I trust the scientists.

You are seriously kidding yourself if you believe this Eljay.

To begin with there is no single accepted interpretation of the Bible. Clearly the Jews and the Muslims veered off when Christianity was born with their versions which actually were so drastically different they earned their own names (i.e. the Torah and the Quran).

However, even if we ignore that, just looking at the Christian Sect we see Christianity fall into a myriad of conflicting and opposing views. The Catholics had the right idea to preserve a religion. Give one person supreme authority to interpret the scripture and everyone else must accept his interpretation. However, many people protested against this and thus Protestantism was born.

Protestantism has truly become the biggest joke on Earth. And I’m not saying that with intent to belittle it but simply because it is truly the epitome of hypocrisy. Protestantism was originally based on the “protest” or rejection of the idea that any mortal man should interpret the Holy Scriptures for other people”. No mortal man speaks for god!

That was the protest that created Protestantism in the first place.

But now look at what Protestantism has become today. Protestant fundamentalists are the most arrogant by far of all the Christians. They are the one’s who demand that only their interpretation is acceptable as the word of god!

They reverted back to precisely that the Protestants originally protested against! Instead of sticking with the idea that no mortal man can speak for God they simply reject the Pope as the ultimate interpreter of scripture and becomeself-appointed paper popes!

And that’s what makes fundamental Protestantism so dangerous, any random idiot can claim to be the Pope!

Here is a direct quote from a Fundamental Protestant Paper Pope that was posted on this very forum:



Clearly she is very passionate about this being the “Word of God” because she repeated the word “ever” three times, and then made her major point in ALL CAPS like it should be CARVED IN STONE as the WORD OF GOD!

Now you come along as yet another Paper Pope and you attempt to declare that you can’t blame Christianity for the Paper Popes who don’t agree with your interepretation of the scriptures, you seem to even be suggesting that there exist some actual correct interpretation, but thus far no one has been able to agree on what that is, including any two Christians!.

The bottom line is that no one agrees on what the Bible is saying, especially the Christians! It’s totally ambiguous, clearly self-contradictive and inconsistent, and it doesn’t even contain a single solitarily word that was actually written by the man who was supposed to be the mortal incarnation of God.

It entirely a book of hearsay that was clearly written at least a half a century after the man who was supposed to be the incarnation of God had died.

The idea that any ‘Protester’ of Catholicism should have a better interpretation of this book than the original Catholic Pope is truly ludicrous. Either the Pope had it correct, or there’s nothing to it!

That should be obvious to anyone. Either Catholicism is true, or Christianity is false. This crap of having radical self-appointed Paper Popes claiming to speak for Jesus is truly the epitome of insanity!

How do you deal with a Paper Pope who claims, “You can not ever ever ever BE A RIGHTEOUS MAN/WOMAN AND NOT BELIEVE IN GOD'S SON.......”

All they are saying to you is that you don’t convert to their interpretation of the scriptures they can never respect you as being a ‘righteous’ person (or ‘righteous nation’) whatever the case may be.

All they are saying to people is, “If you don’t interpret this ancient book they way I do I will forever view you as being an evil person who had no moral values at all , and you are also clearly rejecting our creator and siding as his enemy!

That’s basically what they are saying. How can you live side-by-side with people who have so vehemently voiced the fact that they have absolutely no respect for you!

To claim that someone is an unrighteous and ungodly person is to reject their voice and opinions as being ‘ungodly’.

It’s basically an ultimatum. They are basically saying, “Either convert to my religious beliefs or I will forever view your opinions and actions as being unrighteous, ungodly, and therefore unworthy of consideration!”

Is that Christianity Eljay?

Do you agree with this rejection of non-Christians as being unrighteous and ungodly?

If you do then you are basically saying that non-Christians are unworthy of respect.

After all, how could anyone respect someone whom they view as being unrighteous and willfully rejecting the creator of humanity?

That’s an extremely dangerous view. That’s precisely the kind of view that drove the Crusades, the mass murdering of the Cathers, the Torturing and Burning of innocent midwives, and even contributed to the anti-Semitic views that gave the Catholic Church and German Christians divine permission to go along with an ungodly holocaust.

This religion has to be exposed for the ungodly mythology that it truly is. It just makes no sense to continue to defend it in the face of the atrocities that it supports whether on a national scale, or even on a personal scale of having one person belittling another person for being ‘unrighteous’ in the eyes of “God” simply because they don’t view the “scriptures” through the egotistical lens of a Paper Pope.

