Well I never thought this day would come but I have to agree with you Lindyy. The cops did nothing wrong here. If the police deemed it necessary to put together a team to go through at the early AM hours to make sure things were secured then obviously that area has had some problems in the past with crime. So they tried to awaken the homeowners by knocking on the door. When no one answered they didn't know if they were just heavy sleepers or if someone was inside robbing and murdering the family. So they entered the house. (Not looking for anything of a crime or anything. Just to make sure the homeowners were okay)

Then when they find a bunch of children having a sleepover and in this type of danergous situation it escalates a little bit because of the carelessness of the homeowner. So they go and wake him up to inform him of the potential dangers that he put himself and his family in. I mean if it was some type of robber the robber could have gone inside. Murdered all of the children of the sleepover. Killed the father, loaded up his truck with stuff from the house and high tailed it out of there.

And by the way to all those saying they had no legal right. If police officers feel that something isn't right with a situation or they are checking on the safety of someone they are allowed to enter a residence uninvited or without a warrant. Even if it means breaking into the house. (Which they didn't even have to this time since the door was open.)

Can I come too??

Sure, I will try it. I have been meaning to go back and reread a few passages of the Bible and brush up on a few things as there have been a few threads I wasn't able to comment on because of my lack of remembering as much as I would have liked too. So while I am rereading the parts I need too I will see if I can be brought into agreement with it. I love experiments.

First of all sharing what God says about others gods from HIS word is one thing. After that....

No one here, Christians...including myself...has EVER called pagans etc etc, uneducated or backwards for what they believe. that is a HUGE misconception that I am referring to.

I can't stop you from following what you want, but I just ask people here to keep an open mind about God Jehovah & His Son Jesus. This is about as open minded as I will get in that while there is life there is hope for all men through Christ Jesus.

One day you will exhaust yourselves out looking for that inner peace ... don't make it hard for yourselves by closing a door you might want to open again one day...is all I ask.

God bless...




Well to be fair I have never seen anyone on here call Christians backwards or uneducated, at least not in those exact words. I have however seen people who knew nothing about Christianity posting about things they don't understand, Just like I have seen Christians posting things about pagans they don't understand. I would repost those things here but last time that was brought up the threads got deleted for inappropriateness so I will avoid that for now.

As for exhausting myself looking for inner peace. That I fear is not possible because I already have inner peace. There is no need for me to look farther because I have been at peace with myself for years and man is it liberating to know that. The cool thing about that inner peace is that I know that because I am at peace with myself. Any door I have ever been through is open for me to walk through any time I want too. I don't need to close off other avenues to myself in order to progress further in my life. Although at the same time I don't need to waste my time backtracking either.

I am confused what you mean by that statement. "Whenever I recognize my own unbelief in his word to ask him to bring me into agreement WITH HIM on it??"

What exactly do you mean by that? Cause to me it sounds like you are saying that if I don't believe what I am reading because there is something about it that is just illogical or just hard to grasp that I should just ask God to make me believe in the illogicalness of it. Basically close my eyes to what makes sense and just trust Gods word.

I could totally be reading that wrong but that's my understanding to what you are saying. So if I am wrong please correct me. That comment really did confuse me a bit.

QUICKSTEPPER SAID:

Yes well I also apologize for being short. This is what happens when my more carnal side comes out. LOL Please forgive me for that.

It does anger me that some just brush aside what people of faith are saying...from experience, as foolishness because they have not had that experience, it doesn't make it false, just to justify themeselves. Some have even called Christians backwards & uneducated which is hardly the truth at all.

Some of the long windedness of posters is very hard to keep up with & grammatically hard to read as well, so maybe I'm not always catching what someone is saying. When I read some of things people write about Christians & Christianity, the horribleness of it requires a response because of it's deceptions.

(sigh) There is so much to faith that people don't realize ... BUT... When we share our faith we are being accused of bible thumping etc etc. I just won't tolerate those sort of cop out excuses anymore from people who don't really know what they are talking about.

Anything less than faith in action & the birth of God's spirit living in man is the real lie. Not only because God's word says so, but because I experienced it & that spirit life of Jesus lives in me.






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Okay, I just need to point out the irony of this post because this seems like exactly the type of response I would write to you talking about paganism and some of the other religions that differ from yours. In fact let me just change a few things and we will see how it works out.






"Yes well I also apologize for being short. This is what happens when my more carnal side comes out. LOL Please forgive me for that.

It does anger me that some just brush aside what people of faith are saying...from experience, as foolishness because they have not had that experience, it doesn't make it false, just to justify themeselves. Some have even called Pagans backwards & uneducated which is hardly the truth at all.

Some of the long windedness of posters is very hard to keep up with & grammatically hard to read as well, so maybe I'm not always catching what someone is saying. When I read some of things people write about Pagans and satanists the horribleness of it requires a response because of it's deceptions.

(sigh) There is so much to other faiths that people don't realize ... BUT... When we share our faith we are being accused of worshipping false gods and spreading evil. I just won't tolerate those sort of cop out excuses anymore from people who don't really know what they are talking about."

