Topic: don't ask, don't tell is back....agian | |
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Washington (CNN) -- A federal appeals panel on Wednesday temporarily blocked a lower court ruling that halted enforcement of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy banning openly gay and lesbian soldiers from the military.
The ruling by a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals gave the government the delay it sought in challenging a federal judge's order last week to stop enforcing the policy around the world. "The order is stayed temporarily in order to provide this court with an opportunity to consider fully the issues presented," said the appellate panel's ruling, which gave parties in the case until October 25 to file further documents. Aubrey Sarvis, an Army veteran and executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, said the appeals court panel's ruling "means that 'don't ask, don't tell' is once again on the books, and is likely to be enforced by the Defense Department." "Gay and lesbian service members deserve better treatment than they are getting with this ruling," Sarvis said. The American Civil Liberties Union and the Human Rights Campaign also expressed disappointment and called for an end to "don't ask, don't tell." Earlier Wednesday, the Obama administration filed an emergency request with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to stop the military from allowing openly gay troops from serving, putting itself in a strange position. In effect, the administration wants to continue barring gays from the military even though it ultimately favors repealing "don't ask, don't tell." "They are in a very bizarre position, frankly, of their own making," CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said. On Wednesday, the White House referred all questions about the issue to the Department of Justice. The administration filed a motion Tuesday asking U.S. District Court Judge Virginia Phillips to stay her order last month that banned the enforcement of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. When Phillips denied the request, government lawyers took their case to the 9th Circuit on Wednesday. In court documents filed in San Francisco, California, the administration argued that "don't ask, don't tell" should remain intact for now. The administration argued that changing it abruptly "risks causing significant immediate harm to the military and its efforts to be prepared to implement an orderly repeal of the statute." Toobinsaid the administration would like Congress to deal with the issue on a political level and doesn't want the courts to take it on unilaterally. A measure that would repeal the policy after a military review and approval from the president, defense secretary and Joint Chiefs chairman has passed the House and awaits action in the Senate. By battling the legal challenge to the existing law -- a traditional practice of the U.S. government -- the administration is trying to buy time to implement the repeal process worked out with military leaders and contained in the legislation before Congress. If the 9th Circuit eventually overturns Phillips' ruling and Congress does not take any action, "don't ask, don't tell" could be back. "And the Obama administration would be responsible for that," Toobin said. Meanwhile, spokeswoman Cynthia Smith said Wednesday that the Defense Department "will continue to obey the law, and we will abide by the terms of the court's injunction unless and until the injunction is stayed or vacated." The Log Cabin Republicans, plaintiffs in the case that Phillips ruled on, said Wednesday that the group remained fully committed to defending this worldwide injunction because it is what is best for all service members. "While we are disappointed with the court's ruling granting a temporary administrative stay, we view the decision as nothing more than a minor setback," said Dan Woods, a partner in the law firm White & Case who is representing the group it the case. "We didn't come this far to quit now," he said in a statement, adding that the group expected the appeals court to uphold the lower court injunction against "don't ask, don't tell." The Pentagon has already begun advising recruiting commands that they can accept openly gay and lesbian recruit candidates, according to Smith. The guidance from the personnel and readiness office was sent to recruiting commands Friday, Smith said. The recruiters were told that if a candidate admits that he or she is openly gay and qualifies under normal recruiting guidelines, the application can be processed. Recruiters are not allowed to ask candidates if they are gay as part of the application process. Christian Berle, executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans, said there have not been any incidents of consequence the administration feared would occur. "The armed forces continues to move along and succeed because it is the greatest military in the world," Berle said. Dan Choi, an infantry officer who was discharged under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, turned in paperwork Wednesday to re-enlist in the Army. He said the Obama administration ought not to lift a finger to defend discrimination. "They should walk their talk," Choi said after re-enlisting. The Obama administration has said it needs more time to work with the Pentagon to repeal the policy, blasted by critics as blatantly discriminatory. "This president has made a commitment, and it's not a question of whether that program, whether that policy will change, but when," Obama adviser David Axelrodsaid. "We're at the end of a process with the Pentagon to make that transition, and we're going to see it through." The arrangement worked out with the Pentagon includes a military review of how to make the transition work, which is to be completed in December. After that, Obama, the defense secretary and the Joint Chiefs chairman would have to certify that the plan won't harm the combat readiness of U.S. troops. Obama and White House Press Secretary Robert Gates have repeatedly stressed the need for an orderly transition from the "don't ask, don't tell" policy in order to deal with myriad issues including barracks arrangements and benefits. Speaking to a mostly young audience at the MTV, BET, CMT town hall meeting last week, Obama reaffirmed that the "policy will end and it will end on my watch." "I agree with the basic principle that anybody who wants to serve in our armed forces and make sacrifices on our behalf, on behalf of our national security, anybody should be able to serve," he said. At the same time, Obama said, "it has to be done in a way that is orderly," and he insisted that congressional action is needed because Congress passed a law that prohibits the president from unilaterally changing the policy. |
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at least this makes more sense, thinking it through and getting ready for it....
