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MorningSong
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Mon 03/05/12 06:22 PM
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God allows killing for food, for instance.....Because
of our fallen nature.... but God never did condone killing.... |
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MorningSong
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Mon 03/05/12 06:13 PM
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Actually, Funches is referring to the overall
deeper meaning of what God's Word is actually saying. God created a perfect world..it was never God's intent for us to kill anything....even to eat...but our fallen nature allowed sin to come in....and now we kill to eat and animals also kill to eat only because of our fallen nature......but again, that was never God's will for man at all.... so therefore,I believe the deeper meaning of God's Word, is what Funches is actually referring to.... In the beginning there was no need to kill..... but in the new heaven and the new earth, we once more will live in peace with one another...where the lion will lie down with the Lamb...and there will be no more killing ...and no more night...no more darkness.....just perfect peace and God's perfect love IN the heart of all........ where the light of the world will be The SON Himself.... and we will all be living the way God intended for us to live...all along...in God's Perfect Plan... where there will be perfect Love and Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards man. God does not condone killing..God is only allowing certian things , til all things according to His Word come to pass. 
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.........God's Infallible Word
God Himself attests to His Word being perfect: 2 Peter 1:20-21 "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." The Holy Spirit cannot provide an imperfect revelation. Those who regard the Bible as error-prone are blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, the Scripture's Author. 2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." Note that the word "all" is used. "All Scripture is God-breathed. . ." Yet mortals would breathe upon the Bible to disregard what they don't like and keep what they do like. That is the height of hubris and will answer at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Proverbs 30:5-6 "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar." Note the words "every word" are used. "Every word of God is flawless. . ." John 12:47-50 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say." Note: ". . .whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say." The Father cannot be mistaken, though some mortals claim Him to be in His ability to communication divine revelation. Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." Note that ". . .the word of God. . .judges the thoughts. . ." Those discounting the divine revelation set forth in the Scriptures will regret the moment they ever started on that course. Jeremiah 23:29 "'Is not My word like fire?' declares the LORD, 'and like a hammer which shatters a rock?'" John 12:48 "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. Rejecting the inerrant Word of God will convict the rebellious one at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Psalms 12:6: ". . .the words of the LORD are flawless." Can God speak more clearly than that? Psalms 119:89: "Your word, O LORD, is eternal, it stands firm." Dare one earthly mortal contest the eternal truth of divine revelation? Matthew 5:18: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Christ is most efficient in His overview of the divine inspiration. ". . .one jot or one tittle. . ." John 10:35: "...and the scripture cannot be broken." Those who break the Word of God will be broken by it at the Last Day. Revelation 22:18-19 "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." What applies to this divine revelation by extrapolation applies to any divine revelation throughout the Word of God. What about the severe passages in the Old Testament? In the Old Testament, God commanded the death penalty in twenty-some cases. This was not because God was barbaric, but because God was civil. The Israeli twelve tribes had no law enforcement agencies. Further, they were surrounded by barbarisms of strange magnitudes exhibited by neighboring pagan nations. Consequently, for God to establish an Israeli civil community, He set forth stringent punishments — some being the death penalty. He Himself became, in other words, the Law Enforcement Agency for the new nation of Israel. That chosen community thereby was to model morality / civility to the surrounding nations. Extremely severe penalties then were commanded by God in order to bring in line an Israeli community which tended to be unruly like its neighbors. If God had been lax in penalties, human nature, being what it is, would have tested gladly the boundaries. But when penalties were severe, human nature thought twice before testing the boundaries, hence the death penalty prescribed by God in some instances. However, once Israel lost its nationhood by "going a-whoring after other loves," Israel's civil structure disappeared. Israel as a nation lost its temple, its government — that is, its two primary components of culture — religion and politics. Pagan nations then ruled over the heretofore nation of God. In this loss was the disappearance of death penalties previously prescribed by God. The death penalty period as dictated by divine revelation, in other words, ended near the close of the Old Testament era. That is why when Jesus appeared as flesh-and-bones divine revelation, He pronounced, "You used to say, 'An eye for an eye,' but now I say to you: Love your enemies." Jesus pronounced a civility of love toward one's