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Sun 10/12/08 12:15 AM




Why is this in the Religion forum?
The very basis of politics is religion!

and thats whats wrong with this countryfrustrated frustrated frustrated


frustrated
yep!

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Sun 10/12/08 12:14 AM
I'm not really here! You are all halucinating!

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Sun 10/12/08 12:11 AM

HOW THE TWINS OF WAR AND CHANCE, ÁHAIYÚTA AND MÁTSAILÉMA, FARED WITH THE UNBORN-MADE MEN OF THE UNDERWORLD
TRANSLATOR'S INTRODUCTION
Heretofore I have withheld from publication such single examples of Zuñi folk-lore as the following, in order that the completer series might be brought forth in the form of an unbroken collection, with ample introductory as well as supplementary chapters, essential to the proper understanding by ourselves of the many distinctively Zuñi meanings and conceptions involved in the various allusions with which any one of them teems. Yet, to avoid encumbering the present example with any but the briefest of notes, I must ask leave to refer the reader to the more general yet detailed chapters I have already written in the, main, and with which, I have reason to hope, I will ere long be able to present the tales in question. Meanwhile, I would refer likewise to the essay I have recently prepared for the Thirteenth Annual Report of the Bureau of American Ethnology, on Zuñi Creation Myths in their relation to primitive dance and other dramaturgic ceremonies.

Ever one of my chief story-tellers was Waíhusiwa,--of the priestly kin of Zuñi. He had already told me somewhat more than fifty of the folk tales, long and short, of his people, when one night I asked him for "only one more story of the grandfathers." Wishing to evade me, he replied with more show than sincerity:

[1. Reprinted from the Journal of American Folk-Lore, vol. V., No. 16, pp. 49-56.]

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There is a North, and of it I have told you té-la-p'-na-we.[1] There is a West; of it also I have told you té-la-p'-na-we. There are the South and East; of them likewise have I told you té-la-p'-na-we. Even of the Above have I not but lately told you of the youth who made love to his eagle and dwelt apace in the Sky-world? And of the great World-embracing Waters? You have been told of the hunter who married the Serpent-maiden and journeyed to the Mountain of Sunset. Now, therefore, my word-pouch is as empty as the food-pack of a lost hunter, and--"

"Feel in the bottom of it, then," interposed old Pálowahtiwa, who was sitting near, "and tell him of the Underworld."

"Hi-ta! [Listen!] brother younger," said Waíhusiwa, nonplussed but ever ready. "Did you ever hear tell of the people who could not digest, having, forsooth, no proper insides wherewithal to do so? Did you ever hear of them, brother younger?"

"Nay, never; not even from my own grandfathers," said I. "Sons éso to your story; short be it or long."[1]

"Sons éso tse-ná!" ("Cool your 'sons éso!' and wait till I begin.")--F. H. C.

ZUÑI INTRODUCTION
It seems--so the words of the grandfathers say--that in the Underworld were many strange things and beings, even villages of men, long ago.

[1. From té-na-la-a, "time or times of," and pé-na-we, words or speeches (tales): "tales of time."

2. The invariable formula for beginning a folk tale is, by the raconteur: "Són ah-tchi!" ("Let us take up")--té-la-p'-ne, or "a folk tale," being understood. To this the auditors or listeners respond: "É-so!" (" Yea, verily.") Again, by the raconteur: "Sons i-nó-o-to-na! Tem," etc. ("Let us (tell of) the times of creation! When," etc.) Again, by the listeners: "Sons éso! Te-ä-tú!" ("Yea, let us, verily! Be it so.")]

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But the people of those villages were unborn-made,--more like the ghosts of the dead than ourselves, yet more like ourselves than are the ghosts of the dead, for as the dead are more finished of being than we are, they were less so, as smoke, being hazy, is less fine than mist, which is filmy; or as green corn, though raw, is soft like cooked corn which is done (like the dead), and as both are softer than ripe corn which, though raw, is hardened by age (as we are of meat).

And also, these people were, you see, dead in a way, in that they had not yet begun to live, that is, as we live, in the daylight fashion.

And so, it would seem, partly like ourselves, they had bodies, and partly like the dead they had no bodies, for being unfinished they were unfixed. And whereas the dead are like the wind, and take form from within of their own wills (yän'te-tseman), these people were really like the smoke,[1] taking form from without of the outward touching of things, even as growing and unripe grains and fruits do.

