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Blood sacrifice
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MorningSong
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Sun 03/11/12 04:14 PM
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Btw Cowboy.....Jesus did NOT " take our place" in hell.
That is Incorrect. Jessu BORE our sins on the cross and paid the price in Full...on the cross. Jesus siad, "It is Finished". That means Done. Paid for IN FULL....meaning.....Jesus did NOT have to also " take our place " in hell. The meaning of Jesus descending into hell is explained below. Now....by Our believing and accepting Jesus , this PREVENTS us from going to hell..but again, Jesus did NOT have to " take our place" in hell . Here..this will clarify : ........................................................ Question: "Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection?" Answer: There is a great deal of confusion in regards to this question. This concept comes primarily from the Apostles' Creed, which states, “He descended into hell.” There are also a few Scriptures which, depending on how they are translated, describe Jesus going to “hell.” In studying this issue, it is important to first understand what the Bible teaches about the realm of the dead. In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means the “place of the dead” or the “place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek word that is used for hell is “hades,” which also refers to “the place of the dead.” Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicate that sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 gives a clear distinction between the two. Hell (the lake of fire) is the PERMANENT and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades is a TEMPORARY place. So, no, Jesus did not go to hell because hell is a future realm, only put into effect after the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). Sheol/hades is a realm with TWO DIVISIONS (Matthew 11:23, 16:18; Luke 10:15, 16:23; Acts 2:27-31), the abodes of the saved and the lost. The abode of the saved was called “paradise” and “Abraham's bosom.” The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus ascended to heaven, He took the occupants of paradise (believers) WITH Him (Ephesians 4:8-10). The LOST SIDE of sheol/hades has remained unchanged. All unbelieving dead go there awaiting their final judgment in the future. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according to Ephesians 4:8-10 and 1 Peter 3:18-20. Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages as Psalm 16:10- 11 as translated in the King James Version, “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption....Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a correct translation of this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus’ body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to the “paradise” side of sheol/hades. He then removed all the righteous dead from paradise and took them with Him to heaven. Unfortunately, in many translations of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,” and “hell.” Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “hell” or the suffering side of sheol/hades in order to further be punished for our sins. This idea is completely unbiblical. It was the death of Jesus on the cross and His suffering in our place that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that effected our own cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7-9). As He hung there on the cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. He became sin for us: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This imputation of sin helps us understand Christ's struggle in the garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin which would be poured out upon Him on the cross. When Jesus cried upon the cross, “Oh, Father, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46), it was then that He was separated from the Father because of the sin poured out upon Him. As He gave up His spirit, He said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46). His suffering in our place was completed. His soul/spirit went to the paradise side of hades. Jesus did not go to hell. Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return to glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to hell? No. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes. gotquestions.org 
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Topic:
Blood sacrifice
Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 03/11/12 02:51 PM
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“In whom we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, even the
FORGIVENESS OF SINS.” —Colossians 1:14 Hebrews 9:12 “Neither by the blood of goats and calves,BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD He entered in once into the holy place, having OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION FOR US.” In the old testament( foreshadow of things to come) ,The death of the Passover Lamb Was NOT Enough. When the Lord was going to pass over Egypt and destroy the firstborn, he said to Moses and Aaron in Exodus 12:13... "And the BLOOD shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and WHEN I SEE THE BLOOD, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt." Point being.... The DEATH of the lamb wasn't enough, the BLOOD had to be applied . God wasn't looking for a dead lamb in the backyard; No, rather, God was looking for the APPLIED BLOOD on the doorposts and lintel (doorplate) above the door. The BLOOD had to be applied. There is REDEMPTIVE POWER in the BLOOD of Jesus. Jesus BORE our Sins on that cross and paid the price in full by shedding His BLOOD for us ( there is life in the blood)....... When we believe and receive what Jesus has done for us all, our sins are FORGIVEN AND NOW UNDER THE BLOOD.
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Topic:
Blood sacrifice
Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 03/11/12 12:30 PM
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Topic:
Blood sacrifice
Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 03/11/12 12:46 PM
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Obedience is better than sacrifice.
