast mightily dashed me.
23 I know that thou wilt deliver me to death, where a house
is appointed for every one that liveth.
24 But yet thou stretchest not forth thy hand to their
consumption: and if they shall fall down thou wilt save.
25 I wept heretofore for him that was afflicted, and my soul
had compassion on the poor.
26 I expected good things, and evils are come upon me: I
waited for light, and darkness broke out.
27 My inner parts have boiled without any rest, the days of
affliction have prevented me.
28 I went mourning without indignation; I rose up, and cried
in the crowd.
29 I was the brother of dragons, and companion of ostriches.
30 My skin is become black upon me, and my bones are dried up
with heat.
31 My harp is turned to mourning, and my organ into the voice
of those that weep.

The whole reason don't ask don't tell was put there to begin with is because a soldier was beaten to death by his roommates because he was coming out of the closet.

People really need to look at why some of these laws were put there to begin with and why they should be enforced.

Once again I wonder what year you are living in and on what planet?There is no law preventing homosexual teachers from teaching and I am sure there are thousands all over America.There has been laws for at least 20 years telling employers the can not prohibit hiring someone based on sexual orientation.So where you are getting there are no gay teachers in our schools and colleges I have no idea.


You think 4th graders don't ask where babies come from sooner or later?You want to talk about confusion.Try explaining to a 4th grader how two men have sex and how two women get pregnant.I do not need to teach a 4th grader about anal sex,strap ons,drag queens,sperm donors and artificially insemination for lesbians.Just like I don't need to teach them about bondage,golden showers,whips and chains,and everything else that is totally useless to a 4th grader.


Homosexuality is a lifestyle that you can not force people to accept or like.Homosexuals should know if they are going to be openly gay many people are going to treat them different and not be comfortable around them.You may think it's normal and acceptable but the majority do not.

Everyone is born straight.Nobody is born gay.

Wow thats a hot one!I have to go to some Christian extremist group to find out about homosexuals!

No it called the ability to read our bibles and understand why God destroyed a entire city because of sodomy and how he calls it a abomination.

I will tell you why parents feel uncomfortable with a gay or lesbian teachers.It is because in their mind Christians are wrong and they will more likely push pro gay issues such as gay marriage and gay sex education which parents do not want their kids exposed to.

If that was true you would probably have a 50%/50% change being born gay or straight much like you have a 50%/50% chance being born male or female.We would also have to assume the animals are in the same scenario.Yet considering a very small minority in this country is gay I find this logic extremely flawed.There has never been any proof anyone was born gay.

Freedom of speech is A RIGHT and freedom of religion is also a RIGHT.Nobody is going to tell me what I can't say or not say despite if you like it or not.I will until the day I die preach against homosexuality and those who support it.There is not a single thing you are anyone else can say or do about it.

You Atheist are a work of art.Blabbing away every chance you get how evil the Christians are yet start a topic like this to insult,smear,and spew hate towards Pat Robertson.

Gotta love you two face double standards.I think I will pass up the opportunity to call Pat Robertson names like Nazi,Bozo,stupid,moron,etc,etc,etc,.I'm sure the you will get around to it along with calling the Sarah palin a stupid dumb whore.

Perhaps tomorrow you can start another post and call it something like "Dumb,stupid,miserable,idiot,Christian fell down stairs and broke his nose,ha,ha,ha!"Then you can sit back with a smile and tell me how hateful the Christians are towards society.

Exactly how are the religious extremist preventing the gays from doing anything?They can't.They can't stop gay people from doing what ever they want.They have a right to express their own opinion just like anyone else does in America.If you don't like it,nobody is going to chain you down in a chair and force you to hear it.How many Christians are out there protesting gay bars and gay business's?None.How many protest gay pride parades?One or two maybe.How many of them are threatning gays with violence?None.

I think you are delusional or just making up this theory that the Christians hijacked the media station to spew hatred towards the homosexuals.The Christian leaders may have been interviewed on news stations to debate.But I can't remember anyone saying hateful or racist things about homosexuals.In any case new stations like CNN an MSNBC are totally liberal,pro homosexual,and anti Christian.


You ever stop to consider the other side of the coin?How hateful and vile the gays are to the Christians out there(including posts on this site)?You want to talk about media?How many hundreds of times did I have to hear that Christians were nothing but a bunch of homophobic,racist,Nazi's spewing out of every new station of the United states,spoken by the gays and those who represent them?You have any idea how slanted the media is towards gays?They bend over backward for the gay agenda and insult and smear Christianity the best they can.When was the last time any media station showed us good or positive news towards Christianity?You ever stop to consider that gays harassing a Christian is not different than a Christian harassing a gay?