enemies. "Love your foes, pray for your foes." This was the New Testament for it was now a new way of dealing with others — all others. Government was now established primarily within the believer rather than under Israeli kings. "The Kingdom of God is within you." Law was now primarily of the heart. "My law will be written on your hearts." That was the new politic. Further, the tabernacle was now primarily the human frame: "Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit." That was the new religion. Therefore, for the New Testament Church Age, it is the law of love toward all — friends and foes. Jesus provided a simply stated ethic. He refused to garble it with amendments. But, one may ask: "What about these atrocious crimes and the death penalty?" The biblical answer is still the same: love your friends and foes in Jesus. What kind of Christian love then can be shown to a multiple-murderer / rapist / arsonist / child molester? What kind of Christian love can be meted out to a Hitler? It is a Christian tough love. Tough love keeps the exceptional criminal alive but consigns that one to supervised environs without parole. Hopefully, even that exceptional criminal then may come upon redemption through Christ, yet never be placed in tempting circumstances whereby he again may do others and Himself harm. Keeping the individual alive also allows the possibility that, realizing human justice systems to be flawed, that person in truth may be found innocent though originally pronounced guilty. Indeed, the future may prove this to be fact if new evidence is forthcoming. History has case files on those in the aforementioned category. Reason this moral / ethical situation from God's perspective: Adam and Eve slew God's love when they played loose with Eden's snake. However, God did not slay them. Instead, God banished them to their own solitary isles of remorse, hoping at least for their eternal redemption. You once slew God's love by going your own stubborn way. In reality, you pronounced yourself Lord of your life. It is a hurtful truth to you now that you are a believer; nevertheless, living once in sin and for sin, you were once that callused toward your own loving Creator. However, did God obliterate you? No, instead God searched you out, loved you even while you were enemy, in hopes of redeeming what was left of your destiny. He now invites each Christian to live out that same kind of persevering, at-times-tough love toward all others — especially those who are Enemy. God has already walked for us the path of love-for-foes. We, of all creatures, should know this for sure. Praise be to a loving, merciful God! He then invites us to join Him on that love path. He has walked it for us. He asks us now to walk it for others. FOOTNOTE: JUDGMENT DAY Hebrews 9:27: It is appointed unto men once to die, but after that the judgment. Matthew 7:21-23: the words of Christ: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 12:36-37: the words of Christ: But I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Romans 2:6-11: God who will render to every man according to his deed: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immorality, eternal life; But unto them that are contentious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honor and peace to every man that worked good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God. Romans 14:10-12: For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. I Corinthians 4:5: Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsel of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. II Corinthians 5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Numbers 32:23: Be sure your sin will find you out. http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/swank/100221 |
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MorningSong
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Mon 03/05/12 09:01 AM
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The actual words that certain scribes had penned
(in that one scripture Peter_Pan keeps referring to) was NOT put IN the bible at all.... that one bible scripture mentioned, was just telling OF what the scribes had done... God did not put lies in the bible.... God's Word cannot contain a lie and still be called the Word of God. God and a lie do not mix....just as God and sin do not mix.... God is a Holy God... |
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Yes Funches...
 many will MISINTERPRET AND MISTRANSLATE God's Word and preach a FALSE GOSPEL.....and the only way to be able to detect this and not be deceived by it , is to be Indwelt by the Holy Spirit( Who indwells all believers when they become born again) , Who will also let believers KNOW All Truth.... by teaching, leading and guiding them into All Truth ... "Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice and the voice of a stranger they will not follow."
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Topic:
Being Alone Is Painful
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reach out to another lonely person...
get involved in outreach.....helping in your neighborhood for instance... or giving hugs to the elderly person on the corner.... and of course.... mingling here in the forums
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Only God can help you see.
I will pray and will say no more. Take care now.  |
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Mon 03/05/12 06:56 AM
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I am just weeping at how blinded you are.
Nothing more foolish than some foolish person out on a MISSION to TEACH born again belieivers that the bible contains ERRORS .... how the enemy deceives..... please don;t post anymore..it is just too sad to look at...
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Actually..EVEN a child can understand....
