oh dragoon dragoon dragoon..... tsk tsk tsk.

you need to be more accurate, and hopefully honest while posting. However, let me say that I do appreciate where your eart is, even if it must bend and distort the truth.

Do you understand how state funded programs are actually ran. How they are actually funded? it isnt rocket science. The tax burden on the citizen whether it be from the federal side the state side, the county side or the local majestrate side, it is still funded by public means ie. TAXES.

Illegal immigrants add a burden to the health care system, as many of them do not carry health insurance and rely on emergency rooms — which are legally required to treat them — as a principal source of care. In Colorado, for example, an estimated 80% of illegal immigrants do not have health insurance.
wikipedia.

Undocumented adults account for about $6.4 billion a year in national health care expenses, $1.1 billion of which is paid from public funds. workpermit.com (a left leaning publication that encourages immigration)

Illegal aliens are a source of strain on the welfare system, the criminal justice system, and the education system.
And while the costs are amplified, tax collection from illegal aliens is miniscule:
"The Los Angeles Times reports that 950,000 illegals live in the five counties comprising the greater Los Angeles area.
Their economic activity is mostly underground, which means the employers pay low cash wages, no overtime,
no benefits and no taxes. ... John Chiang of the State Board of Equalization, California's tax oversight agency,
estimates that the state loses $7 billion a year in unpaid taxes because of the underground sector."
And while the tax collections are miniscule, the payments to immigrant groups overall is large:
"The U.S. Census Bureau reports that 30.6 percent of Hispanics receive means-tested government benefits
compared to 9 percent of whites."
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=4170&catcode=11
Education also takes a hit due to illegal immigration. The same source notes:
"Even though California spends $2.2 billion to educate children
who are illegally in this country, nearly half of Hispanic adults have not graduated from high school."
The total cost nationwide to teach children of illegal aliens is $7.4 billion nationwide.
The cost extends into the area of crime and law enforcement.
"Almost 25 percent of all inmates in California prisons are from Mexico." begging the question,
why arent they deported? Which would only beg the response, if they are deported, how can you
stop them from coming back? These costs get
In the latest Medicare bill, the Federal Government is picking up the tab for illegal alien health care:
U.S. hospitals in border states provide at least $200 million a year in uncompensated emergency care to illegal aliens.

"Mr Borjas, an economist at the University of California, San Diego, and Stephen Trejo,
another economist at that university's Santa Barbara campus, completed a research paper
in 1990 looking at immigrant population in the welfare system. Its findings dispel the myth
widely propagated that only economic benefits arise from rising immigration. The two confirm
the "widespread perception that unskilled immigrants are particularly prone to enter the welfare
system, and that entry of large numbers of immigrants in the past decades has increased taxpayer
expenditures on income transfer programs"-that is, welfare and other government programs....
The two also found that immigrant households receive a higher level of welfare payments than do native households."
http://www.libreopinion.com/members/standarteslc/race04.html

Thus, many costs are offloaded from low-wage employers of illegal aliens as well as immigrants generally to the rest of the society. Immigrants come to benefit themselves and not necessarily our country's benefit. Those that immigrate illegally harm our country, but ignore the laws because it benefits them. The market for cheap labor is one that some employers welcome, as cheap, unregulated, compliant labor is easier to manage.
So low-wage employers have an interest in preferring a system of immigration looseness over tightness, and non-enforcement of laws are even better to shed even worker protections. Many illegal alien employees are escaping more extreme poverty and
so accept their situation. While the benefits are privatized - cheap compliant labor for employers,
and job opportunities and Government aid for the immigrants - the costs of illegal immigration are socialized:
healthcare, crime, public services costs, the various costs of displacing American workers.


we could go on and on and on about this topic, i welcome the conversation, BUT the TRUTH to the whole thing is that YES THEY DO PUT ADDED STRAIN ON TAX PAYERS BY USING UP PUBLIC FUNDS.