That is what that scripture means....God really prefers obedience. Although God initiated the sacrificial system( no matter how much you may try to discount the bible and say otherwise, Peter_Pan), God really wanted the Israelites's Obedience instead....but God already KNEW they could not obey( thus the reason God initiated the sacrificial system). But then God stepped down and became the Ultimate sacrifice HIMSELF...once and for all time......so that When we believe and accept Jesus ( Who became the Ultimate sacrifice for us all) now, God comes to dwell in us now and HELPS and ENABLES us to obey now, wherefore before, we were not able to obey on our own. When we believe and accept Jesus, God in His Love and Mercy actually steps inside our hearts, and makes us new creations in Christ Jesus now, and give us a heart of Love for God now ....and also places in us a WILLING desire to Please and OBEY God now. What an Awesome God ...Who knew we coud not obey..and so He steps inside our hearts instead, TO HELP AND ENABLE us to OBEY now. Awesome Awesome God !!! We Love You ,Lord !!!!  <<<< tears of joy
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Topic:
Blood sacrifice
Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 03/10/12 06:04 PM
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Question: "What is the meaning of the blood of Christ?"
Answer: The phrase “blood of Christ” is used several times in the New Testament and is the expression of the sacrificial death and full atoning work of Jesus on our behalf. References to the Savior’s blood include the reality that He literally bled on the cross, but more significantly that He bled and died for sinners . The blood of Christ has the power to atone for an infinite number of sins committed by an infinite number of people throughout the ages, and all whose faith rests in that blood will be saved. The reality of the blood of Christ as the means of atonement for sin has its origin in the Mosaic Law. Once a year, the priest was to make an offering of the blood of animals on the altar of the temple for the sins of the people. “In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness” (Hebrews 9:22). But this was a blood offering that was limited in its effectiveness, which is why it had to be offered again and again. This was a foreshadowing of the “once for all” sacrifice which Jesus offered on the cross (Hebrews 7:27). Once that sacrifice was made, there was no longer a need for the blood of bulls and goats. The blood of Christ is the basis of the New Covenant. On the night before He went to the cross, Jesus offered the cup of wine to His disciples and said, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you” (Luke 22:20). The pouring of the wine in the cup symbolized the blood of Christ which would be poured out for all who would ever believe in Him. When He shed His blood on the cross, He did away with the Old Covenant requirement for the continual sacrifices of animals. Their blood was not sufficient to cover the sins of the people, except on a temporary basis, because sin against a holy and infinite God requires a holy and infinite sacrifice. “But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins” (Hebrews 10:3). While the blood of bulls and goats were a “reminder” of sin, “the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:19) paid in full the debt of sin we owe to God, and we need no further sacrifices for sin. Jesus said, “It is finished” as He was dying, and He meant just that—the entire work of redemption was completed forever, “having obtained eternal redemption” for us (Hebrews 9:12). Not only does the blood of Christ REDEEM believers from sin and eternal punishment, but “His blood will make our consciences pure from useless acts so we may serve the living God” (Hebrews 9:14 NCV). This means that not only are we now free from having to offer sacrifices which are “USELESS” to obtain salvation, but we are FREE from having to rely on worthless and unproductive WORKS OF THE FLESH TO PLEASE GOD. Because the blood of Christ has REDEEMED us, we are now NEW CREATIONS IN CHRIST (2 Corinthians 5:17), and BY HIS BLOOD (there is LIFE in the blood) we are FREED FROM SIN , SO WE CAN NOW SERVE THE LIVING GOD, AND GLORIFY HIM , AND ENJOY HIM FOREVER. AMEN. gotquestions.org ( ps....all info shared in the above posts have been thoroughly checked out before posting ,to be sure it all lines up with the Word of God.)
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Blood sacrifice
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Question: "Why did the sacrificial system require a blood sacrifice?"