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Mon 03/05/12 05:23 AM
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So... by your mishandling God's Word falsely right now, you actually believe CHANGES The Word of God? Cause you mishandled God's Word falsely?? Same difference with what the scribes did..... See how silly this is , Peter??? Honestly Peter...what is it here that is so hard to comprehend.... it is like you have blinders on.... There you go again... You're gonna have to come up with a better refutation than "silly"... Now I'd like to see you prove I've handled "God's Word" falsely. I'm not saying it changes "God's Word", that's your interpretation of what I've said about the Bible, which you attribute to being "infallible", not me. I am simply exposing the chaff that'll be burned off. God's Word will stand forever, minus all of mankind's man-made BS. You and I both know where God's law will be preserved and it sure as Hades will NOT be on paper... Peter_Pan....God's Word does not contain chaff. But That is something ONLY God can show you. And that is why the ONLY way Truth can be understood, is by one first being born again and Indwelt by the Holy Spirit. NO OTHER WAY. And that is why ONLY GOD THRU The INDWELLING of the Holy Spirit Is THE ONLY ONE WHO IS ABLE to lead and Guide into ALL TRUTH...not man. The Holy Spirit lets believers KNOW God's Word is Truth. BELIEVERS KNOW NOW. BECAUSE The Holy Spirit ILLUMINATES God's Word to a Believer now..and SHOWS AND LEADS ALL BELIEVERS INTO ALL TRUTH NOW. Plus......scriptures all thruout the bible ALREADY CLEARLY SHOW how God's Word is Infallible...and Gods Word cannot contradict itself...... yet.......the enemy blinds people's eyes to This Truth. Peter_Pan...I am sharing this link below with you. Be Blessed....I leave the rest up to God now..... http://www.gospelway.com/bible/bible_inspiration.php |
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Mon 03/05/12 04:08 AM
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So... by your mishandling God's Word falsely right now,
you actually believe CHANGES The Word of God? Cause you mishandled God's Word falsely?? Same difference with what the scribes did..... See how silly this is , Peter??? Honestly Peter...what is it here that is so hard to comprehend.... it is like you have blinders on.... |
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Mon 03/05/12 03:48 AM
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.............Rightly Interpreting the Bible..............
Methodology The word "method" comes from the Greek word methodos, which literally means "a way or path of transit." Methodology in Bible study is therefore concerned with "the proper path to be taken in order to arrive at Scriptural truth." This clearly implies that improper paths can be taken. Of course, proper methodology is essential to many fields of endeavor. A heart surgeon does not perform open heart surgery without following proper, objective methodology. (Would you trust a heart surgeon to operate on you who told you that he intended to discard objective methodology, instead opting for a subjective approach - cutting you where he feels like cutting you?) Improper methodology in interpreting Scripture is nothing new. Even in New Testament times, the apostle PETER WARNED that there are teachings in the inspired writings of Paul "which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest [DISTORT], as they DO ALSO the OTHER SCRIPTURES, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION" (2 Peter 3:16, insert added). This verse tells us that MISHANDLING the Word of God can be VERY DANGEROUS. Indeed, mishandling the Word of God is a "PATH" TO DESTRUCTION. Contrary to the practices of some false teachers in Corinth, the apostle Paul assured his readers that he faithfully handled the Word of God (2 Corinthians 4:2). Paul admonished young Timothy to follow his example: "STUDY to SHOW THYSELF APPROVED UNTO GOD, a WORKMAN THAT NEEDETH NOT TO BE ASHAMED, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH" (2 Timothy 2:15, italics added). A Foundational Truth: God Created Language for a Purpose A plain reading of Genesis indicates that when God created Adam in His own rational image, He gave Adam the gift of intelligible speech, thus enabling him to communicate objectively with his creator (and with other human beings) via sharable linguistic symbols called words (Genesis 1:26). God sovereignly chose to use human language as a medium of revelational communication. If the primary purpose of God's originating of language was to make it possible for Him to communicate with human beings, as well as to enable human beings to communicate with each another, then it must follow that He would generally use language and expect man to use it in its literal, normal, and plain sense. This view of language is a prerequisite to understanding not only God's spoken word but His written Word (Scripture) as well. The Bible exists because human beings need to know certain spiritual truths to which they cannot attain by themselves. Thus these truths must come to them from special revelation from God (Deuteronomy 29:29). And this revelation can only be understood if one interprets the words of Scripture according to God's original design for language - that is, according to the ordinary, plain, literal sense of each word. Seeking the Author's Intended Meaning Instead of superimposing a meaning on the biblical text, the objective interpreter seeks to discover