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Since it is not politically correct to call a President a lier. What does one do when our President participates in the same political LIES as all the rest of the politicians? I give a single case in point. When being protested by aids activists he stated that 'his side' was giving money and the 'other side' did not... Ask anyone in Africa how much help GWB gave in the fight against aids and you will get a much different answer. Not only that but the 'help' in that department is from the government... (last time I checked that was made of both sides). I agree.That statement was either extremely arrogant or very stupid or both.Bush gave more to fight Aids than any president in history.That statement was uncalled for and was slap in the face to Africa. |
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france are in there right good on them. im from scotland and the muslims here wanted all decorations down at christmas time as its offensive to them, im no raceist but if i go into a country were im not from i dont expect my beliefs or laws to be accepted by that country, as for a mosque at ground zero thats the biggest insult i have ever heard in my life and america should not stand for this. the uk and states try to help these people and get nothing back but threats and attacks, but not all muslims are in this bracket. i agree, not all are bad... but even 1% of 1.4 billion is still 1.4 million of the bad apples... that is a huge number... 1% is a much bigger number than that. That 1% number is a Gov. number. We all know how Gov. will either inflate or deflate the reality to suit their needs. I'd bet, at least half are terrorist material. 1% is just a number i used to show the stats... the actual number is between 7 and 20%... 1% I hardly think so. Considering the entire middle east is hostile towards Christians and Jews,and Considering many countries like Saudi arabia,Afganistan,and Pakistan will not allow a Christian church or Jewish synagogue to be built there,and considering the entire middle east supports Sharia law it would be stupid to assume their way of thinking is any different then most terrorist. That population is well over 300 million people. We can take the population of many towns in Africa which have violent muslims killing on a daily basis.Other countries such as Russia,India,Spain,Nepal,etc,also have large numbers of muslims killing people. You take the population of the middle east along with the numbers of the rest of these radical muslims and I would say you have 30% of the muslims out there supporting some form of killing and hostility towards the rest of the world. 1%?I think it is more like 30%. |
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Topic:
The Rally
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Viva La Revolution!
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/22/civil-rights-complaint-filed-christian-roommate-advertisement/
A civil rights complaint has been filed against a woman in Grand Rapids, Mich., who posted an advertisement at her church last July seeking a Christian roommate. The ad "expresses an illegal preference for a Christian roommate, thus excluding people of other faiths,” according to the complaint filed by the Fair Housing Center of West Michigan. "It's a violation to make, print or publish a discriminatory statement," Executive Director Nancy Haynes told Fox News. "There are no exemptions to that." Haynes said the unnamed 31-year-old woman’s case was turned over to the Michigan Department of Civil Rights. Depending on the outcome of the case, she said, the woman could face several hundreds of dollars in fines and “fair housing training so it doesn’t happen again.” Harold Core, director of public affairs with the Michigan Department of Civil Rights, told the Grand Rapids Press that the Fair Housing Act prevents people from publishing an advertisement stating their preference of religion, race or handicap with respect to the sale or rental of a dwelling. "It's really difficult to say at this point what could potentially happen," he told the newspaper, noting that there are exemptions in the law for gender when there is a shared living space. But Joel Oster, an attorney with the Alliance Defense Fund, which is representing the woman free of charge, describes the case as "outrageous." "Clearly this woman has a right to pick and choose who she wants to live with," he said. "Christians shouldn't live in fear of being punished by the government for being Christians. It is completely absurd to try to penalize a single Christian woman for privately seeking a Christian roommate at church -- an obviously legal and constitutionally protected activity." Haynes said the person who filed the initial complaint saw the ad on the church bulletin board and contacted the local fair housing organization. The ad included the words, "Christian roommate wanted," along with the woman's contact information. Had the ad not included the word "Christian," Haynes said, it would not have been illegal. "If you read it and you were not Christian, would you not feel welcome to rent there?" Haynes asked. Oster said he hopes the case will eventually be dropped and that he's sent a letter to the state asking the authorities to dismiss the case as groundless. "The First Amendment guarantees us Freedom of Religion," he said. "And we have the right to live with someone of the same faith. The Michigan Department of Civil Rights is denying her rights by pursuing this complaint." But Haynes said officials plan on pursuing the matter. "We want to make sure it doesn't happen again," she said. |
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72 virgins has nothing to do with Christianity.You are talking about Islam and 72 virgins is a reward for killing people and yourself through terrorism.