All the religion does is create Paper Pope who become deluded into believing that their views are God’s views.

That’s what makes the religion so dangerous Eljay.

It’s just makes no sense to support a religion that denounces the righteousness of anyone based on how they might view our creator, or even perhaps because they are an atheist.

The religion just breeds prejudice and judgment the very things that Jesus himself denounced!

It’s an oxymoronic religion!

Jesus taught not to judge others, yet this is all that Christianity is ever used for! All the Christians do is continually tell people that if they don’t believe that Jesus was God they are unrighteous and rejecting God!

They are using Jesus as an EXCUSE to judge others.

It’s an oxymoronic religion!

It just makes no sense to claim that non-Christians are unrighteous. That just spits in the very face of Jesus!

This crap has got to stop.

And that includes denouncing evolution in the name of God, and same-gender love in the name of God, and rejecting non-Christians as heathens in the name of God.

All Christianity does is allow people to become bigots in the name of Jesus Christ.

That clearly was never the man’s intent, whether he was mortal or divine.

Christianity is the antithesis of Jesus whether he was divine or not.

The religion is a slap in the face to Jesus no matter who he was.

As a “Christian” I denounce the religion!

In fact, that’s precisely what I did! It’s ungodly and it spits in the face of what the Bible even claims that Jesus supposedly taught. People who use Jesus to denounce the righteousness of non-believers are committing blaspheme of the highest order.

True believers in Jesus need to start denouncing this formal religion that stole his name because it’s truly the antithesis of Jesus. It’s a train-wrecked religion. Let it die. Help it die! For Jesus’ sake!

Those organizations that follow the bible like to claim anything that they deem successful to mankind and even take credit for it. For example Galileo had mentioned that Earth is not the center of the Universe and that Earth instead revolves around the Sun. So this was heresy and he was thrown in jail for mentioning this. Perhaps even tortured by somekind of torture technic that the popes instilled in their chambers.

"Don't do that what you don't want done to you" is not a christian discovery like they claim they want it to be. I am sure you will find Eastern Religions that have discovered this truth way before any mediterrenean mythology even thought about it. Perhaps you should study Buddhism as one of the earlier Eastern Religions and you will see that many things of what Jesus taught comes from there. Unfortunately, those who wrote the bible twisted the actual teachings of Jesus who I think truly tried to show a different perspective of how one can coexist peacefully.

Here are more examples:

Walter Wallace tried to free his people from English control to create Scotland. When he was betrayed and thrown in prison to later be executed he had to confess to the popes at the time that he was wrong and should ask for forgiveness. He didn't do this and so they chose to torture him.

Another example:

Those who studied herbal medicine and talked to spirits in their own belief system where then burned on the stake as witches. By the way Christians are the ones that called them witches when indeed they were considered people of respect for they tried to help those who were sick.

Another example:

What was beyond the Black Forest where people that were given a name called "Barbarians" because they didn't practice the same faith system or lived the same style then those of Christian Faith. Remember Christian faith was more then just believing in a all mighty creator it was about how one lives a life also. Therefore those in Gaul who didn't follow Christianity where referred as "Barbarians" because they had a Pagan belief system instead.

The crusade appointed by a Pope who represents as the highest authority for the religion where people follow his advice as the "holy words from God". So here we have Europeans lusting to transform the Middle East into Christianity because many believe that is the right way to live and act in a society. How ironic that this is happening again and yet again it is a lost cause for the Muslim faith is just as demanding as the Christians are.

Another Example:

The Spaniards and Portugese who where strong Catholic belief systems sailed over to the Americas to plunder the riches from the continent and bring it back to their countries in the name of "God". Their sails, flags, and their faith was used to make it righteous to do the horrific atrocities that led to over 150 million Natives on that continent die from being whipped, forced, and killed to do slave labor jobs. Because "God whilst it!".

Then if this isn't enough we have another 50 million Native Americans in North America that had died from the atrocities of Dutch, French, English, and even Americans who justified the New World to belong to them. Now after they have thrown all the Indians into Reservations they made them learn and study Christianity. Yes MADE them because it was required to discipline and civilize their culture. Don't believe me then ask my 93 year old friend who holds a diary from his grandfather who told the story of how they were forced to learn Christianity because they were considered animals.

This is no different then the Missionaries going around the world teaching how to be obedient in the name of the "one God who demands it" or you will be sent to a hell.