the author's intended meaning (the only true meaning). One must recognize that what a passage means is fixed by the author and is not subject to alteration by readers. Meaning is determined by the author; it is discovered by readers. Our goal must be exegesis (drawing the meaning out of the text) and not eisogesis (superimposing a meaning onto the text). By using eisogesis instead of exegesis, a Marxist interpreter could, for example, so skew the meaning of the U.S. Constitution that it came out reading like a socialistic document. Cultists have done the same type of thing with Holy Scripture. They so skew the meaning of the biblical text that it comes out saying something entirely different than what was intended by the author. Only by objective methodology can we bridge the gap between our minds and the minds of the biblical writers. Indeed, our method of interpreting Scripture is valid or invalid to the extent that it really unfolds the meaning a statement had for the author and the first hearers or readers. The Importance of Context A woman entered the Democratic primary for governor of the state of Texas. She was convinced that the Bible had told her she would win the nomination. When she received the official list of names from the primary she saw her name printed last. Then she read in her Bible, "Many that are first will be last, and the last first" (Matthew 19:30). On the basis of that verse she thought God was telling her she would win. But she lost. This amusing story illustrates the need for interpreting Scripture in its proper context. Taken out of context, the Scriptures can be twisted to say just about anything !!! Seeking the biblical author's intended meaning necessitates interpreting Bible verses in context. Every word in the Bible is part of a verse, and every verse is part of a paragraph, and every paragraph is part of a book, and every book is part of the whole of Scripture. No verse of Scripture can be divorced from the verses around it. Interpreting a verse apart from its context is like trying to analyze a Rembrandt painting by looking at only a single square inch of the painting, or like trying to analyze Handel's "Messiah" by listening to a few short notes. The context is absolutely critical to properly interpreting Bible verses. In interpreting Scripture, there is both an immediate context and a broader context. The immediate context of a verse is the paragraph (or paragraphs) of the biblical book in question. The immediate context should always be consulted in interpreting Bible verses. The broader context is the whole of Scripture. The entire Holy Scripture is the context and guide for understanding the particular passages of Scripture. We must keep in mind that the interpretation of a specific passage must not contradict the total teaching of Scripture on a point. Individual verses do not exist as isolated fragments, but as parts of a whole. The exposition of these verses, therefore, must involve exhibiting them in right relation both to the whole and to each other. Scripture interprets Scripture. As J. I. Packer puts it, "if we would understand the parts, our wisest course is to get to know the whole." The Importance of Historical Considerations Historical considerations are especially important in properly interpreting the Word of God. The Christian faith is based on historical fact. Indeed, Christianity rests on the foundation of the historical Jesus whose earthly life represents God's full and objective self-communication to humankind (John 1:18). Jesus was seen and heard by human beings as God's ultimate revelation (1 John 1:1-3). This is why He could forcefully claim, "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also" (John 14:7). The apostle Paul, when speaking with the religious men of Athens, affirmed that the reality of the future judgment of all humanity rests on the objective, historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus (Acts 17:16f.). This evidence is recorded for us in the New Testament Gospels, documents that are based on eyewitness testimony and written very close in time to the events on which they report. Based on how people respond to God's objective, historical revelation contained in Scripture, they will spend eternity in a real heaven or a real hell. Making a Correct Genre Judgment A "literal" approach to Scripture recognizes that the Bible contains a variety of literary genres, each of which has certain peculiar characteristics that must be recognized in order to interpret the text properly. Biblical genres include the historical (e.g., Acts), the dramatic epic (e.g., Job), poetry (e.g., Psalms), wise sayings (e.g., Proverbs), and apocalyptic writings (e.g., Revelation). Obviously, an incorrect genre judgment will lead one far astray in interpreting Scripture. A parable should not be treated as history, nor should poetry or apocalyptic literature (both of which contain many symbols) be treated as straightforward narrative. The wise interpreter allows his knowledge of genres to control how he approaches each individual biblical text. In this way, he can accurately determine what the biblical author was intending to communicate to the reader. Now, even though the Bible contains a variety of literary genres and many figures of speech, the biblical authors most often employed literal statements to convey their ideas. Where they use a literal means to express their ideas, the Bible expositor must employ a corresponding means to explain these ideas - namely, a