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first they will be raised from the graves as Zombies This is just yet another reason to dismiss the biblical fables. These fables require that physical bodies be raised from their graves in order for souls to ascend to heaven. Jesus supposedly physically rose from his grave and his physical body then ascended to heaven. Here Matthew speaks of many saints being risen from their graves as zombies at the time of the supposed resurrection of Jesus. Matthew 27: [50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. [51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; [52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, [53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Notice several things in the writings of Matthew here. First, Jesus cried out in a loud voice and then "yielded up the ghost". In other words, he died, or his spirit left his body. That's what Matthew was attempting to say here. But then he writes about the earth quaking and rocks renting and graves are physically open, and out of the graves came the bodies of saints which slept but now have arisen. There's all manner of problems with this line of thinking. For one thing, spirits (or souls) would need to remain with a physical carcass until they are physically removed from their burial site. Which would required the opening of the graves. These physical bodies are then transferred to heaven to be repaired, rejuvenated or, possibly have the spirits or souls detached from them there? Who knows? It's a silly myth. Also, this begs the question of what happens to those people who were cremated or otherwise had their bodies destroyed beyond any recognizable physical form? Are their spirits or souls destroyed in that process? I think MOST PEOPLE visualize an invisible soul or spirit simply leaving a body at the moment it dies. Just like even Matthew himself describe Jesus as having "Yielded up the Ghost" Matthew is not the only one who thought like this: Ezek.37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. This is just the superstitious way that people thought back then. They believed that the soul is locked in the body until some God comes along and retrieve's it. If there is any truth to spirituality at all, the most likely truth is that the spirit leaves the body at the time of death. So these ancient fables written by these Israelites are clearly just the imagination of men. They're man-made mythologies. The Bible is a collection of myths and fables made up by men. And yes, these myths and superstitions were indeed written about their lifetimes, and thus they would still contain some historical truths. For example, an actual man named "Jesus" or whatever, probably did have a ministry of love and was wrongfully crucified, etc., etc., etc. But that doesn't automatically make every single rumor that came out of that episode true. Jesus also rose people from the dead and they were not walking zombies.Lazarus was dead for 4 days when Jesus brought him back to life.Lazarus talked and acted perfectly normal.God did not rise walking,stinking,rotting,bodies when Jesus died.He brought back his people the way they looked before they died.When God rose the dead they were walking around just like they have never died.This was to show the people Jesus conquered all things of this earth including death. As far as their souls.In the Old testament if you believed in God your soul went to heaven.It did not stay on earth.We have no idea if God transported the souls from these dead men from heaven to earth for this short time or if he simply commanded the dead to rise and take on the personality they had before.Jesus was visited by Moses and Elijah who were both long dead. As far as cremation.It doesn't matter.If God wanted your former body raised it wouldn't matter what condition it was in.He would raise it regardless and look perfectly normal. The Gospel of Nicodemus, Vol 8, Chapter I: Then Rabbi Addas and Rabbi Finees, and Rabbi Egias, the three men who had come from Galilee, testifying that they had seen Jesus taken up into heaven, rose up in the midst of the multitude of the chiefs of the Jews, and said before the priests and the Levites, who had been called together to the council of the Lord: "When we were coming from Galilee we met at the Jordan a very great multitude of men, fathers who had been some time dead"...And they went, and walked around all the region of the Jordan and of the mountains, and they were coming back without finding them. And, behold, suddenly there appeared coming down from Mount Amalech a very great number, as it were, twelve thousand men, who had risen with the Lord. And though they recognized very many there, they were not able to say anything to them for fear and the angelic vision; and they stood at a distance gazing and hearing them, how they walked along singing praises, and saying; "The Lord has risen again from the dead, as He has said; let us all exult and be glad, since He reins for ever. Then those who had been sent were astonished and fell to the ground for fear, and received the answer from them, that they should see Karinus and Leucius in their own houses. And they rose up and went to their houses, and found them spending their time in prayer. |
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Ground Zero Mosque
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_mosque
Victory Mosques are mosques that are built as a sign of victory by Islam on the site of a Christian of other non-Islamic place of worship or significant monument. Victory mosques are also built within countries that are traditionally non-Islamic as a sign of strength. Victory mosques include An-Nasr Mosque, built on the site of a Byzantine church and the Umm al-Naser Mosque at Beit Hanoun, both in Palestine, the Quwwat-ul-Islam Mosque in Delhi, India, the Baitul Futuh Mosque in Morden, London, United Kingdom and the Mosque of Rome, Italy. These latter two are the largest mosques in Europe. The construction of Park51, of which part is called "Cordoba House" and is plannned to contain a Islamic religious centre, near the World Trade Center site has sparked much opposition with Raymond Ibrahim pointing out that Islam builds mosques on "conquered territory" as symbols of "victory" and "conquest."[1] Park51 is often referred to as the "Ground Zero mosque."[2] |
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Ground Zero Mosque
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Islam isn't a religion.Islam is a excuse for millions of blood thirsty lunatics to kill of the entire world and put the blame on some false God.
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Wow on Amazon.com "Hitlers pope" has 199 used copies for sale starting at $00.1 penny a piece.A brand new copy is $3.50.