[1. The Zuñi classification of states of growth or being is as elaborate as that of relative space in their mythology--both extremely detailed and systematic, yet, when understood, purely primitive and simple. The universe is supposed to have been generated from haze (shí-wai-a) produced by light (of the All-container, Sun-father) out of darkness. The observed analogy of this in nature is the appearance of haze (both heat and steam) preceding growth in springtime; the appearance of the world, of growing and living things, through mist seemingly rising out of the darkness each morning. In harmony with this conception of the universe is the correlative one that every being (as to soul, at least) passes through many successive states of becoming, always beginning as a shí-u-na hâ-i (haze being), and passing through the raw or soft (k'ya-pi-na), the formative (k'yaí-yu-na), variable (thlím-ni-na), fixed or done {footnote p. 401} (ak-na), and finished or dead (ä-shï-k'ya) states; whilst the condition of the surpassing beings (gods) maybe any of these at will (i-thlim-na, or thlim-nah-na, etc.). There are many analogies of this observed by the Zuñi, likening, as he does, the generation of being to that of fire with the fire-drill and stick. The most obvious of these is the appearance, in volumes, of "smoke-steam" or haze just previously to ignition, and its immediate disappearance with ignition. Further, the succession of beings in the becoming of a complete being may be regarded as an orderly personification of growth phenomena as observed in plants and seeds; for example, in corn, which is characterized by no fewer than thirteen mystic names, according to its stages of growth. This whole subject is much more fully and conclusively set forth in the writings to which I have already referred.]

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Well, in consequence, it was passing strange what a state they were in! Bethink ye! Their persons were much the reverse of our own, for wherein we are hard, they were soft--pliable. Wherein we are most completed, they were most unfinished; for not having even the organs of digestion, whereby we fare lustily, food in its solidity was to them destructive, whereas to us it is sustaining. When, therefore, they would eat, they dreaded most the food itself, taking thought not to touch it, and merely absorbing the mist thereof. As fishes fare chiefly on water, and birds on air, so these people ate by gulping down the steam and savor of their cooked things whilst cooking or still hot; then they threw the real food away, forsooth!

THE TALE
NOW, the Twain Little-ones, Áhaiyúta and Mátsailéma,[1] were ever seeking scenes of

[1. For the mythic origin of these two chief gods under the Sun, as his right- and left-hand being, their relation to chance, war, games, etc., I again refer the reader to the Zuñi Creation Myths.]

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contention; for what was deathly and dreadful to others was lively and delightful to them; so that cries of distress were ever their calls of invitation, as to a feast or dance is the call of a priest to us.

On a day when the world was quiet, they were sitting by the side of a deep pool. They heard curious sounds coming up through the waters, as though the bubbles were made by moans of the waters affrighted.

"Uh!" cried the elder. "What is that?"

The younger brother turned his ear to the ground and listened.

"There is trouble down there, dire trouble, for the people of the Underworld are shrieking war-cries like daft warriors and wailing like murder-mourners. What can be the matter? Let us descend and see!"

"Just so!" said Áhaiyúta.

Then they covered their heads with their cord-shields[1]--turned upside down--and shut their eyes and stepped into the deep pool.

"Now we are in the dark," said they, "like the dark down there. Well, then, by means of the dark let us go down"--for they had wondrous power, had those Twain; the magic of in-knowing-how thought had they.

[1. Pi-a-la-we (cord or cotton shields), evidently an ancient style of shield still surviving in the form of sacrificial net-shields of the Priesthood of the Bow. But the shields of these two gods were supposed to have been spun from the clouds which, supporting the sky-ocean, that in turn supported the sky-world (as this world is believed to. be supported by under-waters and clouds), were hence possessed of the power of floating upward when turned up, downward when reversed.]

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Down, like light through dark places, they went; dry through the waters; straight toward that village in the Underworld.

"Whew! the poor wretches are already dead," cried they, "and rotting"--for their noses were sooner accustomed to the dark than their eyes, which they now opened.

"We might as well have spared ourselves the coming, and stayed above," said Áhaiyúta.

"Nay, not so," said Mátsailéma. "Let us go on and see how they lived, even if they are dead."

"Very well," said the elder; and as they fared toward the village they could see quite plainly now, for they had made it dark (to themselves) by shutting their eyes in the daylight above, so now they made it light (to themselves) by opening their eyes in the darkness below and simply looking,--it was their way, you know.

