Topic: Immigration Reform
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Wed 03/12/08 03:56 PM

And, This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States.


That is not included in the list fanta.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 03/12/08 03:58 PM

H.R.4088
Title: To provide immigration reform by securing America's borders, clarifying and enforcing existing laws, and enabling a practical employer verification program.
Sponsor: Rep Shuler, Heath [NC-11] (introduced 11/6/2007) Cosponsors (145)





SUMMARY AS OF:
11/6/2007--Introduced.

Secure America Through Verification and Enforcement Act of 2007 or SAVE Act of 2007 - Sets forth border security and enforcement provisions, including provisions respecting: (1) increases in Border Patrol and investigative personnel; (2) recruitment of former military personnel; (3) use of Department of Defense (DOD) equipment; (4) infrastructure improvements; (5) aerial and other surveillance; (5) a national strategy to secure the borders; (6) emergency deployment of Border Patrol agents; and (7) expansion of the Customs-Trade Partnership Against Terrorism along the northern and southern borders.

Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act and specified maritime law sections to revise alien smuggling provisions.

Sets forth provisions respecting border security on certain federal lands under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of Agriculture or the Secretary of the Interior.

Border Law Enforcement Act - Authorizes a border relief grant program for a tribal, state, or local law enforcement agency in a county within 25 miles of the southern border of the United States.

Amends the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 to make the basic employment eligibility confirmation pilot program permanent.

Sets forth conditions for the mandatory use of the E-verify system.

Requires: (1) employer/employee notification of social security number mismatches and multiple uses, and related information sharing with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS); and (2) establishment of electronic birth and death registration systems.

Amends the Internal Revenue Code to: (1) penalize specified employers for failure to correct information returns; and (2) prohibit employers from deducting from gross income wages paid to unauthorized aliens, with an exception for an employer participating in the basic employment eligibility confirmation program.

Increases criminal alien program (CAP) personnel.

Establishes within DHS a rewards program to assist in the elimination of commercial operations to produce or sell fraudulent immigration-related documents and to assist in the investigation, prosecution, or disruption of commercial alien smuggling operations.

Provides for: (1) increased alien detention facilities; (2) additional district court judgeships; and (3) a media campaign to inform the public of changes made by this Act including a multilingual media campaign explaining noncompliance penalties.




What is this some rightwing hatemongers version of reform or what?

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:00 PM
Well,
Hes no Tom Tancredo,
but Im proud of him!!

He was elected over an incumbant with more than 27 yrs in.
Charles Taylor!!

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:05 PM
163 signatures!!!!

Tom Tancredo of Colorado, among them!!!

Dragoness's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:05 PM

Well,
Hes no Tom Tancredo,
but Im proud of him!!

He was elected over an incumbant with more than 27 yrs in.
Charles Taylor!!


Don't know of him or about him at all. Right winger? Hatemonger? Whats his agenda? Where does he come from? Why is he doing this? What are his other agendas? Why? Etc..... Got to look harder than the surface for these folks, sometimes their agenda is hate and racial inequity.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:06 PM


And, This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States.


That is not included in the list fanta.

That is in the minutes from 1866 when the admendment was first introduced!!

Dragoness's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:09 PM

163 signatures!!!!

Tom Tancredo of Colorado, among them!!!


Tom is not one of my favorites due to the duplication of legislature about illegals that was done here to a waste of our tax dollars and very few people here even realize that he wasted their time and money.

He got a name for himself on false and untrue issues. That is not a good mark for him.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:10 PM



And, This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States.


That is not included in the list fanta.

That is in the minutes from 1866 when the admendment was first introduced!!


It was not included in the final ammendment, I wonder why?

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:13 PM
The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed slaves. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by writing:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

The original intent of the 14th Amendment was clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law at taxpayer expense. Current estimates indicate there may be over 300,000 anchor babies born each year in the U.S., thus causing illegal alien mothers to add more to the U.S. population each year than immigration from all sources in an average year before 1965.

The correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment is that an illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her baby.

Over a century ago, the Supreme Court correctly confirmed this restricted interpretation of citizenship in the so-called 'Slaughter-House cases' [83 US 36 (1873)] and in [112 US 94 (1884)]. In Elk v.Wilkins, the phrase 'subject to its jurisdiction' excluded from its operation 'children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States.' In Elk, the American Indian claimant was considered not an American citizen because the law required him to be 'not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.'


Dragoness's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:32 PM

The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed slaves. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by writing:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

The original intent of the 14th Amendment was clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law at taxpayer expense. Current estimates indicate there may be over 300,000 anchor babies born each year in the U.S., thus causing illegal alien mothers to add more to the U.S. population each year than immigration from all sources in an average year before 1965.

The correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment is that an illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her baby.

Over a century ago, the Supreme Court correctly confirmed this restricted interpretation of citizenship in the so-called 'Slaughter-House cases' [83 US 36 (1873)] and in [112 US 94 (1884)]. In Elk v.Wilkins, the phrase 'subject to its jurisdiction' excluded from its operation 'children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States.' In Elk, the American Indian claimant was considered not an American citizen because the law required him to be 'not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.'




Sounds to me like something got lost in the interpretation then because I listed the laws that say who is naturally born here and that statement is nowhere to be found. OOPs their bad I guess, huh?

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:35 PM


Well,
Hes no Tom Tancredo,
but Im proud of him!!

He was elected over an incumbant with more than 27 yrs in.
Charles Taylor!!


