no no, i am the good guy here i got the white hat and all, i am here to save you from this twisted mustachoed freak

but alas.... i have arisen again and this time i brought my simple sidekick the dog to torch the kitty, and i bring alcohol to your minons to turn them against you....

oh no she is being converted to the darker side, i am getting weaker by the minute the more he draws to his side the worse it gets, i need my faithful sidekick wherever they may be....

That won't stop me trying to corrupt you to the Dark Side

So which is it? Are you with me or against me?

I repeat the above statement!

This thread is pretty dead

I believe (OBE)they are real and usually somewhat similar to others experiences around the world. I drowned for several minutes as a child and 5 family members witnessed my temporary death and can confirm that everything I saw and heard while dead was true and factual. But I've told my story before. Funches thinks I'm delusional. Oh well!



but my little Georgian peach cobbler ..I wasn't going to tell anyone that you were delusional

Thanks for giving us more evidence for OBE/RV. Keep the faith!

The notion of a 'God' allowing pain and suffering presupposes that 'God' has the ability to intervene and change the course of events that will come, but has willfully chosen to not intervene for some reason.

The metaphor of the barber adds additional "understanding" to this by allowing the fault to be assumed by the one who is suffering. It is expressed that as a result of their not choosing to go into 'God's' barber shop for help, 'God' has allowed this suffering to exist.

This has several implications which are troublesome to one such as myself.

It refutes the story of Job who did ask, believe, and maintained his hope throughout the unjust and continual suffering which was supposedly allowed by 'God'.

If we were to infer this concept of the barber with everyday life, then actuality would support it if it were true.

So then, is everyone who suffers the blame of their own suffering as a result of not asking 'God' for help?

That would be to say that all who suffer have not asked.

It would also be to say that all who ask do not suffer.

Furthermore, if this were true, then we could also infer that all who are not suffering have asked 'God' for help?

Actual reality says otherwise.

These extreme polarizations of pain and suffering vs. happily existing without represent the same measuring rod. Neither exist without the presence of the other.

ask them for a commitment!