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Topic: Beginning and End of Juan Williams story,,,
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Thu 10/21/10 10:30 AM
http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2010/10/npr_memo_to_stations_why.php


TIGER owed me no apology, I have no contract with him
CHENEY owes me no apology, I have no contract with him


WILLIAMS owed NPR his job, had a contract with them, and breached it after several warnings,,,

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Thu 10/21/10 10:34 AM
And so he got fired!

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Thu 10/21/10 10:37 AM
And nobody cares.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 10/21/10 10:39 AM

http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2010/10/npr_memo_to_stations_why.php


TIGER owed me no apology, I have no contract with him
CHENEY owes me no apology, I have no contract with him


WILLIAMS owed NPR his job, had a contract with them, and breached it after several warnings,,,


Is this the same man who is "scared" of Muslims and got fired for it?

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Thu 10/21/10 10:45 AM


http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2010/10/npr_memo_to_stations_why.php


TIGER owed me no apology, I have no contract with him
CHENEY owes me no apology, I have no contract with him


WILLIAMS owed NPR his job, had a contract with them, and breached it after several warnings,,,


Is this the same man who is "scared" of Muslims and got fired for it?
Yep.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 10/21/10 10:57 AM
Poor man, he bought into the fear mongering and now has to pay the price for it. And it sounds like he did so many good things too.

That is too bad but it does show that people sometimes don't realize when they are being bigoted.

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Thu 10/21/10 11:21 AM

Poor man, he bought into the fear mongering and now has to pay the price for it. And it sounds like he did so many good things too.

That is too bad but it does show that people sometimes don't realize when they are being bigoted.



or breaching contracts,,,


I truly dont think it will be the end of him though, just at npr

and I wish him and his family the best,, this economy is no joke,,

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Thu 10/21/10 01:07 PM



Juan Williams was the smartest person on NPR, now its just as intellectual as a kindergarten class.

TonkaTruck3's photo
Thu 10/21/10 01:13 PM
NPR has always been a joke anyways.

msharmony's photo
Thu 10/21/10 03:32 PM




Juan Williams was the smartest person on NPR, now its just as intellectual as a kindergarten class.



not smart enough not to breach his contract, apparently,,,

but I will always appreciate the balance NPR offers,,,

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Thu 10/21/10 03:41 PM
Don't know for how long but, he's been a FOX contributor for a while.

Maybe, they'll take him on.

msharmony's photo
Thu 10/21/10 03:43 PM

Don't know for how long but, he's been a FOX contributor for a while.

Maybe, they'll take him on.



they probably will, I think most of us (myself included) feel a sense of 'validation' if those formerly seen as opponents decide to 'join our side'


I know as a christian, I love to hear of a non believer having a change of faith,,,

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Thu 10/21/10 03:57 PM
Juan tells a much different story than what is being presented here. But what would he know?ohwell

Begin quote:

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as Muslims.

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the terrorist attacks of 9/11 by radical Muslims. In a debate with Bill O’Reilly I revealed my fears to set up the case for not making rash judgments about people of any faith. I pointed out that the Atlanta Olympic bomber -- as well as Timothy McVeigh and the people who protest against gay rights at military funerals -- are Christians but we journalists don’t identify them by their religion.

And I made it clear that all Americans have to be careful not to let fears lead to the violation of anyone’s constitutional rights, be it to build a mosque, carry the Koran or drive a New York cab without the fear of having your throat slashed. Bill and I argued after I said he has to take care in the way he talks about the 9/11 attacks so as not to provoke bigotry.

This was an honest, sensitive debate hosted by O’Reilly. At the start of the debate Bill invited me, challenged me to tell him where he was wrong for stating the fact that “Muslims killed us there,” in the 9/11 attacks. He made that initial statement on the ABC program, "The View," which caused some of the co-hosts to walk off the set. They did not return until O’Reilly apologized for not being clear that he did not mean the country was attacked by all Muslims but by extremist radical Muslims.

I took Bill’s challenge and began by saying that political correctness can cause people to become so paralyzed that they don’t deal with reality. And the fact is that it was a group of Muslims who attacked the U.S. I added that radicalism has continued to pose a threat to the United States and much of the world. That threat was expressed in court last week by the unsuccessful Times Square bomber who bragged that he was just one of the first engaged in a “Muslim War” against the United States. -- There is no doubt that there's a real war and people are trying to kill us.

Mary Katharine Ham, a conservative writer, joined the debate to say that it is important to make the distinction between moderate and extreme Islam for conservatives who support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on the premise that the U.S. can build up moderate elements in those countries and push out the extremists. I later added that we don’t want anyone attacked on American streets because “they heard rhetoric from Bill O’Reilly and they act crazy.” Bill agreed and said the man who slashed the cabby was a “nut” and so was the Florida pastor who wanted to burn the Koran.