Yes there is hateful people out there.Putting all the blame on the Christians is nothing but a cop out because we all know people from all walks of life,all ages,and from all countries can say hateful things about the gays.We all experience hate and we all deal with it.

You can actually fit everyone in the entire world in all the buildings on Long island,New york.Anyone who believes the world is over populated is a fool.You ever drive across New mexico,Arizona,Utah,Kansas,Montana,Nebraska,and Wyoming?You know what you see?Hundreds of miles of virgin land with nobody living there.The entire country of Canada only has 32 million people and it is bigger than the United states.Russia is over 8,600,000 square miles which is nearly twice as big as the United states yet has a population lower than the United states by millions.

That has to be one of the dumbest quotes I have ever heard.Atheist countries like China who have the worst human rights records in history and are only getting worse? We could talk for years about how much good Christianity has brought the world.The homeless shelters,the food banks,orphanages,feeding people around the world,helping the poor,charity work in every country in the world and asking for nothing in return.Christians have spent more money and more time than any other religion caring for people they have never met.

Yet Atheisms role in bettering society and the world has resulted in hundreds of millions dead due to War,genocide,greed,and power.

When your looking for answers what does Atheism offer?Nothing.

When you are homeless and starving out on the streets what does Atheism offer you?Nothing.

When you have questions about where you go after you die what does Atheism offer you?Nothing.

You have failed to make the connection between gay suicide,gay bullying,and gay harassment tied to Christianity.Yes you pointed out some statistics showing how gays are bullied yet you place the gays front and center as the hopeless victims and totally ignore the rest of society and whine how the gays are so mistreated.And of course it has to be those pesky Christians who are committing ALL of these problems because some anti gay Atheist or Muslim couldn't possibly fathom bullying a gay person.

Since you constantly ignor the rest of society with your gays are the only victims allow me to post my own research from a website devoted to bullying.

http://www.bullyingstatistics.blogspot.com/


90% of 4th through 8th graders report being victims of bullying.

282,000 students are physically attacked in secondary schools each month.

In a recent study, 77% of the students said they had been bullied. And 14% of those who were bullied said they experienced severe (bad) reactions to the abuse.

http://how-to-stop-bullying.com/bullyingstatistics.html

1 out of 4 kids is Bullied. An American Justice Department school bullying statistics and cyber bullying statistics studies shows that this month 1 out of every 4 kids will be abused by another youth.

Playground school bullying statistics - Every 7 minutes a child is bullied. Adult intervention - 4%. Peer intervention - 11%. No intervention - 85%.

46% of males, and 26% of females reported they had been in physical fights according to the school bullying statistics.


Your information failed on many fronts


FAIL-You statistics didn't show me what religion the people who bullied the gays were.

FAIL-Victims of bullying did not say they were targeted by the church,pastors,members of a church,or a Christian origination.

FAIL-No statistics showed gay bullying and suicide was higher in Christian towns(like Salt lake city)as apposed to Atheist cities(like Seattle).

FAIL-To prove how religious propaganda is harming gays and lesbians in the United states.


Finally I would like to say that Christians are simply speaking out in support OF WHAT THEY ALREADY BELIEVE IN.The Christians did not wake up one day and say "I think we should start harassing the gays because we don't like their lifestyle".I think it is childish and immature that you expect the Christians to throw away their 2,000 year old beliefs simply because you don't like them.


I think if anyone is being bullied it is the Christians by the gays.The gays will do everything possible to rid the United states of Christianity using slander,lies,lawsuits,threats,bills,and every other dirty trick they can think of.I don't see Christians using these same tactics.

Wow you are saying people are uneducated about religion yet you are prime example of your own ignorance.Christians can't possible have any connection with Islam since it was founded 610 years after Jesus died and at least 500 years since the New testament was written. Islam has Zero to do with the Old testament and Zero to do with the New testament.

Of course Christianity has,is and will always be part of Judaism.If you are a Christian you believe in everything in the Old testament the same as the Jews did.God wanted Jews to evolve to the next level with Jesus.That is why Jesus was prophesied in the Old testament.To ignore or deny everything written in the Old testament about Jesus is just plain stupid.It is probably that reason why you only have a few million Jews in this world and over 3 billion Christians.

If anyone is lacking knowledge about religion it is you.It seems you have read so much into everyones religion you have a hard time realizing even the most basic concepts.

I think the very fact that bible prophecy has come true hundreds of times and hundreds of years after they were written is a pretty strong argument.The bible is currently fulfilling future prophecy.There is no doubt we will see the 7 years of peace between Israel and the Palestine's before the rapture,one world currency,and the Anti Christ from Asia.One of the last prophecies to be fulfilled.