The highest authorities of churches who are suppose to represent the bible and its teachings claim that their teachings is the only way to live a life and to go the right way to heaven. It is still happening today, but thankfully not so forcefully as it use to be as many scientists are now allowed to research as of other faiths can be practice or none at all!.

Just imagine what would happen to a person if one said he or she is a atheist in the 1600's.

So in the end as I do take a larger look at Christianity in general of what it teaches in the bible (many contradictions by the way) and also see the actions of those in charge of the religion, one can only say that its record is not that admirable at all.

One can only think how much peaceful and interesting this world would have been if Christianity would have died out a thousand years earlier.

In the end I am lucky to live a life where I can choose what to believe in and also express my thoughts about the subject for if I couldn't I surely would be burned on the stake just for saying that the bible is something one shouldn't follow to live a peaceful life.



I would rather prefer a study of belief systems that are truly more peaceful such as Buddhism or even Native American Spirituality. Their wisdom is much more peaceful and have not even commited such atrocities as the mediterrenean mythologies in its whole history.

Actually the crusades they were following the bible to the letter.
Religion of evolution like the religion of mathmatics, ok there Hovind.
Hovind is a true christian.

On July 11, 2006, Hovind was charged in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Florida in Pensacola with twelve counts of willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over Federal income taxes and FICA taxes under 26 U.S.C. § 7202, forty-five counts of knowingly structuring transactions in Federally-insured financial institutions to evade the reporting requirements of 31 U.S.C. § 5313, in violation of 31 U.S.C. § 5324, 18 U.S.C. § 2 and 31 C.F.R. sec. 103.11, and one count of corruptly endeavoring to obstruct and impede the administration of the internal revenue laws under 26 U.S.C. § 7212. Twelve of the charges were for failing to pay employee-related taxes, totaling $473,818, and 45 of the charges were for evading reporting requirements by making multiple cash withdrawals just under the $10,000 reporting requirement (a technique known as "smurfing"). The withdrawals, totaling $430,500, were made in 2001 and 2002. Jo Delia Hovind, his co-defendant wife, faced 44 charges.
Hovind was sentenced on January 19, 2007 to ten years in prison and ordered to pay the federal government restitution of over $600,000. After his prison term finishes, he will serve another three years of probation. A tearful Hovind had hoped to avoid prison, telling the court, "If it's just money the IRS wants, there are thousands of people out there who will help pay the money they want so I can go back out there and preach." But Hovind's court room behavior was in stark contrast to phone calls he made while in jail. One conversation with Eric Hovind, Kent Hovind's son, showed the two plotted to hide a motor vehicle title and property deeds to prevent the government from collecting the property to pay for owed debt.

Wikinews has related news: Kent Hovind's April 2007 appeal denied
In February 2007, Hovind claimed, among other things, that his convictions for structuring transactions (cash withdrawals from a bank) to evade currency reporting requirements should be thrown out. But on April 18, 2007, the court rejected the defendants' "unit of the crime" arguments, and the motions for acquittal were denied. he's right where he belongs.

Actually the crusades they were following the bible to the letter.
Religion of evolution like the religion of mathmatics, ok there Hovind.
Hovind is a true christian.

On July 11, 2006, Hovind was charged in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Florida in Pensacola with twelve counts of willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over Federal income taxes and FICA taxes under 26 U.S.C. § 7202, forty-five counts of knowingly structuring transactions in Federally-insured financial institutions to evade the reporting requirements of 31 U.S.C. § 5313, in violation of 31 U.S.C. § 5324, 18 U.S.C. § 2 and 31 C.F.R. sec. 103.11, and one count of corruptly endeavoring to obstruct and impede the administration of the internal revenue laws under 26 U.S.C. § 7212. Twelve of the charges were for failing to pay employee-related taxes, totaling $473,818, and 45 of the charges were for evading reporting requirements by making multiple cash withdrawals just under the $10,000 reporting requirement (a technique known as "smurfing"). The withdrawals, totaling $430,500, were made in 2001 and 2002. Jo Delia Hovind, his co-defendant wife, faced 44 charges.
Hovind was sentenced on January 19, 2007 to ten years in prison and ordered to pay the federal government restitution of over $600,000. After his prison term finishes, he will serve another three years of probation. A tearful Hovind had hoped to avoid prison, telling the court, "If it's just money the IRS wants, there are thousands of people out there who will help pay the money they want so I can go back out there and preach." But Hovind's court room behavior was in stark contrast to phone calls he made while in jail. One conversation with Eric Hovind, Kent Hovind's son, showed the two plotted to hide a motor vehicle title and property deeds to prevent the government from collecting the property to pay for owed debt.