My point in recounting this debate is to show this was in the best American tradition of a fair, full-throated and honest discourse about the issues of the day. -- There was no bigotry, no crude provocation, no support for anti-Muslim sentiments of any kind.

Two days later, Ellen Weiss, my boss at NPR called to say I had crossed the line, essentially accusing me of bigotry. She took the admission of my visceral fear of people dressed in Muslim garb at the airport as evidence that I am a bigot. She said there are people who wear Muslim garb to work at NPR and they are offended by my comments. She never suggested that I had discriminated against anyone. Instead she continued to ask me what did I mean and I told her I said what I meant. Then she said she did not sense remorse from me. I said I made an honest statement. She informed me that I had violated NPR’s values for editorial commentary and she was terminating my contract as a news analyst.

I pointed out that I had not made my comments on NPR. She asked if I would have said the same thing on NPR. I said yes, because in keeping with my values I will tell people the truth about feelings and opinions.

I asked why she would fire me without speaking to me face to face and she said there was nothing I could say to change her mind, the decision had been confirmed above her, and there was no point to meeting in person. To say the least this is a chilling assault on free speech. The critical importance of honest journalism and a free flowing, respectful national conversation needs to be had in our country. But it is being buried as collateral damage in a war whose battles include political correctness and ideological orthodoxy.

I say an ideological battle because my comments on "The O’Reilly Factor" are being distorted by the self-righteous ideological, left-wing leadership at NPR. They are taking bits and pieces of what I said to go after me for daring to have a conversation with leading conservative thinkers. They loathe the fact that I appear on Fox News. They don’t notice that I am challenging Bill O’Reilly and trading ideas with Sean Hannity. In their hubris they think by talking with O’Reilly or Hannity I am lending them legitimacy. Believe me, Bill O’Reilly (and Sean, too) is a major force in American culture and politics whether or not I appear on his show.

Years ago NPR tried to stop me from going on "The Factor." When I refused they insisted that I not identify myself as an NPR journalist. I asked them if they thought people did not know where I appeared on the air as a daily talk show host, national correspondent and news analyst. They refused to budge.

This self-reverential attitude was on display several years ago when NPR asked me to help them get an interview with President George W. Bush. I have longstanding relationships with some of the key players in his White House due to my years as a political writer at The Washington Post. When I got the interview some in management expressed anger that in the course of the interview I said to the president that Americans pray for him but don’t understand some of his actions. They said it was wrong to say Americans pray for him.

Later on the 50th anniversary of the Little Rock crisis President Bush offered to do an NPR interview with me about race relations in America. NPR management refused to take the interview on the grounds that the White House offered it to me and not their other correspondents and hosts. One NPR executive implied I was in the administration’s pocket, which is a joke, and there was no other reason to offer me the interview. Gee, I guess NPR news executives never read my bestselling history of the civil rights movement “Eyes on the Prize – America’s Civil Rights Years,” or my highly acclaimed biography “Thurgood Marshall –American Revolutionary.” I guess they never noticed that "ENOUGH," my last book on the state of black leadership in America, found a place on the New York Times bestseller list.

This all led to NPR demanding that I either agree to let them control my appearances on Fox News and my writings or sign a new contract that removed me from their staff but allowed me to continue working as a news analyst with an office at NPR. The idea was that they would be insulated against anything I said or wrote outside of NPR because they could say that I was not a staff member. What happened is that they immediately began to cut my salary and diminish my on-air role. This week when I pointed out that they had forced me to sign a contract that gave them distance from my commentary outside of NPR I was cut off, ignored and fired.

And now they have used an honest statement of feeling as the basis for a charge of bigotry to create a basis for firing me. Well, now that I no longer work for NPR let me give you my opinion. This is an outrageous violation of journalistic standards and ethics by management that has no use for a diversity of opinion, ideas or a diversity of staff (I was the only black male on the air). This is evidence of one-party rule and one sided thinking at NPR that leads to enforced ideology, speech and writing. It leads to people, especially journalists, being sent to the gulag for raising the wrong questions and displaying independence of thought.

Daniel Schorr, my fellow NPR commentator who died earlier this year, used to talk about the initial shock of finding himself on President Nixon’s enemies list. I can only imagine Dan’s revulsion to realize that today NPR treats a journalist who has worked for them for ten years with less regard, less respect for the value of independence of thought and embrace of real debate across political lines, than Nixon ever displayed.

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Thu 10/21/10 04:00 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 10/21/10 04:05 PM
I wish him the best, but in ANY other job, when your boss asks you to tone your behavior in alignment with your contractual obligations,, you do it or you lose your job


he is in a position where he must be an unbiased mediator, npr presents both sides of an issue without TAKING sides ( I listen to it almost daily), only asking the questions to initiate the discussion

by making that seemingly 'unbigoted' statement, he is managing to publicly verify a position which may then alter the future appearances of any muslims that might be invited on that show

imagine if a black facilitator had said when he sees a white male he hides his daughter, or a white man had said when he sees black youth he gets scared?

