put that way, yes I had many errors. But the word many suggests a lot more than four

Thus you prove you are unwilling to be shown that you are wrong in your prior statements and beliefs, because you refuse to go back and verify what I told you existed.

asking questions is not rude. Changing words around, intentionally leaving out entire sections that already go against what you are trying to suggest, IS rude.

If you are referring to mine, I apologize, but I was half asleep and my keyboard needs to be replaced as half the letters on it stick unmercifully. An I counted four typos, when I went back and reread your quote.

And again, I suggest that maybe one of the courses you did noy take due to choosing to stop schooling was an English class, because it is very obvious and plain that either you are not reading my responses, or you are not understanding them. And I have taken great pains to make my last several responses very simple and concise (to the point), so that they ARE easily understood.

So I ask again, please go back and read EVERYTHING that I have written, not just what you want to try and use to show you are right and I am wrong.

I am sorry to disagree with you winx, but rude is rude no matter if you get personal about it or not. And imo, she was very rude by trying to rearrange what I said to mean something else.
And I at least will admit to being rude, when I get rude, and most times I will apologize too, as I don't usually intend to get rude. However, when responding in written format, you have the time to go over what you read and write, make sure it is exactly what you meant it to be, or understood it to be and respond appropriately. So if you are willing to be rude by changing someones written words to make them sound different, then you can expect me to chastise you for it if it's my words your changing around.

Maybe you didn't see some of my later responses? please go back through the last couple hours of responses and I think you wills ee some clarification.

It's no more rude than picking someones words apart, and rearranging them to mean something that they did not say.

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And as you said I have repeatedly stated I want people to be PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. If there is another way to be productive, then by all means suggest it, I am all ears. keep in mind however, that I have already rephrased myself a couple responses back, to state that my issue is with the non-productive who don't want to be productive, and yet receive free cash and food etc from the state. Farming is an excellent example of being productive, and as most people know, a farmer tends to grow up as a farmer, not decide that's what they want to do and move out to the country to do it.

and people actually wonder why I left the state of Michigan and have no intentions of ever moving back.

I suggest you quit picking bits and pieces, and read everythign I have posted.

Did I say that? No I did not. Thank you.

As I said, or tried to say since you obviously didn't catch it, is yes I agree that if you can provide for society in other ways, for example farming, then you would not have to choose the military. And I apologize for not stating that I consider all forms of training as college, even though yes I know it isn't college if you apprentice under someone.

But my main point of this whole thesis is, if you are an able-bodied adult, capable of providing in some way for your country, then when you are done with high school, you need to do so. Period. Now there are any number of ways to argue that someone is NOT able-bodied; for example, they have muscular-dystrophy to the point that they are very limited in what they can do. Or they are required at home to care for someone else who is incapable of caring for themselves.
My point however is that if you are not willing to do anything else to contribute to your society, in other words, not willing to get training (instead of saying college), not already working productively, then the military should be required. If you do not have the training to get a job where you are at, nobody will hire you where you are at because of your lack of training (or attitude or whatever), you are unwilling to move to locate employment, and you are asking for food stamps, and cash assistance (as an ongoing issue, not as a temporary consideration) then you need to be put into the army and given the training you need.
The type of person I am describing is the one who everyone is already complaining about, who wants everything to be given to them and gives nothing back in return.

in this day and age lulu, all jobs pretty much require an associates degree at the minimum along with so many years experience. Yes there are the oddball few that are still reasonable, but most employers nowadays will nt hire you for ANY job without at least an associates.

And as far as to who would be working those jobs, once the system got fixed, it would be the same people that are going to college now, or farming (as I said in another response, farmers would be one group I would agree already contribute to society). How do you think a person in college is going to survive, if they are not working? And considering they are are still for the most part probably unskilled labor, they are going to be doing the same jobs they do now (or would if employers would hire them)

I agree that would be a possible option as well, sending them to some type of job corps or whatever like you mentioned.

As fara s the military not letting you in without a ged, yes that is correct. For a couple years it was mandatory for you to have your actual diploma and not even a ged, which is one reason adults now have the choice of getting either a ged or an actual diploma. And I may be wrong, but the military may still require the actual diploma.

BUT, as far as the military wanting literate and self-thinking individuals, I couldn't laugh harder. Unless you are an officer, or a HIGH ranking enlisted (staff sergeant and above for the army) you are NOT expected to be literate or self-thinking. You actually get disciplined for it more often than not. The Army, at least, wants individual drones that do what they are told, when they are told, with no questions, and that needs to change, desperatly.

First off, you yourself said you finished three years of colleger befor droppiing out. when you graduate high school, you should have to make the very simple choice of continuing on with school through at least your associates degree.

Nobody is going to rack up 70k in student loans in just two years. I don't are how many hours you are taking, I don't care what school you are going to. Yes school is getting more and more expensive, but to the best of my knowledge, there is not a single associates program in this country that costs 35k per year.

Now, assuming "my system" were in place, would you be required to continue on towards your bachelors degree, or go into the military? Hell no. You chose, plain and simple, to continue on with education, and decided at some point that you could not afford to continue any longer. I am not saying you were wrong in any part of that decision. I would probably have stopped long before the loans reached 70k. My point however, is that you are trying to claim you would not have a choice, when in reality you did choose. And your choice, in "my system" would have kept you from enlisting in the military.



Like it or not people, the military is a neccesary evil in this world. I respect everyones right to believe what they want, and to live their life accordingly. However, to belong as a part of society, you need to help out in some way to society. Are there other options besides just school or service? yes, I for one, just don't happen to agree with those options as much as I do with school or military.

This day in age, if you do not continue on with school, 9 out of 10 chances you are going to be in the poverty level and needing assistance of some sort because there are way too few jobs out there. Also int his day and age, if a country does not have a military, one as big and rich in resources as we are, then you can darn well expect other countries to come in and try to control us. So military is a neccessity as well.

Peple need to quit shirking their responsibilities to the community and step forward as much as they can, whether it is by going to college, joining the service, providing something that society needs, like say a farmer. That is one exception I would immediately grant to going to the military or to college. A farmer provides very basic needs to the community at large, and if I am not wrong here, most farmers grew up as kids on a farm, as did most o their families, thus they do not "need" an associates degree or anything else, because they are already in a position to provide for the community.

and the homeless and jobless men and teenage boys (considered men in that era) were conscripted AGAINST THEIR WILL into the army of the time. Everyone was expected to do their part (those physically incapable or mentally incapable of course were the sole exception), whatever that part was. And if you did NOT do your part, you were left to your own devices and got no assistance whatsoever.

lol, too funny

Yes I did say if you CHOOSE to refuse to be a productive member of society you need to leave. Our forefathers required everyone to contribute to the society at the time in some productive manner. And if they chose not to do so, they were exhiled from the community. Now I am NOT referring to those who can not make certain decisions due to health or limitations. But imo, the choice should not be available, to be lazy, unproductive, and living off of welfare (in any form)

As far as to who decides that you are unproductive, it is very apparant who contributes to society in some way, and who doesnt. If you do not want to contribute, then you should not be standing in the welfare lines (and I am not naming anyone specifically here), or receiving social security etc. You should not receive housing assistance, or any other kinds of assistance, unless you are willing to benefit society in some manner.