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Topic: Immigration Reform
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Wed 03/12/08 05:53 PM
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Wed 03/12/08 06:32 PM
i really do not care i just do not want the thread locked

but it seems i am not permitted to say such things

in my own words

smokin smokin

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Wed 03/12/08 06:39 PM
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Wed 03/12/08 06:49 PM
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The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed slaves. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by writing:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

The original intent of the 14th Amendment was clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law at taxpayer expense. Current estimates indicate there may be over 300,000 anchor babies born each year in the U.S., thus causing illegal alien mothers to add more to the U.S. population each year than immigration from all sources in an average year before 1965.

The correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment is that an illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her baby.

Over a century ago, the Supreme Court correctly confirmed this restricted interpretation of citizenship in the so-called 'Slaughter-House cases' [83 US 36 (1873)] and in [112 US 94 (1884)]. In Elk v.Wilkins, the phrase 'subject to its jurisdiction' excluded from its operation 'children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States.' In Elk, the American Indian claimant was considered not an American citizen because the law required him to be 'not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.'








fanta......

I copied/pasted my post from page 6 of this thread. Our thoughts seem to be in unison

"My son is a bit of a Constitutional scholar, not an expert, but he knows more than the average person. I questioned him as to why illegal Mexican women who sneak into the USA and go to emergency rooms to have their babies wind up with American citizenship for their children. My son said it has to do with the 14th Amendment and the slaves. The 14th Amendment gave citizenship to the slaves and made the rule that if you were born here, you were an American citizen. Also, this is the norm for most countries. However, my son pointed out the fact that here in the USA the Liberals have twisted the citizenship thing to give citizenship to children of illegals, which was not intended by the original concept of the 14th Amendment."

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Thu 03/13/08 08:03 AM










n hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm




I cannot discount California's costs, they are housing the majority of illegals. So I will not argue those and they are not talking here of welfare and foodstamps and such so I cannot discount this. If they are not doing what others do and count the whole counties cost and make it into an illegal figure then that may be true.


i guess it is no longer a victimless crime then

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But that is the state of California and effects us in the other states none at all. That is the state of Californias issue, not the nations issue.


are you trying to say california gets no federal aid

i have to strongly disagree with that


No federal monies can be used for illegals, that has been in the laws for a long long time.


so they use the fed money for program c d and f

thus devirting the money saved by using fed money for c d and f

to the programs for illegals

sorry it is not a victimless crime

and it effects us all

if they were not here illegally

their children would not be born here

thus becoming a citizen

no longer a victimless crime and that is a cost to everyone




The monies go to a citizen therefore no crime, no cost.


if they were not here illegally

there would be no citizen

back to the catch 22


This cannot be helped because we have travellers from other countries who have children here and citizenship is automatically given and should be they are born here. You were born here, I was born here, we got citizenship from just being born here noone had to do anything to make us citizens and that is how it should be.


travelers do not stay

they go back to their home country

and the child decides citizenship upon becoming an adult

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Thu 03/13/08 08:05 AM


Medical care to illegal aliens

"Mexican ambulance drivers are driving their hospital patients who can't pay for medical care in Mexico, to facilities in the United States. They know that the federal Emergency Medical Act mandates that U.S. hospitals with emergency-room services must treat anyone who requires care, including illegal aliens.

-------
CAIR - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform

http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html

so much for no federal money for illegals


This must have happened once and such a ruckus was made about it that it became an urban legend...lol Doesn't even sound real.


this is fro a colorado group

interesting they would need one

if it is victim less in colorado

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Thu 03/13/08 08:06 AM
from page 1



i feel that the born in the united states

clause

is abused greatly

i believe that this cluse was established for those legally in the country

not for whom ever sneaks across any borders

but i am taking liberty in saying this

so maybe it is incorrect

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Thu 03/13/08 08:11 AM

from page 1



i feel that the born in the united states

clause

is abused greatly

i believe that this cluse was established for those legally in the country

not for whom ever sneaks across any borders

but i am taking liberty in saying this

so maybe it is incorrect





adj4u.....

You are correct. Read all of fanta's posts and mine. Citizenship is not meant for children of illegals who sneak across the border into our country. Giving the children of illegals/criminals is an abuse of the 14th Amendment.

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Thu 03/13/08 08:12 AM


And, This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States.


That is not included in the list fanta.


well if they have their own medical staff

and are born on embassy grounds

they are not in the united states

embassies are soviern territory

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Thu 03/13/08 08:18 AM


from page 1



i feel that the born in the united states

clause

is abused greatly

i believe that this cluse was established for those legally in the country

not for whom ever sneaks across any borders

but i am taking liberty in saying this

so maybe it is incorrect





adj4u.....

You are correct. Read all of fanta's posts and mine. Citizenship is not meant for children of illegals who sneak across the border into our country. Giving the children of illegals/criminals is an abuse of the 14th Amendment.



if a child is born of someone illegally in the country

then the 14th ammendment should not apply

they should have to be here and in legal standing

but that is only my opinion

based on the following

there is a law that says

one may not profit from committing a crime

kinda like being a serial killer then writing a book about it

said serial killer is blocked form receiving profits

from said book

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Thu 03/13/08 08:21 AM



from page 1



i feel that the born in the united states

clause

is abused greatly

i believe that this cluse was established for those legally in the country

not for whom ever sneaks across any borders

but i am taking liberty in saying this

so maybe it is incorrect





adj4u.....

You are correct. Read all of fanta's posts and mine. Citizenship is not meant for children of illegals who sneak across the border into our country. Giving the children of illegals/criminals is an abuse of the 14th Amendment.



if a child is born of someone illegally in the country

then the 14th ammendment should not apply

they should have to be here and in legal standing

but that is only my opinion

based on the following

there is a law that says

one may not profit from committing a crime

kinda like being a serial killer then writing a book about it

said serial killer is blocked form receiving profits

from said book




adj4u.....

That is a good analogy. Too bad our legislatures don't have your common sense.

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