Topic: Origin of Holidays
yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/23/08 05:25 PM
laugh so do I win a prize??? bigsmile

RainbowTrout's photo
Sun 03/23/08 05:29 PM
Hmmm. Yeah, heres ya a big lollipop.laugh

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/23/08 05:29 PM
laugh

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/23/08 05:30 PM
bet ya didn't think someone could come up with one huhlaugh

RainbowTrout's photo
Sun 03/23/08 05:33 PM
I really didn't. I have been to so many services where they mention the true meaning of Christmas or Easter. And if you do study religion one can come away with the idea that there are different meanings. I think it is important as my sponsor once told me to be friendly with your friends.:smile:

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/23/08 05:39 PM
I know a lot of holidays were hijack by us lol

I thought at 1st st pattys day may have started pagan until I really looked into it and saw I was wrong

I learned something new too

RainbowTrout's photo
Sun 03/23/08 05:42 PM
Nan noo Nan noo. I wonder if Mork from Ork was an Easter experiment that went wrong.laugh

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/23/08 05:47 PM
laugh

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/23/08 05:56 PM
now see there???? not all christians are up tight or judgemental laugh

I'm even ok with my son becoming jewish lol

we watched saturday night live with Hanukkah Harry taking santa's place one year and giving socks. I told my son that he'd get socks. he said mom..i always get socks laugh

I had forgotten that I put those socks with the skid stuff on the bottom in his stockings as stocking stuffers every year laugh

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 03/23/08 05:59 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Sun 03/23/08 05:59 PM
Something that I do not believe hardly anyone realizes is how worship is done. By insisting on doing tradition that has been handed down through generations which you do not find Our Messiah doing. (our example)Then we have added to the scriptures. They speak for themselves about all we do and the consequinces of it. The church of today preach a foriegn Evangel. Adding to the word and also taking away. The leaders are the ones who risk eternal life. The tree of life. And the followers come under a curse.Then if under a curse the very nature of the belief that we are not under the law. Judges the very ones who claim they are not. If that is what is spoken of in Rev.


Rev 22:18-20

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, Yahweh will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, Yahweh shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
NKJV

So if plagues come from adding to. The question is how or what is a curse? Is it the curse of the Law which so many quickly distance them from? Blessings..Miles

RainbowTrout's photo
Sun 03/23/08 06:14 PM
"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." -Proverbs 22:6-

It makes you wonder though. A child takes the input from many sources and the media of today is more than just books. And retension from so many sources but yet there does seem to be truth in it. It will still be there only the child's perception and not totally ours. But one can't help but to wonder.


RainbowTrout's photo
Sun 03/23/08 06:17 PM
I love socks. I don't think you can ever go wrong with socks. I think toenail clippers are important, too. I say that from my line of work. Some how it not easy to get pairs to come back from laundry. I think that is why it is important to have many socks the same color.laugh

Wolfshado's photo
Sun 03/23/08 07:56 PM

well rainbow...I think I did answer your question though.

I found a christian originated holiday (I was proud of myself lol)


another Christian holiday is Halloween... believe it or not...


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Sun 03/23/08 08:23 PM

I believe though he is saying if Yahshua did it and he abides in you then you should do it.That he did nothing new. And what is sad to me is people who say they are believers. Do not know how or what he walked at all. If they did then thier walk would not be following Pagan customs....Blessings...Miles


Christians aren't following pagan customs, just becaue they cellebrate Jesus's ressurection on the same day that easter or a pagan holiday is also celebrated .

Should some celbrating another holiday , keep christians from celebrating Chrsit's ressurection, simpy cause a pagan holiday ritual is observed on the same day ?

Like Yasa said, EVERYDAY is a celebration of Christ's ressurection ...not just Ressurection sunday.
So why should I allow a pagan holiday to STOP me from celebrating Jesus ressurection?

Actually, to allow a pagan hoday to keep a christian from worship and celebrating Christ Jesus's ressurrection, is actually putting oneself under bondage to the letter of the law again.

I've noticed some christians who are in bondage to the letter of the law, , and have no joy whatsoever.
In fact, They won't even celebrate christmas, cause it falls on another pagan holiday too.

POint is , who cares if some are worshiping easter or christmas, for other reasons? That should NOT stop a christian from JOYOUSLY CELEBRATIGN THE RESSURRRECTION OF JESUS..OR THE BIRTH OF OUR SAVIOUR....for the RIGHT REASONS!!!!
Amen?flowerforyou

A Chrsitian walk is a walk of FREEDOM ...not bondage to the letter of the law.

The bible says, the letter of the law killeth , but the Spirit freeth.

When a christian is born again, he celebrates joyously everyday, what Jesus has done for him.
EVERYDAY is a day of worship...not just one day.

RainbowTrout's photo
Sun 03/23/08 08:36 PM
Any day can be a holiday if you want it to be. I think that is what Lewis Carroll was trying to say in Alice in Wonderland when he wrote of one real birthday and 365 unbirthdays.

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/23/08 08:42 PM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Sun 03/23/08 08:43 PM


well rainbow...I think I did answer your question though.

I found a christian originated holiday (I was proud of myself lol)


another Christian holiday is Halloween... believe it or not...




actually halloween dates back to the celts

Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in).

Wolfshado's photo
Sun 03/23/08 08:47 PM



well rainbow...I think I did answer your question though.