"Well, well!" said Mátsailéma, as they came nearer and the stench doubled. "Look at the village; it is full of people; the more they smell of carrion the more they seem alive!"

"Yes, by the chut of an arrow!" exclaimed Áhaiyúta. "But look here! It is food we smell--cooked food, all thrown away, as we throw away bones and corn-cobs because they are too hard to eat and profitless withal. What, now, can be the meaning of this?"

"What, indeed! Who can know save by knowing," replied the younger brother. "Come, let us lie low and watch."

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So they went very quietly close to the village, crouched down, and peered in. Some people inside were about to eat. They took fine food steaming hot from the cooking-pots and placed it low down in wide trenchers; then they gathered around and sipped in the steam and savor with every appearance of satisfaction; but they were as chary of touching the food or of letting the food touch them as though it were the vilest of refuse.

"Did you see that?" queried the younger brother. "By the delight of death,[1] but--"

"Hist!" cried the elder. "If they are people of that sort, feeding upon the savor of food, then they will hear the suggestions of sounds better than the sounds themselves, and the very demon fathers would not know how to fare with such people, or to fight them, either!"

"Hah! But already the people had heard! They set up a clamor of War, swarming out to seek the enemy, as well they might, for who would think favorably of a sneaking stranger under the shade of a house-wall watching the food of another? Why, dogs growl even at their own offspring for the like of that!

"Where? Who? What is it?" cried the people, rushing hither and thither like ants in a shower. "Hah! There they are! There! Quick!" cried they, pointing to the Twain, who were cutting away to the nearest hillock. And immediately they fell to singing their war-cry.

[1. Hé-lu-ha-pa; from hé-lu, or élu, "hurrah," or "how delightful and há-pa, a corpse-demon, death.]

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"Ha-a! Sús-ki!
Ó-ma-ta
Há-wi-mo-o!
Ó-ma-ta,
Ó-ma-ta Há-wi-mo!"

sang they as they ran headlong toward the Two, and then they began shouting:

"Tread them both into the ground! Smite them both! Fan them out! Ho-o! Ha-a! Há-wi-mo-o ó-ma-ta."

But the Twain laughed and quickly drew their arrows and loosed them amongst the crowd. P'it! tsok! sang the arrows through and through the people, but never a one fell.

"Why, how now is this?" cried the elder brother.

"We'll club them, then!" said Mátsailéma, and he whiffed out his war-club and sprang to meet the foremost whom he pummelled well and sorely over the head and shoulders. Yet the man was only confused (he was too soft and unstable to be hurt); but another, rushing in at one side, was hit by one of the shield-feathers and fell to the ground like smoke driven down under a hawk's wing.

"Hold, brother, I have it! Hold cried Áhaiyúta. Then he snatched up a bunch of dry plume-grass and leaped forward. Swish! Two ways he swept the faces and breasts of the pursuers.

[1. This, like so many of the folk-tale songs, can only be translated etymologically or by extended paraphrasing. Such songs are always jargonistic, either archaic, imitative, or adapted from other languages of tribes who possibly supplied incidents to the myths themselves; but they are, like the latter, strictly harmonized with the native forms of expression and phases of belief.]

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Lo! right and left they fell like bees in a rainstorm, and quickly sued for mercy, screeching and running at the mere sight of the grass-straws.

"You fools!" cried the brothers. "Why, then, did ye set upon us? We came for to help you and were merely looking ahead as becomes strangers in strange places, when, lo! you come running out like a mess of mad flies with your 'Ha-a sús-ki ó-ma-la!' Call us coyote-sneaks, do you? But there! Rest fearless! We hunger; give us to eat."

So they led the Twain into the court within the town and quickly brought steaming food for them.

They sat down and began to blow the food to cool it, whereupon the people cried out in dismay: "Hold! Hold, ye heedless strangers; do not waste precious food like that! For shame!"

"Waste food? Ha! This is the way we eat! said they, and clutching up huge morsels they crammed their mouths full and bolted them almost whole.

The people were so horrified and sickened at sight of this, that some of them sweated furiously,--which was their way of spewing--whilst others, stouter of thought, cried: "Hold! hold! Ye will die; ye will surely sicken and die if the stuff do but touch ye!"

"Ho! ho!" cried the Twain, eating more lustily than ever. "Eat thus and harden yourselves, you poor, soft things, you!"