Don't know of him or about him at all. Right winger? Hatemonger? Whats his agenda? Where does he come from? Why is he doing this? What are his other agendas? Why? Etc..... Got to look harder than the surface for these folks, sometimes their agenda is hate and racial inequity.


Democrat!! The incumbant was a Republican!drinker

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:37 PM
The definition of jurisdiction and loyalty is what YOU miss!!

laugh laugh

Dragoness's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:39 PM

The definition of jurisdiction and loyalty is what YOU miss!!

laugh laugh


Sarcasm here??? noway Or did I really miss something?huh

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:45 PM
drinker drinker It really dont matter.
We are in the process of giving new meaning to illegal immigrants and anchor babies!drinker drinker

My main point is, while comendable, your views are in the minority.
Things are changing, Arizona, Tex, Colorado, Georgia, and more to follow!
Americans are becoming over-burdened to the point where complacency cant stand!!drinker

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:52 PM
You know him, surely;

On May 2, 2006, Shuler won the Democratic primary with nearly 75 percent of the vote. In the campaign, Shuler repeatedly attacked Taylor for putting the interests of the Bush administration above those of the 11th, and pledged to be an "independent voice" for Western North Carolina.

Joseph Heath Shuler (born December 31, 1971) is a congressman and former professional football player. On November 7, 2006 Shuler was elected to the U.S. House as a Democrat from North Carolina's 11th congressional district (map). The district, based in Asheville, includes most of the Blue Ridge Mountains in western North Carolina.

A former NFL quarterback and real-estate investor, Shuler was born in Bryson City, North Carolina, a small town in the Great Smoky Mountains. Shuler attended the University of Tennessee in Knoxville from 1990-93.


Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/12/08 04:59 PM
See,
now that's what you do when a politician wont listen to their constituants!!!!

Replace them...

Elizabeth Dole is my next target!
Surely you know her!!

Dragoness's photo
Wed 03/12/08 05:07 PM

drinker drinker It really dont matter.
We are in the process of giving new meaning to illegal immigrants and anchor babies!drinker drinker

My main point is, while comendable, your views are in the minority.
Things are changing, Arizona, Tex, Colorado, Georgia, and more to follow!
Americans are becoming over-burdened to the point where complacency cant stand!!drinker


Colorado never had a problem, you are not listening to me. We never gave the illegals anything. I have to argue this same thing with my dad all the time. He is so full of hate for the illegals he is becoming a bitter old man. It is sad watching it eat him from the inside out. Makes him not very fun to be around at all.noway Love him but something has got to give here. He is going to have to bend some.huh

Dragoness's photo
Wed 03/12/08 05:08 PM

You know him, surely;

On May 2, 2006, Shuler won the Democratic primary with nearly 75 percent of the vote. In the campaign, Shuler repeatedly attacked Taylor for putting the interests of the Bush administration above those of the 11th, and pledged to be an "independent voice" for Western North Carolina.

Joseph Heath Shuler (born December 31, 1971) is a congressman and former professional football player. On November 7, 2006 Shuler was elected to the U.S. House as a Democrat from North Carolina's 11th congressional district (map). The district, based in Asheville, includes most of the Blue Ridge Mountains in western North Carolina.

A former NFL quarterback and real-estate investor, Shuler was born in Bryson City, North Carolina, a small town in the Great Smoky Mountains. Shuler attended the University of Tennessee in Knoxville from 1990-93.




Nope, sorry he has never crossed my radar.

Chazster's photo
Wed 03/12/08 05:09 PM

drinker drinker It really dont matter.
We are in the process of giving new meaning to illegal immigrants and anchor babies!drinker drinker

My main point is, while comendable, your views are in the minority.
Things are changing, Arizona, Tex, Colorado, Georgia, and more to follow!
Americans are becoming over-burdened to the point where complacency cant stand!!drinker

grumble grumble grumble grumble I hate anchor babies. I think they need to change the law. You are only a citizen if your parents are citizens. No jumping the fence and having a baby and claiming its a US citizen. Thats got to go.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/12/08 05:17 PM
Thats what Tom said in the Denver Post!

Suthers said it doesn't matter whether parents are here legally or illegally, only that they have lived in Colorado for a year.

"Because it is the student, rather than the parents, who is the legal beneficiary of in-state tuition status, the fact that the parents may be in the country illegally is not a bar to the student's receipt of that benefit," Suthers wrote.

Schultheis said he wants to change that.

"People here legally have worked, they've put money into the system, all of which goes to support higher education," he said. "I have an aversion to providing domicile to someone here illegally; there is something intrinsically wrong."

U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, an ardent opponent of illegal immigration, said he agreed with the attorney general.

"We've never had a problem with kids who are in the country legally," Tancredo spokesman Carlos Espinosa said. "If they're legal citizens, they should be granted in-state tuition."

Suthers' opinion was hailed by immigration-rights groups.

The opinion comes after David Skaggs, executive director of the Colorado Commission on Higher Education, asked for advice after learning that colleges across the state were implementing in-state tuition laws differently.

The attorney general explored two areas in Colorado law: Whether a child's parents can be considered state residents even if they are in the country illegally, and whether it is the student, or the parents, who receive the benefit of in-state tuition.

This second part is important in light of a state law banning illegal immigrants from receiving any state public benefits.



The last two lines is what I was saying earlier about Colorados laws making illegal immigrants ineligable for State benefits.
You are living in a growing but isolated world.

Yay Colorado, Georgia, VA, Arizona,
The list is growing everyday!!!drinker drinker