I found a christian originated holiday (I was proud of myself lol)


another Christian holiday is Halloween... believe it or not...




actually halloween dates back to the celts

Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in).




LOL Actually, Halloween was created to Replace Samhain... they Moved all saints day from May to Oct

so technically, Halloween is All Hallows Eve, hence a christian holiday!!

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/23/08 08:50 PM




well rainbow...I think I did answer your question though.

I found a christian originated holiday (I was proud of myself lol)


another Christian holiday is Halloween... believe it or not...




actually halloween dates back to the celts

Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in).




LOL Actually, Halloween was created to Replace Samhain... they Moved all saints day from May to Oct

so technically, Halloween is All Hallows Eve, hence a christian holiday!!


to replace it...but it was taken from the celts. otherwise they would have just sarted a fresh new one

boredinaz06's photo
Sun 03/23/08 10:44 PM
Samhain marks one of the two great doorways of the Celtic year, for the Celts divided the year into two seasons: the light and the dark, at Beltane on May 1st and Samhain on November 1st. Some believe that Samhain was the more important festival, marking the beginning of a whole new cycle, just as the Celtic day began at night. For it was understood that in dark silence comes whisperings of new beginnings, the stirring of the seed below the ground. Whereas Beltane welcomes in the summer with joyous celebrations at dawn, the most magically potent time of this festival is November Eve, the night of October 31st, known today of course, as Halloween.

Samhain (Scots Gaelic: Samhuinn) literally means “summer's end.” In Scotland and Ireland, Halloween is known as Oíche Shamhna, while in Wales it is Nos Calan Gaeaf, the eve of the winter's calend, or first. With the rise of Christianity, Samhain was changed to Hallowmas, or All Saints' Day, to commemorate the souls of the blessed dead who had been canonized that year, so the night before became popularly known as Halloween, All Hallows Eve, or Hollantide. November 2nd became All Souls Day, when prayers were to be offered to the souls of all who the departed and those who were waiting in Purgatory for entry into Heaven. Throughout the centuries, pagan and Christian beliefs intertwine in a gallimaufry of celebrations from Oct 31st through November 5th, all of which appear both to challenge the ascendancy of the dark and to revel in its mystery.

In the country year, Samhain marked the first day of winter, when the herders led the cattle and sheep down from their summer hillside pastures to the shelter of stable and byre. The hay that would feed them during the winter must be stored in sturdy thatched ricks, tied down securely against storms. Those destined for the table were slaughtered, after being ritually devoted to the gods in pagan times. All the harvest must be gathered in -- barley, oats, wheat, turnips, and apples -- for come November, the faeries would blast every growing plant with their breath, blighting any nuts and berries remaining on the hedgerows. Peat and wood for winter fires were stacked high by the hearth. It was a joyous time of family reunion, when all members of the household worked together baking, salting meat, and making preserves for the winter feasts to come. The endless horizons of summer gave way to a warm, dim and often smoky room; the symphony of summer sounds was replaced by a counterpoint of voices, young and old, human and animal.

In early Ireland, people gathered at the ritual centers of the tribes, for Samhain was the principal calendar feast of the year. The greatest assembly was the 'Feast of Tara,' focusing on the royal seat of the High King as the heart of the sacred land, the point of conception for the new year. In every household throughout the country, hearth-fires were extinguished. All waited for the Druids to light the new fire of the year -- not at Tara, but at Tlachtga, a hill twelve miles to the north-west. It marked the burial-place of Tlachtga, daughter of the great druid Mogh Ruith, who may once have been a goddess in her own right in a former age.

At at all the turning points of the Celtic year, the gods drew near to Earth at Samhain, so many sacrifices and gifts were offered up in thanksgiving for the harvest. Personal prayers in the form of objects symbolizing the wishes of supplicants or ailments to be healed were cast into the fire, and at the end of the ceremonies, brands were lit from the great fire of Tara to re-kindle all the home fires of the tribe, as at Beltane. As they received the flame that marked this time of beginnings, people surely felt a sense of the kindling of new dreams, projects and hopes for the year to come.

The Samhain fires continued to blaze down the centuries. In the 1860s the Halloween bonfires were still so popular in Scotland that one traveler reported seeing thirty fires lighting up the hillsides all on one night, each surrounded by rings of dancing figures, a practice which continued up to the first World War. Young people and servants lit brands from the fire and ran around the fields and hedges of house and farm, while community leaders surrounded parish boundaries with a magic circle of light. Afterwards, ashes from the fires were sprinkled over the fields to protect them during the winter months -- and of course, they also improved the soil. The bonfire provided an island of light within the oncoming tide of winter darkness, keeping away cold, discomfort, and evil spirits long before electricity illumined our nights. When the last flame sank down, it was time to run as fast as you could for home, raising the cry, “The black sow without a tail take the hindmost!”

Even today, bonfires light up the skies in many parts of the British Isles and Ireland at this season, although in many areas of Britain their significance has been co-opted by Guy Fawkes Day, which falls on November 5th, and commemorates an unsuccessful attempt to blow up the English Houses of Parliament in the 17th century. In one Devonshire village, the extraordinary sight of both men and women running through the streets with blazing tar barrels on their backs can still be seen! Whatever the reason, there will probably always be a human need to make fires against the winter’s dark.

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/23/08 10:48 PM
I googled that same site...found it interesting