Answer: The whole of the Old Testament, every book, points toward the Great Sacrifice that was to come—that of Jesus’ sacrificial giving of His own life on our behalf. Leviticus 17:11 is the Old Testament’s CENTRAL STATEMENT about the significance of blood in the sacrificial system. God, speaking to Moses, declares: “For the LIFE of a creature IS IN THE BLOOD, and I HAVE GIVEN IT TO YOU TO MAKE ATONEMENT for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.” A “sacrifice” is defined as the offering up of something precious for a cause or a reason. Making atonement is satisfying someone or something for an offense committed. The Leviticus verse can be read more clearly now: God said “I have given it to you (the creature’s life, which is in its blood) to make atonement for yourselves (covering the offense you have committed against Me).” In other words, those who are covered by the blood sacrifice are set free from the consequences of sin. Of course the Israelites did not know of Jesus per se, or how He would die on their behalf and then rise again, but they did believe God would be sending them a Savior. ALL of the many, many blood sacrifices seen throughout the Old Testament were FORESHADOWS OF THE TRUE,ONCE-AND-FOR-ALL-TIMES SACRIFICE TO COME so that the Israelites would never forget that without the blood, there is no sacrifice. This shedding of blood is a substitutionary act.Therefore the last clause of Leviticus 17:11 could be read either “the blood ‘makes atonement’ at the cost of the life” (i.e. the animal’s life) or “makes atonement in the place of the life,” i.e. the sinner’s life, with Jesus Christ being the One giving life through His shed blood. Hebrews 9: 11-18 confirms in the New Testament the symbolism of BLOOD AS LIFE and applies Leviticus 17:11 to the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Verse 12 states clearly that the Old Testament blood sacrifices were temporary and only atoned for sin partially and for a short time, hence the need to repeat the sacrifices yearly. But when Christ entered the holy place, He did so to offer His own blood once for all time, making future sacrifices unnecessary. This is what Jesus meant by His dying words on the cross: “IT IS FINISHED” (John 19:30). NEVER AGAIN would the blood of bulls and goats cleanse men from their sin. Only by ACCEPTING Jesus’ blood, shed on the cross for the REMISSION of sins, can we stand before God COVERED in the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST (2 Corinthians 5:21). gotqustions.org 
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Blood sacrifice
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Question: "If God hates human sacrifice, how could
Jesus’ sacrifice be the payment for our sins?" Answer: The Bible makes it quite clear that God hates human sacrifice. The pagan nations that surrounded the Israelites practiced human sacrifice as part of the worship of false gods. God declared that such “worship” was detestable to Him and that He hates it (Deuteronomy 12:31, 18:10). Furthermore, human sacrifice is associated in the Old Testament with evil practices such as sorcery and divination, which are also detestable to God (2 Kings 21:6). So, if God hates human sacrifice, why did He sacrifice Christ on the cross and how could that sacrifice be the payment for our sins? There is no doubt that a sacrifice for sin was necessary if people are to have any hope of eternal life. God established the necessity of the shedding of blood to cover sin (Hebrews 9:22). In fact, God HIMSELF PERFORMED the very FIRST animal sacrifice to COVER, TEMPORARILY, the SIN of Adam and Eve. He killed an animal, shedding its blood, and made from it a covering for Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:21), thereby instituting the principle of animal sacrifice for sin. When He gave the Law to Moses, there were extensive instructions on how, when, and under what circumstances animal sacrifices were to be offered to Him. This was to continue until Christ came to offer the ULTIMATE PERFECT SACRIFICE which made animal sacrifice no longer necessary. “But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins (Hebrews 10:3-4). There are several reasons why the sacrifice of Christ on the cross does not violate the prohibition against human sacrifice. First, JESUS WASN'T MERELY HUMAN. If He were, then His sacrifice would have also been a temporary one because one human life couldn’t possibly cover the sins of the multitudes who ever existed. Neither could one finite human life atone for sin against an INFINITE GOD . The ONLY viable sacrifice must be an INFINITE one, which means ONLY GOD HIMSELF COULD ATONE FOR THE SINS OF MANKIND. ONLY GOD HIMSELF, ANN INFINITE BEING COULD PAY THE PENALY OWED TO HIMSELF !!!!!! This is WHY GOD HAD TO BECOME A MAN AND DWELL AMONG MEN. God had to BECOME MAN and DWELL among men (John 1:14). No other sacrifice would suffice. Second, God didn't sacrifice Jesus. Rather, JESUS ,AS GOD INCARNATE ,SACRIFICED HIMSELF. NO ONE FORCED HIM .He LAID DOWN HIS LIFE WILLINGLY , as He made clear speaking about His life: “NO ONE TAKES IT FROM ME, BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MY OWN ACCORD. I HAVE AUTHORITY TO LAY IT DOWN and AUTHORITY TO TAKE IT UP AGAIN ” (John 10:18). God the Son sacrificed HIMSELF to God the Father and thereby
FULFILLED ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW . Unlike the temporary sacrifices, JESUS'S ONCE-AND-FOR-ALL-TIME SACRIFICE was FOLLOWED by His RESURRECTION.. He laid down His life and took it up again, thereby PROVIDING ETERNAL LIFE FOR ALL WHO WOULD EVER BELIEVE in Him and ACCEPT His sacrifice for their sins. He did this OUT OF LOVE FOR THE FATHER and for ALL THOSE THE FATHER HAD GIVEN HIM (John 6:37-40). gotquestions.org
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Topic:
You can be Buddha!
Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 03/10/12 02:16 AM
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1 John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that GOD IS LIGHT, and IN Him is NO DARKNESS at all. John 8:12
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I AM THE LIGHT of the world. Whoever follows me will NEVER WALK IN DARKNESS, but will have the LIGHT OF LIFE." Isaiah 2:5
Come, O house of Jacob, let us WALK IN THE LIGHT OF THE LORD. ((((((Lustpema))))))
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 03/08/12 06:16 PM
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Sin_and_Sorrow......Choco does not claim to be a
christian...neither does Funches or you...so therefore , you three are NOT considered false teachers .
You three (as well as some others ) are just still unbelievers who express your opinions....which is welcome and is fine... I have no problem with that at all
A false teacher however, is one who CLAIMS to BE A BELIEVER BUT MISREPRESENTS THE BIBLE ,by SPREADING ERRORS and TWISTING SCRIPTURES.... yet will still CLAIM to be a Christian !!! Again...I have no problem whatsoever with unbelievers on here...or with peoples's differences among the denominations or non -denominations....that is fine too ....( and no Funches, Cowboy is NOT even a non-denomimational christian...his beliefs in NO WAY represent Christianity on here at all!!!) Even when Cowboy says Jesus is OUR GOD, he means Jesus is "our" God (separate entity ) ONLY...and he beleives The Father is another God(another entity entirely ), and he beleives The Father is ONLY Jesus's God, not our God (cause he thinks they are 2 separated ENTITIES ENTIRELY... and not just separate PERSONS WITHIN ONE ENTITY ,as Christians belieive). To him Jesus was assigned to be our God only...and The Father is God only over Jesus. When he says they are One, he ONLY means they are under "ONE TITLE called God" ONLY. God is just a "TITLE " of AUTHORITY to him, not a Supreme Being. THAT is why he thinks we are "Gods" too....so according to him , we have authority too..so that maked us Gods too...and we ALL are also under the " title" of "One God". (Did not the enemy ALSO try to be like the most High God, too? ) That is why this is all false teaching on Cowboy's part , and NOT coming from God at all !! This is NOT what Christiaity teaches at all...tHIS is just his own FALSE teaching on here !!! Sin_and+Sorrow.Becasue you are new on here and not a Christian, I don't like to just stand by and watch while you and others are contantly being exposed to this false teaching of Cowboys. But No one can stop him from continuing to COMPLETELEY MISREPRESENTS GOD'S WORD....and TWIST God's Word on here..... Again... I am not talking about just some minor denominationaL or non denomination differences among believers... I am talking about MAJOR FALSE MISREPRESENTATION OF GOD'S WORD....WHICH IS WHAT CULTS AND FASSE TEACHERS DO. But again...the nonbelievers on here are fine...and are welcome...as are also other christians on here. There is a Big difference between false teachers ,versus just unblievers just expressing their opinions.
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 03/08/12 04:02 PM
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Cowboy..we see you HARMING people on here every
day with your FALSE GOSPEL... We decided because you are unteachable, to just let you be....and let God. That's all. We are not supposed to continue bothering with an unteachable person. But we do continue to pray for you... and for the Precious People on here to be protected from false teachers . |
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Topic:
A different view... on satan
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I agree.
Nite now.
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Topic:
A different view... on satan
Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 03/08/12 02:30 AM
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Jesus said," if I be lifted up,I Will Draw ALL men
towards me." Now .... God's Word did NOT say, " if HELL and CONDEMNATION be lifted up, I will draw ALL men towards me." But is hell( sheol , hades) real? Yes. And God warns us in His Word about hell. (and God's Word also descibes hell...and it is not just a grave.....there are different meanings to some words in scripture...but God makes the meaning of hell very clear to us in scripture.) But God also draws us towards Him. God didn't come to condemn us to hell...God came to SAVE us. But God wants us to be with Him so much, and is why He also lets us know of the seriousness of hell. Yes.... Hell is a real place Peter_Pan..and don't let the devil fool you into beleiving such a place does not exist. Cause the devil seeks whom he may devour...and is out to win souls...also. Again.... God warns us in His Word about hell, cause he doesn't want to lose any of us to hell. In fact, Jesus the Good Shepherd loves us all so much, that He will look for that one lost sheep, until he finds that one lost sheep , and brings that lost sheep home. That's because God loves us and wants us all to be with Him ..for all of eternity .
