It is not a choice anymore then heterosexuality is

I'm not advocating anything communistic like Red China. Wages can be raised for the poor and middle class for a fairer distribution of wealth so that they can pay their bills and maybe even be able to afford health insurance.

I apologized for assuming you were a man, but your handle IndianaJones sounds male.

your attempt to make me look foolish

Does anyone else think that there will eventually be a different set of laws pertaining to the internet? Perhaps an INTERPOL thing? Just curious. I think this thread can explore an issue that will surely come up but is not in the news that much yet.

still waiting for that lightening bolt to strike me down....wait....nope.....still here...sorry.


for starters i never directed that comment at you. I directed it at anyone that wants to damage our pride for this country. Place it where it applies. Or are you trying to make fun of my belief in god? Anyhow i am a former paratrooper and veteran. I have been born and raised in the USA. I say god bless America. And our flag SHOULD be flown above any other as our traditions say. Those that want to kill this country's sovereignty needs to grow the nuts to fight for it.

Of course posting an article that points out how law enforcement hands are tied with it comes to pedophiles and then using that as a justification for violating the privacy of individuals is manipulative and cheap reporting. It gives the one who posted this thread the arrogant air of being able to point his finger and claim that all those who are against wire-tapping must be in favor of pedophiles.
Low-brow, FOX news, tactics.....

if they have the ip and the name

and go into said room and discuss

whatever with whomever is in said room

no warrant is needed in the united states

as the officer is party of the discussion

i'm sorry but i do not want to give up any liberties

for a false sense of security

and the case you site is not even on united states soil

Dragoness do you want to try an expiriment in equality? Go to Mexico and fly the American Flag above the Mexican flag then video tape what happens. I will chip in a few bucks for your ticket

Israel is ALWAYS involved.

The gold was there, but it has been removed. The currency that was used in Iraq before we invaded, was backed by gold. Now, it is just paper credit money. The gold was taken out.

i'll say it again, it is not at all hard to get a warrant. the judge was only upholding the law and precidents. for that, you start with your character assasination bit. is everyone who doesn't agree with you liberal scum?

also understand what this means, and, again, I agree with toastedoranges. It's not like the judge is making it impossible for them to catch these pigs, he just wants them to follow the rules, which seem pretty straightforward and easy.

dude..

rules are rules and it's not at all hard to get a warrant

Kid porn cops need warrant
Newmarket judge tosses out chat room evidence against man
By SAM PAZZANO, COURTS BUREAU
The Toronto Sun




Police must get a warrant to secretly record conversations on private Internet chat rooms, even if they are chatting with suspected kiddie-porn peddlers, a Newmarket judge has ruled.

In what may be a precedent-setting judgment -- and one that could hamper police in the fight against child pornography -- Justice William Gorewich threw out evidence against a Markham man because it was illegally obtained.

With the evidence ruled out, the Newmarket Crown withdrew charges in January. The decision is being appealed.

The judge stated the accused's Charter rights were violated by Toronto Police Det. Paul Krawcyzk, who recorded the conversation without a warrant.

His boss, Det. Sgt. Kim Scanlan of the Child Exploitation Section of Sex Crimes Unit in Toronto, said the "disappointing" decision will have a "direct impact on our ability to keep kids safe.

'DEAD END'

"We've gone to Internet service providers with the IP address and the providers give us an address and name, similar to a MTO search for a driver's licence or a 411 phone inquiry," Scanlan said. "It's important we have access to that information. Otherwise it's a dead end for investigators."

Defence lawyer Richard Posner, who successfully argued his client's rights were violated, said the law is "Big Brother for the state at its whim and discretion to seize private business information and it's completely unnecessary."

On June 24, 2006, Krawczyk was working undercover and posing as a trader on an Internet Rely Chat, where he knew the exchange of child porn images and movies occurred.

He found a man known as "Step Tosh" and engaged him in a private conversation which was recorded.

Based on this information, York Regional Police executed a search of the man's home on Stonebridge Dr. and found 14 graphic images of child pornography.

"The fact this officer had conducted such investigations in the same manner hundreds or thousands of times before doesn't justify his actions," Gorewich wrote.

"I find the evidence that the officer stated the need for the information to be acquired quickly to save children from the abuse of child pornography is somewhat far-fetched, given the widespread nature of this illegal activity.

CHAT ROOM

"There was nothing to prevent this officer from obtaining a warrant (for) the private chat room ... "

The judge ruled that people on private chat rooms have the same expectation of privacy as people in private phone calls and police routinely get warrants.

"It's a straightforward and simple procedure to get a warrant and the officers know it's like fishing in a barrel, going after people transacting child porn," Posner said yesterday.

I will disregard the immature response that is of the type used by a school child and will anxiously wait for you to respond with a mature answer more representative of your age. I have laid out several questions for you and have yet to receive a response above the level of "NO! It's my toy! Give it back or you can't play in my sandbox! If you simply choose not to answer then that is fine with me. It's better than a neener neener side step and no, I won't think your penis has shriveled up and you are less of a man than you think you are as a result.

I do not understand your thinking devilsmom, there are many figures for th Iraq war, it was originaly supposed to cost around 200 billion. I would imagine the longer it drags out the more it will cost and all totaly costs will increase. many agree that 3 trillion is an accurate figure. even if it is only 2 trillion....ye gods it boggles the mind........how much better could that money have been spend. How did the money improve anyones life in america, unless your a CEO for halliburton.

it's Called Progressive thinking, Apparently it's Wonderful