Sounds like "Hitlers pope" has been a colossus failure being put with the rest of the rejects in the Bargin bin. |
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We are talking about Atheist and the murder they commit because Atheist dictators and their followers are a direct threat to our way of life more than any other form of belief.We don't need to go back 3,000 years.We can go back just in the last 50 and see the millions of people killed.In the future it will either be Islamic or Atheist countries that are going to be a threat to our future.It will not be Christian. I'm pretty sure Douglas MacArthur was NOT an atheist, and if you check, you can verify that he wanted to go after the Communists in the Korean War era. Truman had to finally yoke him in for insubordination, or he probably would have made good on his threats. Who knows if that one would have gone nuclear. Too, many of us grew up hearing about how nuts the Russians were and how THEY were a 'direct threat to our way of life.' Then, just as now, Bible Thumpers like Joe McCarthy were exploiting the 'Red Threat' to obtain power and choke off dissent. And one still gets an undertow of that slander that Unbelievers are quislings in league with Communists and All Things Foul by some elements of the Christian majority that holds the reins of power in this country. Recently, they even went so far as to try to disqualify atheist candidates, in a more that is a BRAZEN contravention of the Constitution of the United States. To be sure, the militant Christians don't parade the Cross around the Halls of Governance. But they sure wrap it in the flag when they want to cut the minority who are Unbelievers from the rest of the herd. Like their court cases, they usually don't last very long on these forums, but those sentiments that the U.S. is a Christian Nation are expressed so often here. And that if atheists don't like it, they can expatriate. Sounds pretty Un-American to me. I don't remember the United states going to war for anything related to Christianity.The United states Government is not run according to the bible.It is not run by laws from the bible.It does not have courts run by the church.It does not have a Christian police or military using the bible to enforce laws.Priests and Bishops do not tell our Government what to do. Can I quote you that? If you can prove that this war was started because of Christianity.That this on going War is being fought for Christianity,and that our government is using the bible to justify the War go ahead.When you present your case to the court your evidence will be ZERO! Oh, I don't have to do much digging to come up with that comment from a top general in Iraq saying that 'his God was bigger than Saddam's God'. Nor to find reports where Christian missionaries were given leading roles in rebuilding the country by the Bush Administration in much the same manner that the Carpetbaggers exploited the Antebellum South in the 19th century. -Kerry O. I could care less what one Islamic General in Iraq has to say.What this has to do with anything I have no idea. Seems your Christian missionaries given leading roles in rebuilding the country is nothing but a lie.I couldn't find any truth to that statement but did find this... http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/04/15/in_touch/index.html "Officially, the Bush administration has taken no position on the campaign for converts. But foreign policy experts -- and even some moderate Christian groups -- are already warning that efforts by the conservative Christians to capitalize on the fall of Saddam could inject a decidedly religious tone into Bush's stated plan to democratize Iraq. And unless the administration takes a strong stand against that campaign, some say, the missionaries may provoke a deep, damaging backlash there and throughout the Muslim world. What former Generals 60 years ago have to do with anything I have no idea. You still have failed to prove to me and anyone else that any of these Wars past or present had anything to do with Christianity.I would like to hear something like "We went to War because this bible verse says...."Or "If we don't go to War we are disobeying Jesus Christ".Or "We have the right to kill and invade because the Holy bible says it's justified" You say you shouldn't have to do much digging.So start digging. |
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Just want to make it simple and clear. "Christianity" kills no one. Tells us not to, quite simple. "Christians" may have killed in certain times through history, but in no way represents Christianity for it teaches quite the contrary. I'm sorry to burst your bubble Cowboy, but what you say here is simply not true. It may be true for you and your "version" of what you would personally like Christianity to be, but ultimately you can't make this as a blanket statement, and the reason is extremely simple and straight-forward. I sincerely hope that you can follow this simple reasoning. First off, what is "Christianity" but the belief in a doctrine. A collection of stories typically referred to as the "Holy Bible". Therefore, (and this is the crux of the matter Cowboy, so please try to comprehend this), a believe in "Christianity" basically amounts to nothing more than a belief in a particular interpretation of a bunch of convoluted and often conflicting scriptures that clearly no two humans can agree on in detail. Now, since "Christianity" truly reduces to nothing more than a belief in some particular interpretation of ancient fables, then there can be so such thing as "One True Christianity". On the contrary, anyone's interpretation of these scriptures will suffice as a basis for Christianity. Now as a self-appointed Paper Pope you're in no position to be arguing with this. If you were going to argue with this you would need to bow down to the Catholic Pope and just accept HIS interpretations solely. However, if you are prepared to accept your role as a protesting Protestant Paper Pope offering up your own interpretations of scripture, then in doing so you have opened the flood gates of individualistic interpretations. Now, having said all of this, many people do not agree with your Cowboyianity version of Christianity. There are those who do not worship you as "Pope". They take their own interpretations instead. And here are the FACTS Cowboy: 1. The Old Testament clearly instructs people to kill sinners and heathens and not to suffer a which to live. 2. The New Testament has Jesus claiming that he did not come to destroy the laws but to fulfill them, and that not one jot nor one tittle shall pass from law until all have been fulfilled. Now, I've heard your interpretations of these things. However, that's nothing. Your personal interpretations are utterly meaningless. They are personal to YOU