literal approach. A literal method of interpreting Scripture gives to each word in the text the same basic meaning it would have in normal, ordinary, customary usage - whether employed in writing, speaking, or thinking. Without such a method, communication between God and man is impossible. Interpret the Old Testament in Light of the New Testament God gave revelation to humankind progressively throughout Old and New Testament times. He didn't just give His entire revelation for all time to our first parents, Adam and Eve, or to Moses, the Lawgiver. Rather, as time went on - as the centuries slowly passed - God provided more and more revelation that became progressively full so that by the time the New Testament was complete, God had told us everything He wanted us to know. In view of this, a key interpretive principle is that one should always interpret the Old Testament in view of the greater light of the New Testament. The Old Testament may be likened to a chamber richly furnished but dimly lighted. The introduction of light brings into it nothing which was not in it before; but it brings out into clearer view much of what is in it but was only dimly or even not at all perceived before. The Old Testament revelation of God is not corrected by the fuller revelation which follows it, but only perfected, extended, and enlarged. Again, then, the Old Testament should be interpreted according to the greater light of the New Testament. The Old Testament is much clearer when approached through the lens of the New Testament. Dependence on the Holy Spirit Scripture tells us that we are to rely on the Holy Spirit's illumination to gain insights into the meaning and application of Scripture (John 16:12-15; 1 Corinthians 2:9-11). It is the Holy Spirit's work to throw light upon the Word of God so that the believer can assent to the meaning intended and act on it. The Holy Spirit, as the "Spirit of truth" (John 16:13), guides us so that "we may understand what God has freely given us" (1 Corinthians 2:12). This is quite logical: full comprehension of the Word of God is impossible without prayerful dependence on the Spirit of God, for He who inspired the Word (2 Peter 1:21) is also its supreme interpreter. Illumination is necessary because man's mind has been darkened through sin (Romans 1:21), preventing him from properly understanding God's Word. Human beings CANNOT understand God's Word APART from GOD'S DIVINE ENABLEMENT (Ephesians 4:18). This aspect of the Holy Spirit's ministry operates within the sphere of man's rational capacity, which God Himself gave man (cf. Genesis 2-3). Illumination comes to the 'minds' of God's people - not to some nonrational faculty like our 'emotions' or our 'feelings' [like a 'burning in the bosom']. To know God's revelation means to use our minds. This makes knowledge something we can share with others, something we can talk about. God's Word is in words with ordinary rational content. The ministry of the Holy Spirit in interpretation does not mean interpreters can ignore common sense and logic. Since the Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of truth" (John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13), He does not teach concepts that fail to meet the tests of truth. In other words, "the Holy Spirit does not guide into interpretations that contradict each other or fail to have logical, internal consistency." It must also be kept in mind that the function of the Holy Spirit is not to communicate to the minds of people any doctrine or meaning of Scripture that is not contained already in Scripture itself. The Holy Spirit makes men "wise up to what is written, not beyond it." Indeed, "the function of the Spirit is not to communicate new truth or to instruct in matters unknown, but to illuminate what is revealed in Scripture." The Example of Jesus Christ Jesus consistently interpreted the Old Testament quite literally, including the Creation account of Adam and Eve (Matthew 13:35; 25:34; Mark 10:6), Noah's Ark and the flood (Matthew 24:38-39; Luke 17:26-27), Jonah and the great fish (Matthew 12:39-41), Sodom and Gomorrah (Matthew 10:15), and the account of Lot and his wife (Luke 17:28-29). In his book The Savior and the Scriptures, theologian Robert P. Lightner notes - following an exhaustive study - that Jesus' interpretation of Scripture "was always in accord with the grammatical and historical meaning. He understood and appreciated the meaning intended by the writers according to the laws of grammar and rhetoric." Jesus affirmed the Bible's divine inspiration (Matthew 22:43), its indestructibility (Matthew 5:17-18), its infallibility (John 10:35), its final authority (Matthew 4:4,7,10), its historicity (Matthew 12:40; 24:37), its factual inerrancy (Matthew 22:29-32), and its spiritual clarity (Luke 24:25). Moreover, He emphasized the importance of each word of Scripture (Luke 16:17). Indeed, He sometimes based His argumentation on a single expression of the biblical text (Matthew 22:32,43-45; John 10:34). Is the Bible Alone Sufficient? That the average person can understand Scripture without having to rely upon a church for the "authoritative teaching" is evident in the fact that Jesus taught openly and with clarity, and expected His followers to each understand His meaning. Recall that following His arrest, Jesus was questioned by the High Priest about His disciples and His teaching. Jesus responded: I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing. Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said (John 18:20-21, emphases added). According to Jesus, those who heard Him would be able to clearly enunciate what He had openly communicated. There were no confusing or obscure meanings in His words that required an "authoritative interpretation" by a church. In keeping with this, the apostle Paul instructed young Timothy: "From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus" (2 Timothy 3:15). This verse points to the complete sufficiency of Scripture in the life of a believer. Jewish boys formally began studying the Old Testament Scriptures when they were five years of age. Timothy had been taught the Scriptures by his mother and grandmother beginning at this age. Clearly, 2 Timothy 3:15 indicates that the Scriptures alone are sufficient to provide the necessary wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ. The Scriptures alone are the source of spiritual knowledge. Then, 2 Timothy 3:16-17 tells us that all Scripture is "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." This verse does not say that Scripture as seen through the lens of the Mormon church , for instance, is "profitable for doctrine, for reproof," and so forth. It is Scripture that does these things. And the reason Scripture can do these things is that all Scripture is inspired by God (vs. 16a). The word inspired means "God-breathed." Scripture is sufficient because it finds its source in God. It is noteworthy that the phrase thoroughly furnished ("that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished") means "complete, capable, fully furnished, proficient in the sense of being able to meet all demands." Scripture alone makes a person complete, capable, and proficient. Scripture furnishes all that one must know to be saved and to grow in grace. Correctly Handling the Word of Truth Jesus said His words lead to eternal life (John 6:63). But for us to receive eternal life through His words, they must be taken as He intended them to be taken. A cultic reinterpretation of Scripture that yields another Jesus and another gospel (2 Corinthians 11:3-4; Galatians 1:6-9) will yield only eternal death (Revelation 20:11-15). http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Interpretation.html |
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Mon 03/05/12 03:37 AM
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Last attempt at explaining:
IF you misread scriptures and misuse scriptures, that in no way changes God's Word ITSELF from being True. IF a false teacher misrepresents or misunderstands God's Word and calls God's Word error or not true, that still does NOT change God's Word ITSELF from being True. ONE LAST TIME....... THIS is what the lying pen of the scribes meant: The Jews of Jesus’ day TWISTED the law so much so that they considered themselves to be RIGHTEOUS, and yet they CONDEMNED Jesus as a law-breaker (especially in regard to the Sabbath ). THAT is what it means!!! It does NOT mean they CHANGED or PENNED the Mossaic law ITSELF!!!!! I am done with explaining this now . This is really silly ....having to even explain this. |
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They handled Moses Law falsely.....just as you are
handling God's Word falsely...but just because one handles God's Word falsely ,does NOT change God's Word !!! Come one Peter_Pan..... |
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Mon 03/05/12 03:03 AM
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The Word of God EXPOSES the lying pen of the
scribe !!!! But that scripture is NOT NOT NOT Saying that The Word of God ITSELF is WRITTEN OR PENNED BY the lying pen of the scribe !!! And Peter_Pan...this is just one OF many instances,where you keep MISUNDERSTANDING what God's Word is REALLY SAYING. Man is NOT the one who is the author of the Bible !!! Man just wrote down under Inspiration of God....but God is The AUTHOR !! NOT man !!! And God is a Big Enough God to PRESERVE and KEEP WATCH Over His Word, so that no lying pen of the scribe would sneak in and write God's Word instead !! IF there were even one lie in the bible, we might as well close the book and go home !! But Thank God, God's Word IS TRUE.....andn IS Infallible..... and IS The same...yesterday, today, and forever. We can BANK on God's Word to be TRUE..and God to be WHO He Says He Is. God and His Word Stand True Forever. God IS The Word. |
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MorningSong
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Mon 03/05/12 02:06 AM
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Wux.....studying early texts just helps when
doing a deeper study of the bible.. ..but it doesn't mean that translators haven't done an excellent job in translating the bible. Meticulous care is taken when translating the Word of God, so that nothing is lost or changed or taken away from the MEANING of God's Word. God's Word remains.....forever. This will better explain: Question: "How does the translation process impact the inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of the Bible?" Answer: This question deals with three very important issues: inspiration, preservation, and translation. The doctrine of the inspiration of the Bible teaches that scripture is “God-breathed”; that is, God personally superintended the writing process, guiding the human authors so that His complete message was recorded for us. The Bible is truly God’s Word. During the writing process, the personality and writing style of each author was