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I read that earlier and was hoping someone else would post it.
Homsex to God is and abomination and a stench in his nostrils. They need to stay in the closet. JMO. |
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I read that earlier and was hoping someone else would post it. Homsex to God is and abomination and a stench in his nostrils. They need to stay in the closet. JMO. Jeez... How will that hide them from god? Human to god. Just an abomination to you. |
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I read that earlier and was hoping someone else would post it. Homsex to God is and abomination and a stench in his nostrils. They need to stay in the closet. JMO. Jeez... How will that hide them from god? Human to god. Just an abomination to you. i guess you missed the Sodom and Gomorrah chapters in the bible... |
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I read that earlier and was hoping someone else would post it. Homsex to God is and abomination and a stench in his nostrils. They need to stay in the closet. JMO. Jeez... How will that hide them from god? Human to god. Just an abomination to you. i guess you missed the Sodom and Gomorrah chapters in the bible... Inhabitants of those places were commiting rape and such in absolute abandon of all law... Not on equal footing. Would you punish a person for having cancer? |
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I read that earlier and was hoping someone else would post it. Homsex to God is and abomination and a stench in his nostrils. They need to stay in the closet. JMO. Jeez... How will that hide them from god? Human to god. Just an abomination to you. i guess you missed the Sodom and Gomorrah chapters in the bible... Inhabitants of those places were commiting rape and such in absolute abandon of all law... Not on equal footing. Would you punish a person for having cancer? you might wanna read it again, just for a touch up...they were having gay sex...is that cancerous? |
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I read that earlier and was hoping someone else would post it. Homsex to God is and abomination and a stench in his nostrils. They need to stay in the closet. JMO. Jeez... How will that hide them from god? Human to god. Just an abomination to you. i guess you missed the Sodom and Gomorrah chapters in the bible... Inhabitants of those places were commiting rape and such in absolute abandon of all law... Not on equal footing. Would you punish a person for having cancer? God will judge them after death. In a Sharia world, Muslims will kill them now. |
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I read that earlier and was hoping someone else would post it. Homsex to God is and abomination and a stench in his nostrils. They need to stay in the closet. JMO. Jeez... How will that hide them from god? Human to god. Just an abomination to you. i guess you missed the Sodom and Gomorrah chapters in the bible... Inhabitants of those places were commiting rape and such in absolute abandon of all law... Not on equal footing. Would you punish a person for having cancer? you might wanna read it again, just for a touch up...they were having gay sex...is that cancerous? Where you there? No, you read it in a book. That same book states somewhere within its bindings that free will was granted. I do not hold with the gay lifestyle. I also do not hold with limiting someone elses free will because I do not want their lifestyle. Nor will I throw stones at them. (I am not god) |
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I read that earlier and was hoping someone else would post it. Homsex to God is and abomination and a stench in his nostrils. They need to stay in the closet. JMO. Jeez... How will that hide them from god? Human to god. Just an abomination to you. i guess you missed the Sodom and Gomorrah chapters in the bible... Inhabitants of those places were commiting rape and such in absolute abandon of all law... Not on equal footing. Would you punish a person for having cancer? you might wanna read it again, just for a touch up...they were having gay sex...is that cancerous? Where you there? No, you read it in a book. That same book states somewhere within its bindings that free will was granted. I do not hold with the gay lifestyle. I also do not hold with limiting someone elses free will because I do not want their lifestyle. Nor will I throw stones at them. (I am not god) sorry, but you posted "Human to god."...i was pointing out the fact he destroyed five cities because of gayness... and even in the new testament, jesus wasn't feeling any better about it... "And you, Caper'na-um, will you be exalted to heaven? You shall be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I tell you that it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you." In Matthew 11:20-24 Jude 1:7 records that both Sodom and Gomorrah were "giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." |
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Dadt is going away.
And good riddance. |
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Dadt is going away. And good riddance. not for a while, anyway |
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The whole reason don't ask don't tell was put there to begin with is because a soldier was beaten to death by his roommates because he was coming out of the closet.
People really need to look at why some of these laws were put there to begin with and why they should be enforced. |
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The toughest warriors of history....The Spartans.
Think about it....300 Spartans held off 800,000 Persians at the battle of Thermopylae. |
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