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Topic:
A different view... on satan
Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 03/08/12 01:39 AM
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And another thing some false teachers do:
They try to take the word hell out of the bible. |
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Topic:
A different view... on satan
Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 03/08/12 01:34 AM
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Come on, Peter_pan.... Hades is the standard TRANSLATION for Sheol in the Septuagint, Josephus, Philo of Alexandria, and other Jewish works written in Greek. That's all it is...a word translation from hebrew to greek!!! Sure..the word hades has many different meanings...BUT the bible clearly shows what meaning of hades is being referred to..which is nothing more than the greek translation of the hebrew word sheol. NOTHING MORE !!! The bible is NOT telling us to believe in myths, just because the hebrew word sheol is translated into the greek word hades!!!
ps....You know, the devil is not stupid !!! He is very clever and cunning !!! But he is a liar also. And what better tactic for satan to use to win souls, then to bring false teachers into the fold, who then twist scriptures to actually try to convince people that the bible contains errors !! What better way for satan to get back at God !!! Satan wants to be AS God..and he also knows scripture !!! And knows how to twist scripture very well. And some people fall for his his tricks...hook, line, and sinker. Just like Eve did in the garden..... 
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Topic:
A different view... on satan
Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 03/08/12 12:23 AM
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Peter_Pan......
The bible says that secret heresies will sneak into the FOLD. NOT sneak into The BIBLE (as you seem to think) ....but into the FOLD. God's Sheepfold !!! God will not allow His Holy Word to have lies and myths and errors mixed in , as you seem to believe. God is Holy. God's HOLINESS and Lies do NOT mix. God IS The Word. God's Word does NOT contain Lies either. God is a Much Bigger God than you give Him credit for... and is therrfore, MORE Than ABLE to KEEP WATCH over His WORD. Nite now..
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Topic:
A different view... on satan
Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 03/08/12 12:07 AM
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The sad part is this:
FALSE teachers will present Bibical TRUTH also....right along WITH their ERRONEOUS teaching .... but here's the thing... they usually will HIDE the false teaching at first,and wait until one is sucked into their cult !!!! NOTICE: In the "STATEMENT OF FAITH" located on the Shepherd's Chapel homepage, there is NO MENTION WHATSOVER ,of their "SERPENT SEED TEACHING" !!! IT REMAINS HIDDEN TIL LATER...IN OTHER WORDS... IT IS KEPT SECRET AT FIRST !!
( Btw...The Bible even tells us that SECRET HERESIES would sneak into the fold ( to scatter God's sheep and lead many astray).
If one googles info on the Shepeherd's Chapel..it will mention the Shepherd's Chapel serpent seed doctrine that they follow.but sadly, it is not even mentioned on their homepage. This is how cults fool people into falling for them...
the erroneous part of their teaching is kept SECRET until one is sucked in !!!
ps....on the Shepherd Chapel's webiste, the "Answers to critics" link only briefly mentions the serpent seed doctrine....just enough is mentioned to keep it "palitable" to the reader , of course.....and therefore, The TRUTH of what the serpent seed doctine is really all about, is NEVER EVEN MENTIONED AT ALL!!!!!
In fact, just a few scriptures are mentioned on the link.....to make the serpent seed doctrine appear as no big deal...... and no one is actually aware yet of how the cult will TWIST those very same scriptures later on...and then the real truth is only found out too late... after one is already sucked into the cult !!! I am praying people WILL get DELIVERED and SET FREE from this cult..
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i dont even know what you watched i think they used used tapes to kill is not to feed our self it is to lie in wait to murder someone Sex for pleasure is lust I didn't watch anything. I read his statement. And the link next to it. Such was his own written words. He said he "preaches/believes in" the Serpent Seed Doctrine. trust me, or even ask Morning Song, that's one thing I know A LOT about. "The Serpent Seed doctrine" is one of many false teachings circulating around out there..... God's Word said this woud happen....
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I believe and accept all of God's Word.
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Edited by
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Wed 03/07/12 07:54 PM
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That was GOD HIMSELF on that cross....NOT just a
mere human being.... GOD THE SON WAS FULLY MAN AS WELL AS FULLY GOD. NO mere human being could EVER Pay the penalty for our sins. ONLY GOD COULD !!! AND GOD DID!!!!!! And the Trinity speaks of ONE TRI_UNE GOD.....WHO IS ONLY ONE GOD. WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD. ONLY.
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