Topic: Immigration Reform
Dragoness's photo
Tue 03/11/08 01:18 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Tue 03/11/08 01:34 PM



Very incorrect, we have way more indigent citizens than we do illegals.
Horsesh!t. Have you looked around lately?


Do you have any idea how many indigent we have in our citizen ranks??? I do, I used to work for social services and I can tell you that there are 50 or 60 times the amount of indigent to the amount of aliens in this country.




Are you aware that most illegal aliens are indigents, which explains why there are so many indigents.


I am comparing the amount of indegent citizens to the whole estimated population of aliens.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 03/11/08 01:27 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Tue 03/11/08 01:31 PM

pack em up, ship em out, have em enter correctly. if their children are citizens, give them 2 choices.

1. take the child back with them and come in just as any other immigrant would have to

2. give said child up for adoption and come in legally if they choose to do so

cold, but meh... abusing our nation isn't any better


Oh the inhumanity of some people, noway shame on you for even suggesting something that cruel.noway huh Luckily your parents never had to make a choice like that. If the child is born in America, he or she is eligible for full rights and that is as it should be. otherwise, we should start picking and choosing who out of the born Americans can have full rights, I know I would not pick anyone who is this cruel to be a full right citizen so you'd be out.noway People just cannot live without some type of "people" to pick on can they??? Does it give you great power to pick on others like a child on the playground. Feeling your power today????noway huh

Adulthood is waiting for those of you who cannot be humane in this situation, it really is and will be glad to see you.flowerforyou

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Tue 03/11/08 01:29 PM


pack em up, ship em out, have em enter correctly. if their children are citizens, give them 2 choices.

1. take the child back with them and come in just as any other immigrant would have to

2. give said child up for adoption and come in legally if they choose to do so

cold, but meh... abusing our nation isn't any better


Oh the inhumanity of some people, noway shame on you for even suggesting something that cruel.noway huh Luckily your parents never had to make a choice like that. If the child born in America, he or she is eligible for full rights and that is as it should be. otherwise, we should start picking and choosing who out of the born Americans can have full rights, I know I would not pick anyone who is this cruel to be a full right citizen so you'd be out.noway People just cannot live without some type of "people" to pick on can they??? Does it give you great power to pick on others like a child on the playground. Feeling your power today????noway huh

Adulthood is waiting for those of you who cannot be humane in this situation, it really is and will be glad to see you.flowerforyou



But Dragoness.... the poster is giving the criminal illegal alien a choice. I think that is more than fair. Who ever heard of giving criminals a choice. Usually, they get a sentence mandated by a court.

toastedoranges's photo
Tue 03/11/08 01:32 PM
Oh the inhumanity of some people, noway shame on you for even suggesting something that cruel.noway huh Luckily your parents never had to make a choice like that. If the child born in America, he or she is eligible for full rights and that is as it should be. otherwise, we should start picking and choosing who out of the born Americans can have full rights, I know I would not pick anyone who is this cruel to be a full right citizen so you'd be out.noway People just cannot live without some type of "people" to pick on can they??? Does it give you great power to pick on others like a child on the playground. Feeling your power today????noway huh

Adulthood is waiting for those of you who cannot be humane in this situation, it really is and will be glad to see you.flowerforyou


if laws were strictly enforced, the parents would be taken and the kids would emediately be put into foster homes.

the human factor doesn't weigh as heavily as the whole breaking the law bit.

there are legal ways to enter, using your child as a barganing chip is low

Dragoness's photo
Tue 03/11/08 01:40 PM

Oh the inhumanity of some people, noway shame on you for even suggesting something that cruel.noway huh Luckily your parents never had to make a choice like that. If the child born in America, he or she is eligible for full rights and that is as it should be. otherwise, we should start picking and choosing who out of the born Americans can have full rights, I know I would not pick anyone who is this cruel to be a full right citizen so you'd be out.noway People just cannot live without some type of "people" to pick on can they??? Does it give you great power to pick on others like a child on the playground. Feeling your power today????noway huh

Adulthood is waiting for those of you who cannot be humane in this situation, it really is and will be glad to see you.flowerforyou


if laws were strictly enforced, the parents would be taken and the kids would emediately be put into foster homes.

the human factor doesn't weigh as heavily as the whole breaking the law bit.

there are legal ways to enter, using your child as a barganing chip is low


America was built on the integrity of the family. Once we lose our humanity we are no better than the terrorist that we claim to be fighting.noway

toastedoranges's photo
Tue 03/11/08 01:42 PM
America was built on the integrity of the family. Once we lose our humanity we are no better than the terrorist that we claim to be fighting.noway


there are simple laws that they're refusing to follow.

leave and try again


if i go out and commit a bunch of crimes, do i get to protest a jail sentence if i have a child?

Dragoness's photo
Tue 03/11/08 01:47 PM

America was built on the integrity of the family. Once we lose our humanity we are no better than the terrorist that we claim to be fighting.noway


there are simple laws that they're refusing to follow.

leave and try again


if i go out and commit a bunch of crimes, do i get to protest a jail sentence if i have a child?


