does that mean you have a partnership with multiple jones

Maybe maybe not

i reacted, you indeed are right and thanks for pointing it out.....you make total sense and it was an attack on my part...the drug thing and convaluded writings did not sit well with my pride....i do not claim to be without pride, and think all humans need it to live.....thanks for takin the time to actually show me what you were referring to though....i am always open to all that another has to say to me no matter how it might make me feel....humans have emotions and i do not think they are bad, but there for a reason.....to me this is the only way i can ever see truth, and you i consider a friend for the courage to tell me what is on your mind and the way you feel.....i am not one that lives by the golden rule of do unto others, but rather the belief that others as myself most want to know the TRUE feelings of others....i don't give a **** if another offend me or not....we all have emotion that keep us from seeing clearly all the truth and i only wish to admit all that i am myself, the good and the bad, so that i can continue to see clearly, lol......if one offend me i will not fake it, but rather say just what is me......the only way i have personally found that for me to truely care about others is if i allow myself to be me....i do not think anything that proclaim anything for itself can then keep it themself, but rather to speak the whole truth of what each feel, as there is great wisdom that lie in each thing that live and many times it cannot be allowed to come out if one is afraid to offend.....i wish and encourage that in all that i know.....i think each thing is perfect and do not see anger nor bitterness or any other so called emotion as negative, as each is needed for a point of reference to know the opposite and we have it so it is for a reason to me.....it is far better to me to expell what bother us about something to one another, just as the body itself expell what it does not need from itself within the bowels of the porcelain god, lol....the emotions of a person are the same and i am most opposed to the belief in trying to be a good person, and this i felt was her main message to others and i have seen first hand how this thinking make all miserable and imprison others to a life of unhappiness.....i do not believe in evil and think that the religion of do gooding make all to fear their own self and not believe even in themself, and what make anything weak of mind, what make any child hurt another, and make many wars when perpetuated by a society, and what keeps all neighbors from being friends..........to tell something to be good and it is by default going to think it is NOT good.....if one hear this everyday since childhood be the only thing that rob our children of all the love that they are, and every adult the same.....i am not trying to make anyone believe anything....just stating my opinions which are just to each their own observations.....if another believe them then that is their choice, as i make no representations or claims to be anything other than just another guy that sees what i see.....but make no mistake it is nothing that i have copied or taken from another human being but rather have felt and experienced myself and this is all each of us have to share with another.....life is to learn wisdom, not to be good people, and this be the only thing i myself have learned more of today....thanks man

I can look up words too. It does not mean I know how to apply them to situations, as evidenced in this thread [by yourself]. To not be convoluted is to be direct and precise. To say what you mean and to mean what you say. It is to write for the reader. It does not have to be perfect, but it needs to be more than rambled thoughts spilled out in streams.

Okay, I rest my case.

Have a great day, DavidBen1.

Funny, very cute

why do you prey on me as a women with talons that wish to reduce the words i write to simple pride, and respond with no reasoning or thought to anything i write....you can't even give any good reason why you would disagree with what i write.....many others read and see truth in it, but as long as you elevate yourself to speelng bee champ you feel smart???? please women, you have no idea of the things i write as your pride over rule your own heart and keep you blind and in need of repair

Cant we all just get along???

i am sorry my dear friend, but if another wish to prove their womenhood here and use me for it, than i have no choice as man to speak my same peace....it is all good....all things bad turn into good, just as a tree in winter is barren, and then the spring come from the winter and make flowers and beauty

Shakespear: to thine ownself be true

And why do you take anything I say personally or as attacking? Can my questions really not be an attempt to understand? Can I debate you if I do not know what you mean? This thread is, after all, about what a real man is. Is he one who assumes? One who takes things personally and responds with such fervor against a member of what he obviously views as the weaker sex?

Since you have such strong judgments on me, and all I ever asked was that you write clearly and in a way myself (and most likely others) can more easily understand...

I'm leaving this thread. You may continue to make your assumptions and misogyinistic assignations abound.. after all my presence did not stop you...

this is what we each do here and why it is GOOD....thanks

Having the pleasure to chat briefly with whom I "assume" you are referring to, I find this to be quite uncalled for. I do not have to prove my womanhood as I am sure she does not have to either. Afterall, why would anyone have to prove something that is evident?

We all just have to agree to disagree while respecting the other party. Our differences is what makes us all unique and individuals. Just my opinion David.

you do not respond to one point of discussion i have made but rather with each return some insult which shows what you really care about.....the last post i made was no attack and many posts earlier tried to appease you just for the sake of others here.....i have in no way said you are a weaker sex, actually the truth of it is to me a women has to be understood before a man will know wisdom, and until then wil only try to appease her to get love himself......so do youm actually have any common sense response to this great lie i tel again? to not understand a man keep a women in a place of no wisdom just the same....why is there man and women both if it is not both wisdoms together that make truth? Why the two halves are miserable without seeing the prupose of man and women to be created......to understand something does not mean one agrees with it, but rather sees how the half a women hold is the key to making a mans wisdom complete....this is what i think of women, and have many, many, many women that are my friends and swear i am the only true friend they have that will always speak the truth....so how i pray you has my fervor attempted to destroy? rather have i not tried to explain what, why, and how i have come to the logical things that i write and share..........sorry to any that have been offended by all this, but sometimes the truth of each need be spoken, as what else has each than to know beyond a shadow of doubt in the end what they believe and know to be truth and nothing good can come to be until it is believed in enough to be spoken and stood for.....all said and done my first post attacked no one.....a poor defenseless women would not accuse another of doing drugs, and i have in no way treated you as weak, or i would ahve shut up long ago, lol.....rather i think you are a truth seeker and can handle honest debate, so my actions do not show i think of you as weak.....maybe to proud of yourself but then all have this as even i have shown in this little event....what be the wrong or harm or defect in anything being human?

Davidben1:

You take one step forward...then instantly take a step back. All the while holding lilith accountable for it.

If your words matched your actions? You'd probably have to work much less, to prove whatever it is you seem so desperate to prove.

There is a constructive message in there somewhere for you.

Words without works are dead.

here is my original post.....nothing except what has been convinced it is bad need to TRY with effort to be good, and even in doing so the actions and preaching of others to be good show the person that preach this is themselves afraid of evil, so evil then THEY believe in and will overtake them.....why anything that live to be a good person will cut itself off from love from all except those that do the same, and then only the selfish love of treat me right or else will exist between the two

so how have i attacked anybody here?

second post was in fact agreeing with you about being true to oneself.....refer to that post and you will see that this was aimed at agreeing with all you said......so than how was what i wrote attacking anyone? why are you in the middle of this anyhow......you have not responded to one thing that i wrote in agreement or disagreement......that is all that means **** in the end....we become what we agree with whether it be the truth or not, so yes my friend, the truth does matter more than feelings, and that you would be wise to see fo yourself

whatever chuck, go find your own fights if you wish to fight

I bet you will think twice about asking for the views of others! LOL

This thread is really fun to watch. Thanks for starting it... Just kiddin'

Have a great day!

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