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Topic: What else could we do with $3 trillion?
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Thu 03/06/08 03:15 PM
A certain reverence is required just to approach the book's title: "The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict" by noted economists Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes. I can see why they understated it.

The pulse of outrage beats behind the cold calculations in this concise volume, newly published by Norton. We're not just "losing" this tragic, arrogantly unplanned war in the conventional sense of failing to subdue our enemies -- we're committing slow socioeconomic suicide with its open-ended pursuit, losing, as we plunge recklessly into debt over it, our options, our ability to choose. We're losing the future.

"Because of the war, the national deficit is $2 trillion higher," Stiglitz, who won the Nobel Prize in economics in 2001, told me. "At 5 percent interest, that's $100 billion a year, year after year after year -- forever!"

Such numbers are beyond the scope of the human imagination. To begin putting the war into financial perspective, Stiglitz suggested that we need a new unit of account: "Think of what things would cost in terms of hours, days, weeks of fighting."

For instance, he said, "Three years ago we had a financial crisis with the Social Security system. For one-sixth of an Iraq war, you could have fixed Social Security for the next 50 to 75 years."

Or how about health insurance for children? Remember when President Bush vetoed a bill to expand it? "We're talking about days of fighting in Iraq," Stiglitz said.

Or, hmm, what about the fact that suddenly one of every 150 children is being diagnosed with autism? The cost of serious research on this issue? "Four hours of an Iraq war!"

(Note: The American Friends Service Committee has a Web page devoted to the Iraq war as a unit of account, at afsc.org/cost/banners.htm.)

Before we begin a serious waltz with the current war numbers that Stiglitz and Bilmes force us to confront in their book, let's ponder some far easier stats. Remember Gulf War I? We drove Saddam out of Kuwait, racking up huge kills in the process and sustaining a mere 148 of our own dead and another 467 injured. Combat operations lasted a month. What's more, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait paid for most of it -- it was practically a free war.

Except, as Stiglitz and Bilmes point out, in the aftermath of this quickie, yellow-ribbon-festooned war, vets started getting sick -- started dying -- of mysterious maladies that came to be called Gulf War Syndrome. Some 17 years later, "the United States still spends over $4.3 billion each year paying compensation, pension and disability benefits to more than 200,000 veterans of the Gulf War," they write. "We have already spent over $50 billion in Gulf War I disability benefits."

Almost two decades later, our tax dollars are still disappearing down the gaping maw of this monthlong war. Now, consider that the current Iraq war is five years old this month and counting (John McCain is ready to go at it for another hundred), and we've been in Afghanistan so far for six and a half years. The secret and terrible costs of these wars are growing, growing, growing; and they are exponentially greater than the still enormously expensive, and forgotten, Gulf War I.

Just the cost of care for physically and emotionally injured vets for these two protracted wars -- in which our GIs are being forced to return for two, three and even more tours of duty -- will run, the authors estimate, to more than $700 billion. And, they note, the care the government refuses to pay for doesn't simply disappear as a cost. It falls on the families themselves. Someone pays it, so it's part of the total.

Stiglitz and Bilmes do more than ferret out the operational, medical and other war costs hidden in various parts of the national budget. When they also factor in reasonable estimates of the macroeconomic costs (including interest on our staggering debt, the war-triggered increases in the price of oil), they are forced to add another $2 trillion to the cost of the war.

When they press on with their analysis and begin calculating the global costs as well -- including such arcane and disconcerting calculations as the value of an Iraqi life figured, in terms of lost income generation, at 7 percent of an American life -- suddenly there's another $6 trillion. Add it up, if you dare, and you wind up in the neighborhood of $11 trillion. Helluva neighborhood.

But there's more to the book than numbers. The authors are clearly aware that to a certain extent they are calculating the incalculable: the value of our lost national credibility ("We have become toxic"); the value of human life; the value of shattered hopes. For instance, "The majority of Iraqi children are not attending school," they note at one point.

The authors move on, but this is where I'll stop. If we truly face up to what we've done, we'll never go to war again.
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http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13272

About author
Robert Koehler, an award-winning, Chicago-based journalist, is an editor at Tribune Media Services and nationally syndicated writer. You can respond to this column at bob@commonwonders.com


adj4u's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:20 PM
well ya could give everyone one social security a $500 a
month raise

and quit charging those on disability social security a deductible
for their medical

yeah thats a good idea i vote for that one

no photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:34 PM
another one of madman's golden finds...hot from the presses of the world renowned The Smirking Chimp...yawn

adj4u's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:35 PM
Edited by adj4u on Thu 03/06/08 03:36 PM
drinker drinker

you know what they say about

birds of a feather

or is it smiling primates

laugh laugh

toastedoranges's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:35 PM
why don't you contribute to the conversation? why even post if you're just going to say "YOU COPPIED AND PASTED!! HOW DARE YOU!!??!"

madisonman's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:41 PM

another one of madman's golden finds...hot from the presses of the world renowned The Smirking Chimp...yawn
so excactly what part did you find inaccuate?

madisonman's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:41 PM

another one of madman's golden finds...hot from the presses of the world renowned The Smirking Chimp...yawn
so excactly what part did you find inaccuate?