allowed expression; however, God so directed the writers that the 66 books they produced were free of error and were exactly what God wanted us to have. See 2 Timothy 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:21. Of course, when we speak of “inspiration,” we are referring only to the process by which the original documents were composed. After that, the doctrine of the preservation of the Bible takes over. If God went to such great lengths to give us His Word, surely He would also take steps to preserve that Word unchanged. What we see in history is that God did exactly that. The Old Testament Hebrew scriptures were painstakingly copied by Jewish scribes. Groups such as the Sopherim, the Zugoth, the Tannaim, and the Masoretes had a deep reverence for the texts they were copying. Their reverence was coupled with strict rules governing their work: the type of parchment used, the size of the columns, the kind of ink, and the spacing of words were all prescribed. Writing anything from memory was expressly forbidden, and the lines, words, and even the individual letters were methodically counted as a means of double-checking accuracy. The result of all this was that the words written by Isaiah’s pen are still available today. The discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls clearly confirms the precision of the Hebrew text. The same is true for the New Testament Greek text. Thousands of Greek texts, some dating back to nearly A.D. 117, are available. The slight variations among the texts—not one of which affects an article of faith—are easily reconciled. Scholars have concluded that the New Testament we have at present is virtually unchanged from the original writings. Textual scholar Sir Frederic Kenyon said about the Bible, “It is practically certain that the true reading of every doubtful passage is preserved. . . . This can be said of no other ancient book in the world.” This brings us to the translation of the Bible. Translation is an interpretative process, to some extent. When translating from one language to another, choices must be made. Should it be the more exact word, even if the meaning of that word is unclear to the modern reader? Or should it be a corresponding thought, at the expense of a more literal reading? As an example, in Colossians 3:12, Paul says we are to put on “bowels of mercies” (KJV). The Greek word for “bowels,” which is literally “intestines,” comes from a root word meaning “spleen.” The KJV translators chose a literal translation of the word. The translators of the NASB chose “heart of compassion”—the “heart” being what today’s reader thinks of as the seat of emotions. The Amplified Bible has it as “tenderhearted pity and mercy.” The NIV simply puts “compassion.” So, the KJV is the most literal in the above example, but the other translations certainly do justice to the verse. The core meaning of the command is to have compassionate feelings. Most translations of the Bible are done by committee. This helps to guarantee that no individual prejudice or theology will affect the decisions of word choice, etc. Of course, the committee itself may have a particular agenda or bias (such as those producing the current “gender-neutral” mistranslations). But there is still plenty of good scholarship being done, and many good translations are available. Having a good, honest translation of the Bible is important. A good translating team will have done its homework and will let the Bible speak for itself. As a general rule, the more literal translations, such as the KJV, NKJV, ASB and NASB, have less “interpretative” work. The “freer” translations, such as the NIV, NLT, and CEV, by necessity do more “interpretation” of the text, but are generally more readable. Then there are the paraphrases, such as The Message and The Living Bible, which are not really translations at all but one person’s retelling of the Bible. So, with all that in view, are translations of the Bible inspired and inerrant? The answer is no, they are not. God nowhere extends the promise of inspiration to translations of His Word. While many of the translations available today are superb in quality, they are not inspired by God, and are not perfect. Does this mean we cannot trust a translation? Again, the answer is no. Through careful study of Scripture, with the Holy Spirit's guidance, we can properly understand, interpret, and apply Scripture. Again, due to the faithful efforts of dedicated Christian translators (and of course the oversight of the Holy Spirit), the translations available today are superb and trustworthy. The fact that we cannot ascribe inerrancy to a translation should motivate us towards even closer study, and away from blind devotion towards any particular translation. gotquestions.org |
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MorningSong
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Sun 03/04/12 08:18 PM
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One can go thru all versions (legit ones) and do a comparative study. ( Although I like the NIV and KJV the best .) Funches..one can cross reference them all ,and gleem an even better understanding of God's Word that way. And it is good to study the original texts as well. |
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MorningSong
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Sun 03/04/12 07:08 PM
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Question: "Why is 'You shall not murder' in the Ten Commandments?"