If I live a life of squalor and poverty and try to better my and my families life, even our courts are considerate of this struggle. We do not even realize the poverty they come from. The crimes commited here are not even slightly comparable to the crimes of which you speak anyway.noway

toastedoranges's photo
Tue 03/11/08 01:50 PM
If I live a life of squalor and poverty and try to better my and my families life, even our courts are considerate of this struggle. We do not even realize the poverty they come from. The crimes commited here are not even slightly comparable to the crimes of which you speak anyway.noway


does not change the fact that there are legal methods of entering this nation

and hell, if they didn't have enough money at first they could just use the tax free income aquired since they arrived

no photo
Tue 03/11/08 01:52 PM
Edited by northrn_yanke on Tue 03/11/08 01:53 PM
If I live a life of squalor and poverty and try to better my and my families life, even our courts are considerate of this struggle. We do not even realize the poverty they come from


you bash Bush and the gov because you claim they are not doing anything for the poor in the US...why do you not have the same attitude for the countries these illegals came from....why it now the US's problem...noway

armydoc4u's photo
Tue 03/11/08 01:59 PM
According to the 2000 census (which is the last one on the books until 2010) about 1 in 5 adults in America are living with a disability of some kind- that does not make them indigent and puts a percentage of about 20% of people fall into this catagory.

with the unemployment rate what it is (5.6 i think) you could argue that those people are indigent as well, which is defined as the unemployed.

If you are referring to the homeless people as indigent then the US estimates that there are 754,000 homeless people in America which is a far cry from the estimated 20,000,000 illegal immigrants.

Luckily, "indigent's" makes up only 6% of the unpaid healthcare cost in America. Granted many probably do not seek it unless they're on their death beds, which says a lot about the general character of this group, they are hard core people, who dont seek out medical care for the snivels.

It is also estimated that hospitals write off over 2 BILLION dollars annually in cost for illegal immagrant healthcare. According to the New York Times health section dated today.

the biggest concern for me is the health concerns that are coming into the country carried by illegal immigrants.

"Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or "kissing bug disease," is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. The disease also infiltrates America's blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected.
Leprosy, also known as Hansen's disease, was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico.
Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Mexico. Recently, according to the report, there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb County, Texas, which borders Mexico. Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic fever routinely kills.
Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal immigrants as do intestinal parasites, says the report.
Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas."

anyway, guess it really doesnt matter, there coming and it seems no one really is taking the drain and strain on the US Tax Payer seriously. It is bad enough we fund all these give away welfare programs of one sort or another, but we have been funding illegal immigration as well. One step closer to the socialist utopian experiment that went bad known the world over as Russia. Thank you democrats. Your really not the devil, you are just not as smart as you think you are.

toastedoranges's photo
Tue 03/11/08 02:06 PM
this is not a matter you can blame solely on the democrats

adj4u's photo
Tue 03/11/08 02:09 PM


America was built on the integrity of the family. Once we lose our humanity we are no better than the terrorist that we claim to be fighting.noway


there are simple laws that they're refusing to follow.

leave and try again


if i go out and commit a bunch of crimes, do i get to protest a jail sentence if i have a child?


If I live a life of squalor and poverty and try to better my and my families life, even our courts are considerate of this struggle. We do not even realize the poverty they come from. The crimes commited here are not even slightly comparable to the crimes of which you speak anyway.noway



sorry put let them fix their country

either enter legally

or get deported

no middle ground

if they do not go to immigration board state why they need to enter and choose to enter on there own

they get deported

simple issue

armydoc4u's photo
Tue 03/11/08 02:19 PM

this is not a matter you can blame solely on the democrats


I will actually, they have fought against every illegal immigration bill put forth in congress, they have not allocated the funding for the gates and walls promised by the last bill enacted. they decry anyone who says that welfare isnt for illegals, and illegals arent entitled to use our school systems which we the tax payer pays for.

Yes I truly believe that democrats have out lived their usefulness in America and should go the way of the old soviet union.

putting border guards on trial for shooting a known drug trafficer, who didnt die by the way. unarming the national guard who is just there now as witnesses not a deterent.

tell me one damn good thing, policy, act, thought process or the like that a damn democrat has had in the last fifty years and I'll get off this computer and go blow my head off!!!!

toastedoranges's photo
Tue 03/11/08 02:26 PM
even bush himself was trying for anmesty

Dragoness's photo
Tue 03/11/08 03:16 PM

If I live a life of squalor and poverty and try to better my and my families life, even our courts are considerate of this struggle. We do not even realize the poverty they come from


you bash Bush and the gov because you claim they are not doing anything for the poor in the US...why do you not have the same attitude for the countries these illegals came from....why it now the US's problem...noway


Conforming another country is not my business, conforming mine is my business. Not even comparable there.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 03/11/08 03:17 PM

According to the 2000 census (which is the last one on the books until 2010) about 1 in 5 adults in America are living with a disability of some kind- that does not make them indigent and puts a percentage of about 20% of people fall into this catagory.

with the unemployment rate what it is (5.6 i think) you could argue that those people are indigent as well, which is defined as the unemployed.

