Anyone else feel that the Church has absolutely no reason to be part of our government and should be removed completely?

My biggest pet peeve is whenever the military has a ceremony it always opens with a prayer.

I agree they should be seperate... however there are worse things than saying a prayer. People praying is not on my list of things that piss me off about this country today

no its not doing anything but tryna ask gods help with the gov. bullshi*

the original intent of our separation of church and state is to keep the government from trying to control churches and churches from trying to control the government. If a school wants to have prayer that is there business. If the military wants to have a prayer as part of a ceremony let them. It's good to thave them feel like there is someone or something watching over them. However, the line is drawn where religion influences political or military decisions. I agree completely with what our constitution says. Prayer should not be legally required nor should it be made illegal.

I feel like it kind of has a place, but if you're going to honor one, you should honor them all.

The US was founded on the idea of religious freedom, so everyone has the right to worship as they please, but going with one specific religion to use as the backbone as we seem to be doing is more or less casting a shadow over that religious freedom.

I do, however, feel like some things are being addressed too much on the subject, while others are addressed too little.

I don't think it should be seperated to the extent where if people WANT to pray, in school, in the military, etc... they can't. People should be allowed to pray to whoever their God is... without offending anyone. Why get offended if someone ELSE has beliefs??

What really sets me off is this trying to push religion in our schools with thid stupid Creationism crap! Religion has no place in public schools the way facts have no place in organized religion.

I think people should work on not getting quite so easily offended as well. It's impossible not to offend anyone. But i do get what you are saying. Don't force it. (Kinda like what i said earlier)

Once again there is nothing that says you can't have a moment of silence in the morning to extend a prayer or two... Just don't make it required. And if someone gets offended by the silence then he or she really needs to rethink their life over and work on the anger issue. But, enforcing prayer of any kind is wrong. As well as preaching over the intercom.

I also have nothing wrong with our pledge of allegiance saying "Under God". It's tradition and "God" canbe whomever you choose to worship...

well, evolution is still just a theory at this point, it's the responsibility of a school to teach all sides of the argument, not just creation vs. evolution (or just evolution or just creation), but also whatever the other religions believe as well. It's best to show it from all angles, and the children should believe what they feel is the right answer... they're all theories, however the universe came to be as it is, it's completely up in the air.

With all due respect timp I do not understand why people say that evolution is a theory it's a FACT and a very well established one in the science community. We learned ancient history in school and that involved myths and the religions of cultures. That is all children need then let them follow their own path.

in order to be made a scientific fact, it needs to be put through the scientific method several times under the same circumstances with the same outcome, which in this case, is completely impossible.

There are a lot of arguments on it that I won't get into, missing links, arguments over some of the specimens they've found, etc.

Sorry to inform you but "Separation of Church and State" doesnt necessarily make them mutually exclusive and was never meant to. This is what the 1st Amendment states regarding the idea:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Praying is not establishing religion.

Separate it and if they do not then tax it.

We can call you the Genius from Georgia.


Im with you all the way, and I couldn't say it any better.

Atheist's don't believe in praying. So Gov't backed praying is 100% establishing religion. Atheists do not want to deal with ridiculous Voo Doo and incantations. They just want their kids to have a real actual education free of ridiculous myths.

Thank you

There's nothing wrong about exposing people to any sort of culture. As long as it's not forced on him or her. Everyone, to include the children have a right to develope his or her own beliefs. There is nothing wrong with praying in the morning. There is something wrong with making students pray in the morning. If a christian kid can be tolerant of the athiest, than the athiest can be tolerant of the christian. This is what we need to do to coexist. Anyway, the act of establishing a religion is more than just saying a prayer.

We are not talking about someone quietly saying a prayer in their own head. Any one can do that any time. There is no way for anyone to know what you are doing why you sit quietly at your desk. No one is saying that kids should be stopped from praying.

What we are saying is that anytime prayer is backed by the school in any way then it is an establishment of religion that kids that do not believe in praying should not have to go through. No one should be forced to do these things by the state.

Anyone at anytime can say a prayer quietly in their head and no one will ever know.

i get you...i guess that's kinda what i was trying to say earlier about an early morning silence or something of that sort. Anyhow, a agree that preaching over an intercom is wrong.

until man evolve beyond "want" and "need" then there will always be religion and always be some form of government so it's a symbionat relationship...the government uses the church to controls the people and prevent socieotal choas and the church uses the government to kill and wage war in the name of the church





most of the soldiers are probably religious and have placed their lives on the line for their country or are willing to die for their country or have died for their country ...if praying places these soldiers minds and the minds of their friends and families and most of the country at ease is why the government allows it and why it should be allowed