Just then there was a great commotion. Everyone rushed to the shelter of the walls and houses, shouting to them to leave off and follow quickly.

{p. 407}

"What is it?" asked they, looking up and all around.

"Woe, woe! The gods are angry with us this day, and blowing arrows at us. They will kill you both! Hurry!" A big puff of wind was blowing over, scattering slivers and straws before it; that was all!

"Brother," said the elder, "this will not do. These people must be hardened and be taught to eat. But let us take a little sleep first, then we will look to this."

They propped themselves up against a wall, set their shields in front of them, and fell asleep. Not long after they awakened suddenly. Those strange people were trying to drag them out to bury them, but were afraid to touch them now, for they thought them dead stuff, more dead than alive.

The younger brother punched the elder with his elbow, and both pretended to gasp, then kept very still. The people succeeded at last in rolling them out of the court like spoiling bodies, and were about to mingle them with the refuse when they suddenly let go and set up a great wail, shouting "War! Murder!"

"How now?" cried the Twain, jumping up. Whereupon the people stared and chattered in greater fright than ever at seeing the dead seemingly come to life!

"What's the matter, you fool people?"

"Akaa kaa," cried a flock of jays.

"Hear that!" said the villagers. "Hear that, and ask what's the matter! The jays are coming;

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whoever they light on dies-run you two! Aii! Murder!" And they left off their standing as though chased by demons. On one or two of the hindmost some jays alighted. They fell dead as though struck by lightning!

"Why, see that!" cried the elder brother--"these people die if only birds alight on them!"

"Hold on, there!" said the younger brother. "Look here, you fearsome things!" So they pulled hairs from some scalp-locks they had, and made snares of them, and whenever the jays flew at them they caught them with the nooses until they had caught every one. Then they pinched them dead and took them into the town and roasted them. "This is the way," said they, as they ate the jays by morsels.

And the people crowded around and shouted: "Look! look! why, they eat the very enemy say nothing of refuse!" And although they dreaded the couple, they became very conciliatory and gave them a fit place to bide in.

The very next day there was another alarm. The Two ran out to learn what was the matter. For a long time they could see nothing, but at last they met some people fleeing into the town. Chasing after them was a cooking-pot with earrings of onions.[1] It was boiling furiously and

[1. The onion here referred to is the dried, southwestern leek-clove, which is so strong and indigestible that, when eaten raw and in quantity, gives rise to great distress, or actually proves fatal to any but mature and vigorous persons. This, of course, explains why it was chosen for its value as a symbol of the vigor (or "daylight perfection" and invincibility) of the Twin gods.]

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belching forth hot wind and steam and spluttering mush in every direction. If ever so little of the mush hit the people they fell over and died.

"He!" cried the Twain;

"Té-k'ya-thla-k'ya
Í-ta-wa-k'ya
Äsh'-she-shu-kwa!

--As if food-stuff were made to make people afraid!" Whereupon they twitched the ear-rings off the pot and ate them up with all the mush that was in the pot, which they forthwith kicked to pieces vigorously.

Then the people crowded still closer around them, wondering to one another that they could vanquish all enemies by eating them with such impunity, and they begged the Twain to teach them how to do it. So they gathered a great council of the villagers, and when they found that these poor people were only half finished, . . . they cut vents in them (such as were not afraid to let them). . . . and made them eat solid food, by means of which they were hardened and became men of meat then and there, instead of having to get killed after the manner of the fearful, and others of their kind beforetime, in order to ascend to the daylight and take their places in men born of men.

And for this reason, behold! a new-born child may eat only of wind-stuff until his cord of viewless sustenance has been severed, and then only by sucking milk or soft food first and with much distress.

{p. 410}

Behold! And we may now see why, like newborn children are the very aged; childish withal--á-ya-vwi[1];--not only toothless, too, but also sure to die of diarrhœa if they eat ever so little save the soft parts and broths of cooked food. For are not the babes new-come from the Shi-u-na[2] world; and are not the aged about to enter the Shi-po-lo-a[3] world, where cooked food unconsumed is never heeded by the fully dead?

Thus shortens my story.

[1. Dangerously susceptible, tender, delicate.

2. Hazy, steam-growing.


Thats much better!

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Sun 10/12/08 12:09 AM

Why is this in the Religion forum?
The very basis of politics is religion!