If you are referring to the homeless people as indigent then the US estimates that there are 754,000 homeless people in America which is a far cry from the estimated 20,000,000 illegal immigrants.

Luckily, "indigent's" makes up only 6% of the unpaid healthcare cost in America. Granted many probably do not seek it unless they're on their death beds, which says a lot about the general character of this group, they are hard core people, who dont seek out medical care for the snivels.

It is also estimated that hospitals write off over 2 BILLION dollars annually in cost for illegal immagrant healthcare. According to the New York Times health section dated today.

the biggest concern for me is the health concerns that are coming into the country carried by illegal immigrants.

"Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or "kissing bug disease," is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. The disease also infiltrates America's blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected.
Leprosy, also known as Hansen's disease, was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico.
Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Mexico. Recently, according to the report, there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb County, Texas, which borders Mexico. Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic fever routinely kills.
Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal immigrants as do intestinal parasites, says the report.
Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas."

anyway, guess it really doesnt matter, there coming and it seems no one really is taking the drain and strain on the US Tax Payer seriously. It is bad enough we fund all these give away welfare programs of one sort or another, but we have been funding illegal immigration as well. One step closer to the socialist utopian experiment that went bad known the world over as Russia. Thank you democrats. Your really not the devil, you are just not as smart as you think you are.


This is not accurate at all, but thanks for the effort.noway

no photo
Tue 03/11/08 03:18 PM


If I live a life of squalor and poverty and try to better my and my families life, even our courts are considerate of this struggle. We do not even realize the poverty they come from


you bash Bush and the gov because you claim they are not doing anything for the poor in the US...why do you not have the same attitude for the countries these illegals came from....why it now the US's problem...noway


Conforming another country is not my business, conforming mine is my business. Not even comparable there.


it would be if a Republican named Bush was the leader of that country..laugh laugh laugh

no photo
Tue 03/11/08 06:21 PM


this is not a matter you can blame solely on the democrats


I will actually, they have fought against every illegal immigration bill put forth in congress, they have not allocated the funding for the gates and walls promised by the last bill enacted. they decry anyone who says that welfare isnt for illegals, and illegals arent entitled to use our school systems which we the tax payer pays for.

Yes I truly believe that democrats have out lived their usefulness in America and should go the way of the old soviet union.

putting border guards on trial for shooting a known drug trafficer, who didnt die by the way. unarming the national guard who is just there now as witnesses not a deterent.

tell me one damn good thing, policy, act, thought process or the like that a damn democrat has had in the last fifty years and I'll get off this computer and go blow my head off!!!!


Then by your statement one would deduce that you support a one-party system?? That would mean totalitarianism or at worst facism.

adj4u's photo
Tue 03/11/08 08:21 PM


pack em up, ship em out, have em enter correctly. if their children are citizens, give them 2 choices.

1. take the child back with them and come in just as any other immigrant would have to

2. give said child up for adoption and come in legally if they choose to do so

cold, but meh... abusing our nation isn't any better


Oh the inhumanity of some people, noway shame on you for even suggesting something that cruel.noway huh Luckily your parents never had to make a choice like that. If the child is born in America, he or she is eligible for full rights and that is as it should be. otherwise, we should start picking and choosing who out of the born Americans can have full rights, I know I would not pick anyone who is this cruel to be a full right citizen so you'd be out.noway People just cannot live without some type of "people" to pick on can they??? Does it give you great power to pick on others like a child on the playground. Feeling your power today????noway huh

Adulthood is waiting for those of you who cannot be humane in this situation, it really is and will be glad to see you.flowerforyou



yes the inhumanity of anyone

that would risk they child in such a manner

they should be removed from the area

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that is like saying it may be illegal

to hold up the liquor store

but they only tried to make their life better

after all they have kids

they should not go to jail

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illegal is illegal

till the law is changed

it is illegal

and should be treated as such

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 03/11/08 08:28 PM


this is not a matter you can blame solely on the democrats


I will actually, they have fought against every illegal immigration bill put forth in congress, they have not allocated the funding for the gates and walls promised by the last bill enacted. they decry anyone who says that welfare isnt for illegals, and illegals arent entitled to use our school systems which we the tax payer pays for.

Yes I truly believe that democrats have out lived their usefulness in America and should go the way of the old soviet union.

putting border guards on trial for shooting a known drug trafficer, who didnt die by the way. unarming the national guard who is just there now as witnesses not a deterent.

tell me one damn good thing, policy, act, thought process or the like that a damn democrat has had in the last fifty years and I'll get off this computer and go blow my head off!!!!


I know what you mean about the border patrol agents and the national guard, etc. It's just plain wrong.