TRUE AND HONEST or not, I think that would cause future white males or black males on that facilitators show to take pause when involved in any discussion with that person

for an NPR facilitator, I am sure the result would be at the LEAST a warning and then a release from the contract if the warning wasnt adhered to

if its a job whose requirements dont sit well with you, dont take it, but dont ***** about it if you are fired for not abiding by the standards AND not adhering to the WARNINGS,,,,

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Thu 10/21/10 04:24 PM

I wish him the best, but in ANY other job, when your boss asks you to tone your behavior in alignment with your contractual obligations,, you do it or you lose your job


he is in a position where he must be an unbiased mediator, npr presents both sides of an issue without TAKING sides ( I listen to it almost daily), only asking the questions to initiate the discussion

by making that seemingly 'unbigoted' statement, he is managing to publicly verify a position which may then alter the future appearances of any muslims that might be invited on that show

imagine if a black facilitator had said when he sees a white male he hides his daughter, or a white man had said when he sees black youth he gets scared?

TRUE AND HONEST or not, I think that would cause future white males or black males on that facilitators show to take pause when involved in any discussion with that person

for an NPR facilitator, I am sure the result would be at the LEAST a warning and then a release from the contract if the warning wasnt adhered to

if its a job whose requirements dont sit well with you, dont take it, but dont ***** about it if you are fired for not abiding by the standards AND not adhering to the WARNINGS,,,,


You seem to have missed the point that he was not on NPR when he spoke and his freedom of speech is what NPR is attacking.

NPR is the most slanted of all media. They are extremely selective about who gets it and who doesn't deserve it.

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Thu 10/21/10 04:49 PM


I wish him the best, but in ANY other job, when your boss asks you to tone your behavior in alignment with your contractual obligations,, you do it or you lose your job


he is in a position where he must be an unbiased mediator, npr presents both sides of an issue without TAKING sides ( I listen to it almost daily), only asking the questions to initiate the discussion

by making that seemingly 'unbigoted' statement, he is managing to publicly verify a position which may then alter the future appearances of any muslims that might be invited on that show

imagine if a black facilitator had said when he sees a white male he hides his daughter, or a white man had said when he sees black youth he gets scared?

TRUE AND HONEST or not, I think that would cause future white males or black males on that facilitators show to take pause when involved in any discussion with that person

for an NPR facilitator, I am sure the result would be at the LEAST a warning and then a release from the contract if the warning wasnt adhered to

if its a job whose requirements dont sit well with you, dont take it, but dont ***** about it if you are fired for not abiding by the standards AND not adhering to the WARNINGS,,,,


You seem to have missed the point that he was not on NPR when he spoke and his freedom of speech is what NPR is attacking.

NPR is the most slanted of all media. They are extremely selective about who gets it and who doesn't deserve it.



I am not missing the point, in his CONTRACT with npr are stipulations regarding public speech, period

if he felt those stipulations went against his 'freedom of speech' he should not have taken the job and the paycheck from that company,,,

msharmony's photo
Thu 10/21/10 04:52 PM
http://www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/ethics/ethics_code.html#outside

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Thu 10/21/10 04:55 PM
he shouldn't have been so racist...not ALL muslims bombs under their clothes...

msharmony's photo
Thu 10/21/10 04:58 PM

he shouldn't have been so racist...not ALL muslims bombs under their clothes...



its really not even all that complex,,its about CONTRACTS

in my personal life, I have the freedom to express my self with my wardrobe, but my JOB might require me to refrain from certain clothing

in my personal life, I might have the freedom to make whatever exploitive presentations I wish or engage in whatever sexual activity, but If I am a TEACHER, I may find that I will lose my job if a nude photo is found on the internet


our personal choices are a different matter from the contractual AGREEMENTS We make with others,,,,he broke his, he lost his job

like anyone else breaking an agreement could,,,,

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Thu 10/21/10 05:28 PM


he shouldn't have been so racist...not ALL muslims bombs under their clothes...



its really not even all that complex,,its about CONTRACTS

in my personal life, I have the freedom to express my self with my wardrobe, but my JOB might require me to refrain from certain clothing

in my personal life, I might have the freedom to make whatever exploitive presentations I wish or engage in whatever sexual activity, but If I am a TEACHER, I may find that I will lose my job if a nude photo is found on the internet


our personal choices are a different matter from the contractual AGREEMENTS We make with others,,,,he broke his, he lost his job

like anyone else breaking an agreement could,,,,


contracts had nothing to do with it... they didn't like what he said.
oh, and he was just hired by fox in a multi year deal...so much for fox being racist, huh

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/10/21/npr.analyst.fired/index.html?hpt=T2

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