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Sun 10/12/08 12:06 AM



Originating from scout ships or large Mother Ships, we will reveal through radio, T.V. and computer networks, the true picture of the world's history, also of conspiracies to deny you a cache of technology. Broadcasts will explain how people of the Inner Earth have looked after you. They have prepared an almost endless array of enclaves for you, Eden-like realms where you will complete your mutation into fully conscious Beings. The special places built for you are fully operational and waiting. Mass landings will be delayed until the time arrives to deliver you to your new temporary homes, in Inner Earth. Heaven has set aside a period from mere weeks to almost 14 months to serve as a transition.

So, how's mom do'in?
laugh
Really, how is she? by the way, this is a trick question so do a little research B-4 U answer!

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Sun 10/12/08 12:04 AM
Please Tribo, paraphrase!

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Sat 10/11/08 11:59 PM
Edited by arkdanimal on Sun 10/12/08 12:02 AM
Can you pass that over here? The song said "everybody must get stoned"!!!lol

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Sat 10/11/08 11:58 PM

well well, you got the first part correct and it only tok you 11, 500 hours good for you - now spend the same amount of time reading the zohar and other related boks on jewish numbers and maybe if the lightings good that you read by, you may come up with what alot of people already know as to who that man is/was.

the rest of what you state is so far off in so many ways and on so many levels i can't even respond, - maybe miles will do me the favor, im not even going to waste my time.


tisk, tisk, for someone with your obvious enlightenment, you sure seem to have a closed mind. Are you saying that there is not more than one diminsion?

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Sat 10/11/08 11:50 PM
Sorry I'm out of rocks!

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Sat 10/11/08 11:47 PM
or are they both the same?

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Sat 10/11/08 11:41 PM
Maybe if everyone dies there will be no more evil!

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Sat 10/11/08 11:36 PM

government symbol:

the government today announced that it is changing the national symbol to a "condom" because:

it more accurately reflects the governments political stance - a condom allows for inflation, halt's production, destroys the next generation's, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while being screwed!


boy it just doesn't get much more accurate than that. winking
yep! did you hear about the push to show porn on those new screens at the gas pumps? It's so we can watch someone else getting screwed at the same time we are getting screwed!

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Sat 10/11/08 11:33 PM

Originating from scout ships or large Mother Ships, we will reveal through radio, T.V. and computer networks, the true picture of the world's history, also of conspiracies to deny you a cache of technology. Broadcasts will explain how people of the Inner Earth have looked after you. They have prepared an almost endless array of enclaves for you, Eden-like realms where you will complete your mutation into fully conscious Beings. The special places built for you are fully operational and waiting. Mass landings will be delayed until the time arrives to deliver you to your new temporary homes, in Inner Earth. Heaven has set aside a period from mere weeks to almost 14 months to serve as a transition.

So, how's mom do'in?

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Sat 10/11/08 11:29 PM

Don't talk to mirrors, the people in them may not know of which they speak!
See what I mean!

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Sat 10/11/08 11:25 PM
Don't talk to mirrors, the people in them may not know of which they speak!

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Sat 10/11/08 11:24 PM
Talk abotu crap! know thyself first, then look around at the rest of the world!

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Sat 10/11/08 11:20 PM
lots of Rotten fruit being posted!

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Sat 10/11/08 11:12 PM
Maybe this will help, 666 is the mark of a man. God created man on the sixth day, (understand that a day to man is not the same as a day to God). Man had the ability to choose whether or not to be honest, he chose not to! The four horsemen of the apocolypse!!!...the scriptures tell us to take care to breed/create horses. It also tells us that only the father knows when the son will return. There were thoughts given by Christ as to what to look for to let us know when the second advent of Christ would be. To understand them we must realize that much of the scriptures are analogies and comparisons between the physical and the spirit forms of existance. One of the most common mis-interprtations of today is about giving praise in tongues. One form of giving praise to God is the act of studying about him and asking him to be your guide in your studies, or praying in the spirit. If we really want to know what God will have us to do, we must ask him, not other people, me included, to show us the way. There are many study helps available to people who are seeking a relationship with God. Use them, but ask God to direct you and he will help you see the truth. Love ya all

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Sat 10/11/08 10:52 PM
you are in prayer's, keep the faith, God loves us all!

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Sat 10/11/08 10:50 PM
most assuredly you and your family are in my prayer's!

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