Answer: Simply stated, the sixth of the Ten Commandments forbids the unjustified taking of a human life. However, the commandment itself has a couple of interesting elements that bear mentioning. First and foremost, different Bible translations give the appearance of different meanings, and there is potential for misunderstanding the actual meaning of the verse. Second, man was never created for the act of murdering another, and there needs to be an explanation for such a violent and final act towards another human being. Third, because of the translational challenge, we need to understand the difference between “murder” and “killing.” And last but not least, how does God view murder? To God, murder is NOT JUST PHYSICAL in nature but ALSO THE CONDITION OF ONE'S HEART TOWARDS ANOTHER !!! There are two different Hebrew words (ratsakh, mut) and two Greek words (phoneuo, apokteino) for “murder” and “killing.” One means “to put to death,” and the other means “to murder.” The latter one is the one prohibited by the Ten Commandments, not the former. In fact, ratsakh has a broader definition than the English word “murder.” Ratsakh also covers deaths due to carelessness or neglect but is never used when describing killing during wartime. That is why most modern translations render the sixth commandment “You shall not murder” rather than “You shall not kill.” However, a very large issue can arise depending on which translation one studies. The ever-popular King James Version renders the verse as “Thou shalt not kill,” therefore opening the door to misinterpreting the verse altogether. If the intended meaning of “Thou shalt not kill” was just that—no killing—it would render all of the God-endorsed bloodletting done by the nation of Israel a violation of God’s own commandment (Deuteronomy 20). But God does NOT break His own commandments, so, clearly, the verse does not call for a complete moratorium on the taking of another human life. Why does man murder? We know that we were created in God’s image (Genesis 1:27) and we were made to live in harmony with God and with our fellow man. This harmony became impossible once sin entered into the picture (Genesis 3). With sin came the propensity for acting violently against one another. Anger, jealousy, pride and hatred can fuel man’s evil bent towards life-ending aggression. The first recorded act of murder was when Cain killed his brother Abel (Genesis 4:8). From that moment on, taking the life of another has been commonplace and, in some circles of society, acceptable. However, to God every life is important, and since God knew that man was sinful and evil and had become “lawless,” He enacted guidelines that would seek to modify man’s behavior (1 John 3:4). So, is there a difference between murder and killing? First, it is important to note that not all killing is wrong. For instance, the apostle Paul talks about the right of the state to take the lives of evildoers (Romans 13:1-7). This relates to what is commonly referred to as capital punishment. Most countries have consequences for murder. In some cases this requires the life of the perpetrator and a suitable means of putting one to death is chosen and administered (Matthew 5:21; Exodus 21:14). Another instance of acceptable “killing” is that which is done during times of war and at the command of superiors. There were quite a few instances in Scripture where God endorsed and allowed the taking of other lives (1 Samuel 11; Judges 6–7). And finally, although far from acceptable, manslaughter is yet another form of killing someone. This unintentional act apparently happened so often in biblical times that cities of refuge were designated for the manslayer to seek refuge in (Exodus 21:13; Joshua 20). Again, it was never God’s intent to have to use such a drastic measure as taking one’s life to rectify a situation. So, God does make exceptions for the taking of another’s life as long as it lines up with His will. However, premeditated murder of an individual is never God’s will. What is murder in God’s eyes? From the human perspective, murder is the physical act of taking another’s life. However, we also must consider that God defines murder as any thought or feeling of deep- seated hatred or malice against another person. In other words, it is more than just a physical act that constitutes murder to God, who tells us that “everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him” (1 John 3:15 ESV). When we harbor hatred in our hearts for another, we have committed the sin of murder in God’s eyes. The disdain towards another person never has to be demonstrated outwardly because God looks upon the heart for the truth (1 Samuel 16:7; Matthew 15:19). As Christians and as human beings, we know that unjustified killing is wrong. God’s Word is very clear on this point: “You shall not murder.” And what God says we must obey, or we face the consequences on judgment day. gotquestions.org
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Near Henryville, IN..
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I am praying here right along with you Terry......
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Poverty
Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 03/04/12 02:23 AM
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Dodo-David..God Bless You for caring !!!
I do know that christians care...many many many churches help the poor...food banks, clothing, aide to the needy , etc.... David..a true christian can't HELP but care....because of the One living IN the christian's heart. But there are many kind caring folks besides christians ,who also have a heart for the poverty stricken. |
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