PERIOD!

her is the law

http://library.findlaw.com/2000/Aug/1/127864.html

dragoness you compassion is commendable

but your arguments do not stand up to scrutiny

i commend you for your kind and caring personality

in the words of the wise one


waz up doc

Dragoness.....


I cut/pasted/posted part of your post,

"This cannot be helped because we have travellers from other countries who have children here and citizenship is automatically given and should be they are born here. You were born here, I was born here, we got citizenship from just being born here noone had to do anything to make us citizens and that is how it should be."

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My son is a bit of a Constitutional scholar, not an expert, but he knows more than the average person. I questioned him as to why illegal Mexican women who sneak into the USA and go to emergency rooms to have their babies wind up with American citizenship for their children. My son said it has to do with the 14th Amendment and the slaves. The 14th Amendment gave citizenship to the slaves and made the rule that if you were born here, you were an American citizen. Also, this is the norm for most countries. However, my son pointed out the fact that here in the USA the Liberals have twisted the citizenship thing to give citizenship to children of illegals, which was not intended by the original concept of the 14th Amendment.

from page one

Dragoness......

In respect to the above about Mexican ambulance drivers bringing patients into American hospitals, it is a fact. However, there is one thing I want to clarify in respect to The Federal Emergency Medical Act referred to above. It only applies to emergency rooms at public hospitals. In other words, illegals cannot demand services at emergency rooms at private hospitals without medical insurance or the means to pay for services. Private hospitals have the right to turn them away.



Addendum...... Another point I want to make Dragoness is that in reference to illegals who go to emergency rooms, you made the statement "Surprisingly [illegals] do pay their bills. You would be surprised how many of them pay their bills."

I have mentioned this before that I had an accident the first week of January and was taken to the Emergency Room at the University of Pennsylvania Hospital. There was a mix-up and in lieu of the bill being sent to my insurance company, it was sent to me. The bill for the three hours I was in the Emergency Room was over five thousand dollars. And you are trying to tell us illegals pay for treatment received in Emergency Rooms. I think not!

The Act applies to all hospitals which have emergency rooms and which participate in the Medicare program. Almost all hospitals, public and private, receive Medicare funds; therefore, almost all hospitals are covered by the federal Act


same site

adj you wise old coot, whats the deal with bringing out the actual law to support your opinion, dont you know thats not fair to peoples feelings?



one remark about hopitals, public or private, they are in the public domain and therefore trust, and CAN NOT turn away anyone who is in need of life saving care. Its not only unethical but also illegal.


party!!!!! but she left now so we're just preaching to the choir.

WOULD I DO THAT

in best erkle voice

cant we all just get along???

<<<<----they are watching

adj4u......


"They are watching?" I can't see them and have no idea who they are. Therefore, they must be watching you. Be careful!

yep watching everyone



they are really they are

adj4u.....

I am glad you can see these people who are watching everyone, because I can't! Do they talk to you, that is, do you hear voices?

well i am not deaf (yet)

so if someone is talking sometimes i hear them

and i do know what you don't know can hurt you

also i know just because i do not see it does not mean
it does not happen or exist








<<<----they are watching

Yep ..... the tree falling in the forest...... I get it.

Well, my milk and cookies are almost gone. So, I am going back to sleep. If you hadn't been so mean to me, I would offer you some of my gourmet chocolate chip walnut cookies and a tall glass of milk. But none for you; all for me!

sorry you feel i was mean to you

if you would email me the post i was mean to you in

i will send an apoligy

my not wanting a negative action to happen is mean

then that is your opinion

but the offer stands

adj4u..... sounds like you want to apologize privately through email. accepted ....

wtf?!!!

wwwwwwwhhhhaaaaattttt?????????????

leah, I wasnt talking to you, about you, or saying anything to do with you. The SHE in my statement was dragoon, she had left for the night... the preaching to the chior was a comment about me posting in this thread at a time when the only ones who were reading it would be people who agreed with it.

so for the record, you need to say you stand corrected. there werent any insults thrown your way, until this one....are you on medication? did you forget to take it tonite? just checking, im here for you.


doc