Wikinews has related news: Kent Hovind's April 2007 appeal denied
In February 2007, Hovind claimed, among other things, that his convictions for structuring transactions (cash withdrawals from a bank) to evade currency reporting requirements should be thrown out. But on April 18, 2007, the court rejected the defendants' "unit of the crime" arguments, and the motions for acquittal were denied. he's right where he belongs.

Why is it, that when someone mentions the evils that were done so, in the name of religion, then you(or someone else) flies in here with the claim that you cannot judge a religion based on those that "abuse" the beliefs of that religion, to cause harm.
But, then you will make the completely incorrect statement that those killed in Stalin's Russia were killed in the name of Atheism.

So, why are historically accurate cases where Religion/religious beliefs was the main cause behind one's actions not allowed to speak for all religion, but killings where the main cause is Socio-Political, you are allowed to make a blanket statement condemning something that you don't agree with, and/or choose not to understand?

Also, when dealing with someone who truly believes that Evolution is the work of Satan, they will never be objective enough to actually learn the facts, and instead will cling to the fundamentalist "understanding" to continue to refute it.

Yes many have followed religion as the true path of rightenous on how we should act, be, and live. Many use religion as a excuse for their actions also. It is recorded in history many times and it is your choice to see it how it is. If you don't believe it to be true then you can bypass history as much as you want, yet you will have many who will always disagree with it.

If you don't follow anyone is also a good path. I have not followed anyone at all and lived under one rule all my life, which is "don't do that what you don't want done to you." This was and is primarily sufficient for me to live a productive life full of happiness and inner peace, yet I also enjoy those who have lived similiar paths and even truly helped those find a peaceful way of life in which I can proudly say they are great people to admire. There is nothing wrong with this.

One of them I can say now is a friend at the miccosokee tribes of indians here in florida who is a chief of 93 years old. I can say that he is a great example who has shown many how to deal with the atrocities their culture had suffered by your ancestory and how they deal with it today.

Why is it, that when someone mentions the evils that were done so, in the name of religion, then you(or someone else) flies in here with the claim that you cannot judge a religion based on those that "abuse" the beliefs of that religion, to cause harm.
But, then you will make the completely incorrect statement that those killed in Stalin's Russia were killed in the name of Atheism.

So, why are historically accurate cases where Religion/religious beliefs was the main cause behind one's actions not allowed to speak for all religion, but killings where the main cause is Socio-Political, you are allowed to make a blanket statement condemning something that you don't agree with, and/or choose not to understand?

I don't know what you are talking about when you say the 'dot.'
But I don't think evolution is trying to solve that problem. They are just looking at fossils and evidence and trying to learn something.

I don't think its a big deal to get upset about, and it does not destroy my faith in the slightest.

I still believe in myself.

Why is it, that when someone mentions the evils that were done so, in the name of religion, then you(or someone else) flies in here with the claim that you cannot judge a religion based on those that "abuse" the beliefs of that religion, to cause harm.
But, then you will make the completely incorrect statement that those killed in Stalin's Russia were killed in the name of Atheism.

So, why are historically accurate cases where Religion/religious beliefs was the main cause behind one's actions not allowed to speak for all religion, but killings where the main cause is Socio-Political, you are allowed to make a blanket statement condemning something that you don't agree with, and/or choose not to understand?

With the many atrocities in the name of God that has been reflected in the history of mankind, I cannot understand how anyone can follow such a idealogy in the first place regardless of what the religion or faith it comes from.

There are truly people who can live peaceful amongst each other who are non religious or spiritual that have better belief systems then the gods that many have worshipped.

Clearly a mediterrenean mythology as harmless as it may look is truly as dangerous as history has told it.

When people start screaming "Because God whilsts it" then it is already a lost cause as we know in history people have lost their lives just because they are from a different culture, belief system, or lifestyle that is not adapted to the religion that seeks to spread across the globe by any means necessary.

I admire those spiritual paths that do not seek by any means possible to influence their idealogies onto others, but instead practice for their own well being and inner happiness.

Those are the people we should admire and follow and only few have made in the books of history as we know it.