and YOU ALONE. Well, you may find some followers who will agree with some of your interpretations, but the FACT still remains that "Christianity" is really nothing more than a worshiping of ancient scriptures, and everyone who accept those scriptures as the "Word of God" do not agree with your interpretations It would be totally wrong (and highly arrogant) of you to renounce their interpretations as being some sort of 'absolute proclamation' being made in the name of "Christianity". You simply don't have the clout to do that. You are a self-appointed paper pope, and so is the next guy who may very well disagree with your interpretations altogether. So for you to even remotely claim to represent "Christianity" or what it stands for is truly a moot act. At best, all you can truly do is say something like, "Well I think it should stand for this,.... blah, blah, blah,..." Which of course you do, except you don't take the stance that you merely think it should stand for your ideals, but rather you demand that it does stand for your ideals, and you simply reject other interpretations as not being to your liking. That's really all you're doing. You're just rambling on about what you would like "Christianity" to represent. I actually tried going down that road myself at one point in my life but soon realized the folly in this. You'd be much further ahead to just abandon these old scriptures and instead choose a spiritual philosophy that simple allows you to view God in whatever way you chose. Because in the end, that's really all you're really doing anyway, you're just dragging around a 'label' with you in the case of "Christianity". A label that you need to constantly defend and redefine, in terms of what you would like it to be. If you just move on to something like Eastern Mysticism then you can indeed hold your own views of what God might be like without any need to play "Paper Pope" or demand that a bunch of ancient scriptures can be twisted to your liking. There can be no such thing as a "True Christianity" because all that Christianity amounts to is personal interpretations of ancient fables. Catholicism with it's single appointed Pope is the closest thing to "True Christianity". At least in the sense that it only has a single spokesperson. But Catholic Popes have historically condoned the mass murdering of "heathens" in the name of Jesus Christ the almighty, therefore in that sense "Christianity" is guilty as sin! And nothing you can do can ever change that. The Old testament did indeed have some stories of God telling Jews to kill the entire town.But who am I to question the judgment of God?If he gave them life I don't see why it is wrong for him to give them death. Once again you fail to realize once Jesus died for the sins of ALL people,God did not have to kill anyone anymore for any reason.No matter how evil these people were to God they would no longer die by his hand because their sins were payed for by Jesus and no longer deserved a death sentence. Christ did come to fulfill the prophecy and Christ did fulfill the prophecy.Those prophecies did not include killing or violence.You will never find any bible verses from Christ telling us to kill for any reason. I think you could probably further your argument more if you could find anything in the New testament that 1.)Gives a green light to killing anyone for any reason. 2.)Say's murder and killing are justified by Christians. 3.)That Christians should use violence. Give me some bible verses and then we can talk. |
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1937? "On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany" and added with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars." (Source: Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell) But it's all moot either way, you see Hitler had already gained power and did not need Rome...he probably would have executed them after he conquered the world. If Hitler had not gone into Russia too early who knows. Just like today when Christians vote their values they usually vote GOP (and now T-bagger) and then we get people like Hitler...that's how it happened to the German people...they got sucked into religion and it almost costs of even more that the 57 million that died in WWII. SSDD Give it up Middle.You walked into a giant buzz saw on this one.I have people like Eienstien and Colubia University giving me information.You have one stupid book by some idiot nobody has ever heard of. |
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By 1939, more than 10,000 Catholic schools had been closed and the Catholic boys and girls sent to Nazi public schools for indoctrination.
Bishop von Galen The Lion of Munster Catholics are constantly confronted with the claims that Pope Pius XII was complicit in the Holocaust, that vast numbers of Catholics collaborated with Hitler's diabolical regime, and that Catholic priests, nuns, and bishops were ardent members of the Nazi Party and supporters of its policies. It is true that many Catholics turned a blind eye to the Holocaust, and others remained silent out of fear for their lives and the safety of their families. There were certainly many ex-Catholic members of the ruling Nazi circles, just as there were Catholics in some numbers who supported the Nazis out of a twisted sense of nationalism, anti-Semitic beliefs, or for pure personal advancement in a corrupt and evil state. But what many people don't know is that the Church itself was a target of the Nazis. On June 6, 1941, Martin Bormann, head of the Nazi Party Chancellery, private secretary to Adolf Hitler, and one of the most powerful figures in the Third Reich, issued a secret decree for all Gauleiters (or regional party leaders) of the Reich regarding the true intentions of the Nazi regime toward the Christian churches. More and more the people must be separated from the churches and their organs the pastors . . . Just as the deleterious influences of astrologers, seers and other fakers are eliminated and suppressed by the State, so must the possibility of church influence also be totally removed . . . Not until this has happened, does the state leadership have influence on the individual citizens. Not until then are the people and Reich secure in their existence for all time. ("Relationship of National Socialism and Christianity") Persecution Begins In February 1933, Hermann Goring banned all Catholic newspapers in Cologne on the claim that Catholics were illegally engaging in politics. The ban was lifted soon after, but Catholics had been sent a message. A short time later, thugs from the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Brownshirts, stormed a gathering of the Christian trade unions and the Catholic Center Party and brutalized many of those in attendance. The government next banned the other