Lol, sorry, That first line was my attempt at a joke. I know you are more than content where you are at. Nothing wrong with that.

lol, if you feel culturally deprived because of a lack of pagan beliefs then perhaps something is amiss with the path you are on. Just something to think about.

To be fair I didn't think you meant anything bad by your comment. I think the point that Karma was trying to make was that some people may have taken offense if they didn't have a sense of humor. And as Lily pointed out that happens on both ends so as far as I am concerned there are no hard feelings.

Lol, guess I interpreted wrong. The post was not about his motives, by my curiousity is about his motives. Just another thing that doesn't make sense to me if he created us just because but he didn't need his creation for anything.

I think there is a little bit yes, As in what motivation did God have to create this world if he does not need it? Did he just get bored one day and decide he wanted to create life and that was it. Or did he need to do it for a specific purpose and therefore we are around because he needed something from us?

That's true and thank you for that correction Lily, I should have made it clear that I am not generalizing everyone. That is why I usually stay away from that argument in general about, Well why is it okay if you guys bash us but we can't even disagree with you or we are bashing you.

There have been many times I have wanted to make that argument in a thread but I just kept my mouth shut because I didn't want to deal with all the people getting defensive on both sides but I figured since Karmafury brought it up this time why not?

Although yes, there are some pagans out there that are just as bad when it comes to not understanding as much as they should about what they are talking about and end up saying things that they shouldn't say. It comes from both sides of the road so people should just learn to take it in stride.

See, the reason that religions don't do what you are suggesting, putting in that page that says that really no matter what you believe we should all love one another. Is because if they did that there would be no reason for religions. Despite what people want you to believe. Most religions are out there to make money. It's a numbers buisness just like anything else. Most religions try to draw you in by offering you some big reward if you join up and follow their path. Or even worse some may not offer you a reward at all. They just say, Join us or you will suffer in eternal damnation for your lack of faith. Most religions can't put in that tagline that it's okay for you to love other people just because they are people because if they did, people wouldn't need the religions.

This is the major problem right there. "I think the problem can be that many just read one book and stick to it only. They don't want to learn other religious beliefs let alone the time it takes."

And this is what I have been arguing with multiple people with over the last few days. Not so much that people choose one path that they think is right and they stick to it. I will never have a problem with that and I find it commendable that they have something that works for them. The problem I have is when people just assume that that is the ultimate answer and they then decide they don't need to learn anymore.

The moment you decide you have the right answer and you decide to stop learning is the moment a big part of you dies. Whether we realize it or not. On average we only use 10 percent of our brains. Think of the expanding possibilities that we can unlock the more we strive to learn. Although most people are content to take the easy road and stick with one thing. Which is fine if that works for them. Although that means that they sacrafice the ability to comment on and berate the things they don't understand.

That's kind of what I figured but wanted to make sure. Appriciate it Tribo.

LOL! It's funny that you say that. My roommate is also an avid gamer and has a love of fantasy concepts and he is always going on about how he doesn't need religion because it's all fantasy anyway. He just chooses to dedicate his time to something more fun. He is always saying that that is why Religious people and gamers don't get along. Because they are both reading out of the same rulebooks, only the covers are slightly different.

Good Morning Tribo!

So what are you Hmmmming about? Do you feel something I said was wrong or was that more of an inquisitive Hmmmm... I'm sorry I can't tell. :-D

See, now this is an interesting question because you would think that there is something like that in there from a religion that is supposed to be loving and forgiving. While it is true that Jesus taught tolerance of other religions, In the sense that if someone did not want to hear his word he would not force it onto them. He would not berate them, He would simply move on and talk to the next soul that would listen.

Although that does not mean that those souls would still be welcomed into his eternal kingdom after their passing. To them those people were lost souls who were worshipping false gods and therefor breaking the commandments sent down. So while Jesus accepted their differences it does not mean they would be accepted into Heaven. Which is why you see so many conversations to that effect going on today. People wondering why it's not enough to just be a good person and help your fellow man. How God could be so petty that just because one does not believe in him, even though in order to believe in him you would have to rid yourself of any type of logical thought and just accept things on blind faith. But just because you don't believe you are doomed to an eternity of suffering.

Does that sound like a God that is loving and forgiving and understanding?

Anyway, I digress. To answer your question simply. According to the bible and Christians today. God loves everyone, whether they believe or not, but no that is not enough to get you to eternal salvation under the rule of that same God.

Woohoo!!

Sure, that is easy to say now. What Karma was trying to say is that if a pagan went into a Christian thread and made a joke like that. You know, just having a sense of humor we would be yelled at for Christian bashing. Whether that was Yasha's intention or not, obviously it was taken that way by someone. Although thats okay. I don't expect you to acknowledge that anyway. Afterall Christians can do no wrong, right?

*Rathil grins a bit as he hears Azareak talk to Draven and hears the vampire actually never made it back to the guild. Rathil shrugs as the fate of the vampire really doesn't matter to him. He turns around to walk away feeling that Azareak will be fine now that she has turned on one of her own. He sends another electrifying jolt into Tihalan as he passes for good measure since it is the dwarfs fault he has had to put up with so much nonsense tonight.

Tihalan moans in extreme pain again as he is hit with the jolt. Rathil smiles to himself as he walks off into the night.*