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Thu 03/06/08 03:45 PM

why don't you contribute to the conversation? why even post if you're just going to say "YOU COPPIED AND PASTED!! HOW DARE YOU!!??!"


you mean like you are huh....

ok..we all know number can be juggled to say just about whatever you want....this is from a left wing liberal group so of course the numbers are going to be twisted in the liberals favor..

you'll agree with me that during Clinton's term there was no war going on....so where is the 3 trillion dollars from his term?

madisonman's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:49 PM


why don't you contribute to the conversation? why even post if you're just going to say "YOU COPPIED AND PASTED!! HOW DARE YOU!!??!"


you mean like you are huh....

ok..we all know number can be juggled to say just about whatever you want....this is from a left wing liberal group so of course the numbers are going to be twisted in the liberals favor..

you'll agree with me that during Clinton's term there was no war going on....so where is the 3 trillion dollars from his term?
Iam not sure yanker are you trying to say this war is of minor economic impact to america? when clinton left office the defecit was shrinking so that is were the money went. I cannot belive you would even attempt to make an argument. The facts are this....Our countries future is in hock forever and if you love the country as you claim you should be outraged and if your not outraged your liveing in self delusion or not paying attention

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:50 PM
who cares?we would never see the 3 trillion even if it was sitting in a bank somewhereBelieve it or not peace costs a lot also because you need troops to keep it.ironic.

toastedoranges's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:52 PM

who cares?we would never see the 3 trillion even if it was sitting in a bank somewhereBelieve it or not peace costs a lot also because you need troops to keep it.ironic.


we're sure as hell not making friends by being over there. many islamic peoples hate us for being on their ground, for invading a sovergn nation, for acting as the world police.

peace costs, but it sure as hell doesn't cost as much as this war does

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Thu 03/06/08 03:53 PM



why don't you contribute to the conversation? why even post if you're just going to say "YOU COPPIED AND PASTED!! HOW DARE YOU!!??!"


you mean like you are huh....

ok..we all know number can be juggled to say just about whatever you want....this is from a left wing liberal group so of course the numbers are going to be twisted in the liberals favor..

you'll agree with me that during Clinton's term there was no war going on....so where is the 3 trillion dollars from his term?
Iam not sure yanker are you trying to say this war is of minor economic impact to america? when clinton left office the defecit was shrinking so that is were the money went. I cannot belive you would even attempt to make an argument. The facts are this....Our countries future is in hock forever and if you love the country as you claim you should be outraged and if your not outraged your liveing in self delusion or not paying attention



what facts are you talking about?...if you beleive those numbers to be facts you're farther gone than I thought....noway

madisonman's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:55 PM
with all those nuclear missles we have I cant imagine anyone actualy atacking america and starting armageden. That may be appealing to the right wing christian sect but the rest of the world doesnt think its such a good idea

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:55 PM


who cares?we would never see the 3 trillion even if it was sitting in a bank somewhereBelieve it or not peace costs a lot also because you need troops to keep it.ironic.


we're sure as hell not making friends by being over there. many islamic peoples hate us for being on their ground, for invading a sovergn nation, for acting as the world police.

peace costs, but it sure as hell doesn't cost as much as this war does

maybe not but i was taught that historically the US economy goes up during war time..why is this war different?For the record I am anti-war.

adj4u's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:56 PM
interesting

i answer the question

and not 1 response to it

hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:57 PM
i saw it robin but good luck with that laugh

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Thu 03/06/08 03:57 PM
Edited by northrn_yanke on Thu 03/06/08 03:58 PM

with all those nuclear missles we have I cant imagine anyone actualy atacking america and starting armageden. That may be appealing to the right wing christian sect but the rest of the world doesnt think its such a good idea


have you forgotten 9/11....and while we are on that subject what do your accountants say on the cost of 9/11?....

toastedoranges's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:58 PM
maybe not but i was taught that historically the US economy goes up during war time..why is this war different?For the record I am anti-war.


this war is different because of the way the economy was handled. our government knowingly encuranged spending and the building of debt. they thought in short term, not long term.

madisonman's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:58 PM




why don't you contribute to the conversation? why even post if you're just going to say "YOU COPPIED AND PASTED!! HOW DARE YOU!!??!"


you mean like you are huh....

ok..we all know number can be juggled to say just about whatever you want....this is from a left wing liberal group so of course the numbers are going to be twisted in the liberals favor..

you'll agree with me that during Clinton's term there was no war going on....so where is the 3 trillion dollars from his term?
Iam not sure yanker are you trying to say this war is of minor economic impact to america? when clinton left office the defecit was shrinking so that is were the money went. I cannot belive you would even attempt to make an argument. The facts are this....Our countries future is in hock forever and if you love the country as you claim you should be outraged and if your not outraged your liveing in self delusion or not paying attention



what facts are you talking about?...if you beleive those numbers to be facts you're farther gone than I thought....noway
those numbers are fine, they factor inthe inmterest on the money we borrowed to wage this war and the costs of aiding the crippled men and women who fought it, te yalso factor in the gas prices that have tripled as a cost of the war that all seems reasonable to me. what part do you find unreasonable?

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Thu 03/06/08 03:59 PM

maybe not but i was taught that historically the US economy goes up during war time..why is this war different?For the record I am anti-war.


this war is different because of the way the economy was handled. our government knowingly encuranged spending and the building of debt. they thought in short term, not long term.


and you know this to be a fact?...laugh

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