political parties. The Social Democrats (SPD) were prohibited in June. On July 5, 1933, the Catholic Centre Party, and its ally the Bavarian People's Party, disbanded itself under relentless Nazi intimidation and after empty promises were made promising Catholic freedom in education and for youth groups. On July 14, 1933, Germany became officially a one-party state. As the parties were disbanded, the Gestapo began rounding up all who might oppose the social revolution. Hundreds of priests were arrested for speaking out against the anti-democratic changes and the persecution of Jews. Thousands of members of the Catholic Center Party were in jails or concentration camps even before the party voted itself out of existence. The Christian Trade Unions were dissolved in late June, and, under mounting pressure, the bishops of Germany agreed to permit members to join the Nazi Party. Needing a permanent statement to clarify legally the Catholic Church's status in Nazi Germany, Pius XI signed a concordat with Hitler on July 20, 1933. While attacked today as a Catholic capitulation to the Nazis, the concordat was viewed in its time in terms similar to those of the Concordat of 1800 between Pope Pius VII and Napoleon Bonaparte. In facing a dictator who would surely violate all promises, Pope Pius XI sought a formal document that could be used to defend the rights of Catholics and Catholic institutions in a future that the pontiff knew was going to be dark and dangerous for all who professed faith in Christ. The Nazi Party's overarching policy was described by the term Gleichschaltung, denoting the effort to bring all German culture, religious practice, politics, and even daily life into strict conformity with Nazi ideology. It was a policy of total control of thought, belief, and practice and entailed the systematic eradication of all anti-Nazi elements in the country. The effort to control the churches was termed the Kirchenkampf (the war against the church), although Catholics were not attacked on the legal basis of their Catholicism. Rather, Catholics who opposed the Nazis were arrested and murdered for "crimes" against the state. In 1941 in the Netherlands, Catholics took part in the strikes and protests against the Nazi treatment of the Jews. In July 1942, the Nazis declared that all Jewish converts and Jews married to Gentiles would be exempted from deportation if the opposition ceased. While the Protestants in the Netherlands agreed, the Archbishop of Utrecht would not be deterred. In response, the authorities deported all Catholics of Jewish blood, including the future saint Edith Stein, while exempting the 9,000 Protestant Jews. Mass deportations soon followed, but Catholics helped thousands to escape and hid another 40,000. Forty-nine priests gave their lives for providing help to Jews. The same story was played out in France and Italy where cardinals, bishops, and priests exhorted the faithful to assist Jews and give them shelter. The model for all Catholics was Pope Pius XII and his heroic and much-documented actions on behalf of Jews in Italy. As the pontiff declared in the 1942 Christmas Message, Catholics should not forget "those hundreds of thousands who, without any fault of their own, sometimes only by reason of their nationality or race, are marked for death or progressive extinction." The Israeli diplomat Pinchas Lapide's 1967 book, The Last Three Popes and the Jews, documented that between 700,000 and 860,000 Jews were saved from death by the Church. More might have been done, but Lapide recorded that even as the Polish Catholics were being crushed (see "The Persecution of Poland," page 21), Catholic clergy and religious saved at least 15,000 (possibly as many as 50,000) Jews. http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/persecution/pch0229.htm |
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http://users.binary.net/polycarp/piusxii.html
We must remember that the Holocaust was also anti-Christian. After Hitler revealed his true intentions, the Catholic Church opposed him. Even the famous Albert Einstein testified to that. According to the December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine on page 38, Einstein said: Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks... Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly. The December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine contains an interesting article about Christians living in Germany, both Catholic and Protestant, who opposed and suffered under the Nazis. On page 38, it claims that by late 1940 over 200,000 Christians were prisoners in Nazi concentration camps, with some estimates as high as 800,000. On page 40, it reports on the Archbishop of Munich, Michael Cardinal von Faulhaber, who led the Catholic opposition in Germany against the Nazis. In an Advent 1933 sermon, he preached: "Let us not forget that we were saved not by German blood but by the blood of Christ!" in response to Nazi racism. In 1934 the Cardinal "narrowly missed a Nazi bullet", while in 1938 a Nazi mob broke the windows in his residence. Even though he was over seventy and in poor health, he still led the Catholic German resistance against Hitler. Not trusting the new regime, the Vatican signed a Concordat with the Reich on July 20, 1933 in an attempt to protect the Church's rights in Germany. But the Nazis quickly violated its articles. In Lent 1937 Pope Pius XI issued the encyclical "Mit brennender Sorge" (With burning sorrow) with the help of German bishops and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII). It was smuggled into Germany and read in all German Catholic churches at the same hour on Palm Sunday 1937. It did not explicitly mention Hitler or Nazism, but it firmly condemned the Nazi doctrines. On September 20, 1938, Pius XI told German pilgrims that no Christian can take part in anti-Semitism, since spiritually all Christians are Semites. But Pope Pius XII was not completely silent either, especially in his Christmas messages. His 1941 and 1942 Christmas messages were both translated and published in The New York Times (Dec. 25, 1941, p. 20 & Dec. 25, 1942, p. 10). To prevent retaliation, he did not refer to Nazism by name, but people of that era still understood him, including the Nazis. According to The New York Times editorial on December 25, 1941 (Late Day edition, p. 24): The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas... he is about the only ruler left on the Continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all... the Pope put himself squarely against Hitlerism... he left no doubt that the Nazi aims are also irreconcilable with his own conception of a Christian peace Now there were traitors in the Church who were Nazis or helped Hitler. There were Catholics who committed sins of bigotry. There were also Catholics, who, out of fear or indifference, sinned through silence. The Church is full of sinners for whom Christ died. We killed Jesus with our sins (Is. 53: 5-6). But Pope Pius XII and many Catholics did not remain "silent." Could 860,000 Jewish lives be saved by "silent" indifference? In our own day, there are people who claim to be Catholic but promote and participate in abortion, assisted-suicide and artificial birth control. In the next century, will the world also falsely accuse the Church and the Pope for being silent during the "culture of death" holocaust? |
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POLAND'S HOLOCAUST: 6 MILLION CITIZENS DEAD
(3 MILLION CHRISTIANS and 3 MILLION JEWS) by Edward Lucaire The best-kept secret in the U.S. about the Holocaust is that Poland lost six million citizens or about one-fifth of its population: three million of the dead were Polish Christians, predominantly Catholic, and the other three million were Polish Jews. The second best-kept secret of the Holocaust is the greatest number of Gentile rescuers of Jews were Poles, despite the fact that only in Poland were people (and their loved ones) immediately executed if caught trying to save Jews. The Yad Vashem museum in Israel honors "the Righteous Among the Nations" and Poland ranks first among 40 nations with 5,503 men and women, almost one-third of the total, honored for their "compassion, courage and morality" and who "risked their lives to save the lives of Jews." HITLER ANNOUNCED, "THE DESTRUCTION OF POLAND IS OUR PRIMARY TASK" The historical record clearly indicates that Hitler had a specific master plan for Poles, whom he hated almost as much as he hated Jews. Poles were regarded as Untermenschen or subhumans and their land was slated to provide Germany with Lebensraum (living space). Before the Nazis invaded Poland, Hitler announced, “The destruction of Poland is our primary task.” He also commanded, “Kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need.” Hitler’s head of secret police, Heinrich Himmler, promised that “all Poles will disappear from the world.” Was this Nazi policy not a clear prescription for the genocide of an entire country? http://holocaustforgotten.com/Lucaire.htm Hitler regarded Poles as only slightly superior to Jews; he was resolved to exterminate Polish culture and identity. His first step was the elimination of the intelligentsia—including the clergy. By the end of 1940 in several regions only ten or twenty percent of the priests remained; the rest were dead or in concentration camps. Bishop Kozal of Vladislava was in Dachau; many other bishops were in exile or in prison. By the end of the war several more Polish bishops would be sent to the camps, 3,000 Polish clergy would have died in them and 800 would be liberated from them by the Allies. It isn't possible to know exactly how many had already been killed or imprisoned by November 1940, but Archbishop Andreas Szeptycki of Lwow must have had some idea. Nevertheless he publicly threatened "with Divine punishment" any who "shed innocent blood," and ordered those who cooperated with the Nazis excluded from the sacraments. Szeptycki also led by example: he hid 21 Jews in his own cathedral, and 183 more in convents and monasteries. "Approximately 500 monks and nuns had knowledge of these facts, but in spite of the death penalty for sheltering Jews and financial rewards for all informers, none of the Metropolitan's wards fell into Nazi hands."16 http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/heroes.htm As Archbishop Szeptycki followed the Pope's lead, his priests followed his. Emanuel Ringelblum noted in his diary entry of December 31, 1940 that the priests of all of Warsaw's churches warned their people against anti-Semitism. By the end of 1943, some 650 Jewish children were hidden in Warsaw churches and convents. According to Lapide, in Poland as a whole, hundreds of Catholic clergy and religious saved at least 15,000—perhaps as many as 50,000. The ghettos and camps seem to have focused Poles' attention on the sufferings of the Jews. There are records of priests exhorting their parishioners to help the nearby Jewish prisoners, and of the people responding by throwing packages of food and clothing over the walls and fences, or smuggling them in—not only into the ghettos and labor camps, but even in some instances into the concentration camps. In July 1942, converted Jews and Jews married to Gentiles were exempted from deportation on the condition that the protests cease. The Protestants complied. The Archbishop of Utrecht issued another protest; the Germans deported all Catholics of Jewish blood, including Edith Stein. To make the message very clear, the Nazis continued to exempt the 9,000 Protestant Jews. Many Holocaust historians cite this as the definitive moment in which the Church understood that bold talk would only exacerbate the plight of the Jews. In February 1943 massive deportations began throughout the country. With nothing left to lose, a pastoral letter was read in all Catholic churches, deploring the injustice and asserting the Church's obligation to testify to immutable laws. The pastoral cited the Pope's defense of the Jews, and concluded: "Should the refusal of collaboration require sacrifices from you, then be strong and steadfast in the awareness that you are doing your duty before God and your fellow men."27 To judge by the numbers, many Catholics heeded this admonition. By the end of the war, 110,000 Dutch Jews were deported; 10,000 were helped to escape; 40,000 were hidden. Of the latter, 15,000 survived. Forty-nine Catholic priests were killed for assisting Jews. Many French bishops protested the persecution; some were deported. Archbishop Gerlier issued pastoral letters to all Catholics of France, urging them to give the Jews every assistance, and to refuse to surrender the hidden children of deportees.35 The Catholics of France obeyed their shepherds. A pro-Nazi French newspaper of Lyons printed the following: "Every Catholic family shelters a Jew. The French authorities provide Jews with false identification papers and passports. Priests help them across the Swiss frontier. In Toulouse, Jewish children have been concealed in Catholic schools; the civilian Catholic officials receive intelligence of a scheduled deportation and advise a great number of the refugee Jews about it, and the result is that about 50 percent of the undesirables escape."36 |
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According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said, 'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'" The Catholic League also quoted Hitler, in a 4/23/99 Op-Ed ad in the New York Times, as saying, "Antiquity was better than modern times, because it didn't know Christianity and syphilis." Ouch!
Historian Paul Johnson wrote that Hitler hated Christianity with a passion, adding that shortly after assuming power in 1933, Hitler told Hermann Rauschnig that he intended "to stamp out Christianity root and branch." As Hitler grew in power, he made other anti-Christian statements. For example, he was quoted in Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, by Allan Bullock, as saying: "I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews." “Hitler spoke of both Protestants and Catholics with contempt, convinced that all Christians would betray their God when they were forced to choose between the swastika and the Cross: ‘Do you really believe the masses will be Christian again? Nonsense! Never again. That tale is finished. No one will listen to it again. But we can hasten matters. The parsons will dig their own graves. They will betray their God to us. They will betray anything for the sake of their miserable jobs and incomes’” (1995, p. 104). The churches sin was less in commission than in omission. Nonetheless, most other institutions usually did far less to oppose Hitler than the Churches (Gerstenmaier, 2003). Nor did Hitler wait until the war ended to begin destroying Christianity. As Johnson concluded, although the “resistance efforts of the clergy have been exaggerated, it is nonetheless no myth that after the first few years of Hitler’s rule the Gestapo and the Nazi Party singled out the clergy for heavy doses of repression to guarantee their silence and their parishioners’ obedience. Thousands of clergymen, both Catholic and Protestant, endured house searches, surveillance, Gestapo interrogations, jail and prison terms, fines, and worse” Dachau concentration camp held the largest number of Catholic priests — over 2,400 — in the Nazi camp system. They came from about 24 nations, and included parish priests and prelates, monks and friars, teachers and missionaries. Over one third of the priests in Dachau alone were killed (Lenz, 2004). One Dachau survivor, Fr. Johannes Lenz, wrote an account of the Catholic holocaust. He claimed that the Catholic Church was the only steadfast fighter against the Nazis. Lenz tells the agony and martyrdom of the physical and mental tortures Dachau inmates experienced. Men and women were murdered by the thousands in Dachau, and those who survived were considered “missionaries in Hell.” The fact is, official Nazi works taught both anti-Semitic and anti-Christian doctrines: “If one believes the anti-Semitic, one should also believe the anti-Christian, for both had a single purpose. Hitler’s aim was to eradicate all religious organizations within the state and to foster a return to paganism” (Dimont, 1994, p. 397 In Hitler’s words “the heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity” (Hitler, 1953, p. 6). The Jesuits were “swine,” and all of Christianity was “Jewish Christianity” which was comparable with “Jewish Bolshevism.” Hitler concluded that both were evil and both had to be destroyed (Kershaw, 2000, pp. 330, 488). His reasoning was based on his belief that Christianity was an “illegitimate” Jewish child and, as a Jewish child, was swine like its parent that must be eradicated. Hitler considered Christianity the “invention of the Jew Saul” (Azar, 1990, p. 154). A major reason Hitler opposed Christianity was because Hitler saw Christianity and Science as diametrically opposed to each other (Azar, 1990, p. 154). He concluded science would win, and the Christian church would eventually in due time be destroyed. Hitler even believed science was the creation of the German race. Hitler was trying to use science — especially Darwinism — to create a utopia on Earth, and he made it absolutely clear that there would be “no place in this utopia for the Christian Churches” in his plans for the future of Germany. He realized that this was a long term goal and “was prepared to put off long-term ideological goals in favor of short-term advantage” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 238). Hitler had to fight one battle at a time — and elected to take on the fight with the churches in due time. The Christian church would be destroyed later, and for now it was needed. Only after the war would Germany be able to fully implement the “final solution” to the “Christian problem” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 516). In the meantime, “calm should be restored ... in relations with the Churches” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 39). But it was “‘clear,’ noted Geobbels, himself numbering among the most aggressive anti-Church radicals, ‘that after the war it has to find a general solution.... There is, namely, an insoluble opposition between the Christian and a Germanic-heroic world-view’” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 449). http://www.trueorigin.org/hitler01.asp |
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It's a shame people can't simply pick up a history book to read about the history of Hitler.Is this how we should teach history?Just post a few photos and say that is that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany The Catholic Church officially condemned the Nazi theory of racism in Germany in 1937 with the Encyclical "Mit Brennender Sorge", signed by Pope Pius XI. Smuggled into Germany to avoid prior censorship and read from the pulpits of all German Catholic churches, it condemned Nazi ideology [20] as "insane and arrogant". It denounced the Nazi myth of "blood and soil", decried neopaganism of Nazism, its war of annihilation against the Church, and even described the Führer himself as a 'mad prophet possessed of repulsive arrogance.' Although there is some difference of opinion as to the impact of the document, it is generally recognized as the "first ... official public document to criticize Nazism" According to Eamon Duffy "The impact of the encyclical was immense, and it dispelled at once all suspicion of a Fascist Pope."[24] The "infuriated" Nazis increased their persecution of Catholics and the Church[25] by initiating a "long series" of persecution of clergy and other measures.[26][27] Gerald Fogarty asserts that "in the end, the encyclical had little positive effect, and if anything only exacerbated the crisis."[28] The American ambassador reported that it “had helped the Catholic Church in Germany very little but on the contrary has provoked the Nazi state...to continue its oblique assault upon Catholic institutions.” Frank J. Coppa asserts that the encyclical was viewed by the Nazis as "a call to battle against the Reich" and that Hitler was furious and "vowed revenge against the Church".[29] Thomas Bokenkotter writes that, "the Nazis were infuriated, and in retaliation closed and sealed all the presses that had printed it and took numerous vindictive measures against the Church, including staging a long series of immorality trials of the Catholic clergy."[22] The German police confiscated as many copies as they could and called it “high treason.” According to Owen Chadwick, the "infuriated" Nazis increased their persecution of Catholics and the Church.[30] According to John Vidmar, Nazi reprisals against the Church in Germany followed thereafter, including "staged prosecutions of monks for homosexuality, with the maximum of publicity".[31] Shirer reports that, "[d]uring the next years, thousands of Catholic priests, nuns and lay leaders were arrested, many of them on trumped-up charges of 'immorality' or 'smuggling foreign currency'. Into the early 1930s the German Center Party, the German Catholic bishops, and the Catholic media had been mainly solid in their rejection of National Socialism. They denied Nazis the sacraments and church burials, and Catholic journalists excoriated National Socialism daily in Germany's 400 Catholic newspapers. The hierarchy instructed priests to combat National Socialism at a local level whenever it attacked Christianity. The real issue was not, as the Nazis contended, a struggle with 'political Catholicism', but that the regime would tolerate the Church only if it adapted its religious and moral teaching to the materialist dogma of blood and race - that is, if it ceased to be Christian. When the Nazi government violated the concordat (in particular article 31), German bishops and the Holy See protested against these violations. Between September 1933 and March 1937 Pacelli issued over seventy notes and memoranda protesting such violations. When Nazi violations of the Reichskonkordat escalated to include physical violence, Pope Pius XI issued the 1937 encyclical Mit brennender Sorge.[17][18] quote "Violence had been used against a Catholic leader as early as June 1934, in the 'Night of the Long Knives' ... by the end of 1936 physical violence was being used openly and blatantly against the Catholic Church. During Hitler’s visit to Rome in 1938, Pius XI and Pacelli avoided meeting with him by leaving Rome a month early for the papal summer residence of Castel Gandolfo. The Vatican was closed, and the priests and religious brothers and sisters left in Rome were told not to participate in the festivities and celebrations surrounding Hitler’s Visit. On the Feast of the Holy Cross, Pius XI said from Castel Gandolfo, “It saddens me to think that today in Rome the cross that is worshipped is not the Cross of our Saviour.” In 1941 the Nazi authorities decreed the dissolution of all monasteries and abbeys in the German Reich, many of them effectively being occupied and secularized by the Allgemeine SS under Himmler. However, on July 30, 1941 the Aktion Klostersturm (Operation Monastery) was put to an end by a decree of Hitler, who feared the increasing protests by the Catholic part of German population might result in passive rebellions and thereby harm the Nazi war effort at the eastern front. |
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Just want to make it simple and clear. "Christianity" kills no one. Tells us not to, quite simple. "Christians" may have killed in certain times through history, but in no way represents Christianity for it teaches quite the contrary. Exactly right Cowboy!You will also not find any justification for someone going on a killing spree using the bible as the reason for your killing.If they do they are a liar and they are wrong. |
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I don't think I would want illegals going door to door supporting my cause.Isn't that kind of like having the mafia and the drug lords going door to door asking you to support someone?
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Yes I do believe it will.Obama can veto a bill but Obamas veto can be thrown out with a 75% vote in the Senate.If the Republicans take over they can chop and hack that bill into a whole different meaning.Republicans can vote to defund Obama care.On top of that every state has it's own Constitution.A state can simply amend it's Constitution to say nobody has to buy into Obama care.The Fed's are powerless to do anything with that one.
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