Topic: Who is a real man!
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Thu 03/06/08 09:52 AM
Edited by DebbieJT on Thu 03/06/08 09:54 AM
sorry to butt in but in a way your both right, to follow the laws given shows integrity but there are times whwn a person might have to waver those laws to help, save or fight for something they believe in

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Thu 03/06/08 09:53 AM
Edited by davidben1 on Thu 03/06/08 09:55 AM

Are you on drugs?


perhaps a few would widen your mind a bit...there is nothing i am saying that is not on most television shows, in movie after movie.....you live by laws of good in your own mind, ideas of what makes a good person....i accept and only discuss what i believe.....you stoop to accusing of drugs and calling others convaluded and ignorant....so than who be the convaluded less it be one that accuse of such....if another can bring you to such a state of misery with words that you do not even have to read....damn, you would be sooooooooo hostile....obviously it is apparent to all what is in your secret heart....distain for anything that does not agree with you.....a sad place to live and where no happiness exists....a beer and a few wild nights is on order for the stressed out beautiful lady....and by the ****ing way....if you choose to insult others here send it to my email as a REAL women would do

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Thu 03/06/08 09:54 AM

A real man does not play by any set of rules. He knows whats right in his heart and does what is just and right no matter what the ramifications are upon himself.

Real integrity is better than abiding the law.


You do not have to break the law to maintain integrity, nor would it ever be acceptable. What integrity is... is to maintain your beliefs while being responsible and accountable. Not reckless. That means you do abide by two sets of rules, not the "none" you subscribe to. The rules of society, and the rules you set for yourself based on your sense of integrity.


Whoa, why are you assuming I am reckless & abide by "NONE" of the rules? You seem to be determined to pick a fight & I do not understand why. SOMETIMES you do need to break the rules! Examples, Rosa Parks & Thomas Jefferson.

I read your profile (very nice profile) you are obviously better educated than I am , somehow I think I am not communicating my thoughts in a way you "get". I don't want to assume, but it seems you think the law is absolutely right & unquestionable. In a court it is, because you can only use the law as a guideline, but in the real world is is not always right.
Oh I see something that may clear this up. The 1st part of the quote above is NOT MINE It was one I was replying to. I think I interpreted differently than you did.

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Thu 03/06/08 09:55 AM


A real man does not play by any set of rules. He knows whats right in his heart and does what is just and right no matter what the ramifications are upon himself.

Real integrity is better than abiding the law.


You do not have to break the law to maintain integrity, nor would it ever be acceptable. What integrity is... is to maintain your beliefs while being responsible and accountable. Not reckless. That means you do abide by two sets of rules, not the "none" you subscribe to. The rules of society, and the rules you set for yourself based on your sense of integrity.


anything that does not question laws will be ruled by tyrants.....many lawas were broken at the boston tea party....it is not laws that man is to follow, but rather a real man accepts the consequences of his actions.....this is to not live in fear of a law, but rather to know that they are all made by men and as we all know, NOTHING IS PERFECT....

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Thu 03/06/08 09:56 AM


A real man does not play by any set of rules. He knows whats right in his heart and does what is just and right no matter what the ramifications are upon himself.

Real integrity is better than abiding the law.


You do not have to break the law to maintain integrity, nor would it ever be acceptable. What integrity is... is to maintain your beliefs while being responsible and accountable. Not reckless. That means you do abide by two sets of rules, not the "none" you subscribe to. The rules of society, and the rules you set for yourself based on your sense of integrity.


anything that does not question laws will be ruled by tyrants.....many lawas were broken at the boston tea party....it is not laws that man is to follow, but rather a real man accepts the consequences of his actions.....this is to not live in fear of a law, but rather to know that they are all made by men and as we all know, NOTHING IS PERFECT....

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Thu 03/06/08 09:57 AM


A real man does not play by any set of rules. He knows whats right in his heart and does what is just and right no matter what the ramifications are upon himself.

Real integrity is better than abiding the law.


You do not have to break the law to maintain integrity, nor would it ever be acceptable. What integrity is... is to maintain your beliefs while being responsible and accountable. Not reckless. That means you do abide by two sets of rules, not the "none" you subscribe to. The rules of society, and the rules you set for yourself based on your sense of integrity.


Whoa, why are you assuming I am reckless & abide by "NONE" of the rules? You seem to be determined to pick a fight & I do not understand why. SOMETIMES you do need to break the rules! Examples, Rosa Parks & Thomas Jefferson.

I read your profile (very nice profile) you are obviously better educated than I am , somehow I think I am not communicating my thoughts in a way you "get". I don't want to assume, but it seems you think the law is absolutely right & unquestionable. In a court it is, because you can only use the law as a guideline, but in the real world is is not always right.
Oh I see something that may clear this up. The 1st part of the quote above is NOT MINE It was one I was replying to. I think I interpreted differently than you did.


thank you.....nothing made AMERICA BUT QUESTIONING WHAT FREEDOM WAS, AND THEN MANY WERE WILLING TO DIE TO BREAK THE RULES...each has to decide in the heart what IT is that they want MOST.....GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH WAS SOMETHING ONE THAT HAD COURAGE ONCE SAID

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Thu 03/06/08 09:58 AM
Sorry I am not very good with this machine.

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Thu 03/06/08 09:58 AM


A real man does not play by any set of rules. He knows whats right in his heart and does what is just and right no matter what the ramifications are upon himself.

Real integrity is better than abiding the law.


You do not have to break the law to maintain integrity, nor would it ever be acceptable. What integrity is... is to maintain your beliefs while being responsible and accountable. Not reckless. That means you do abide by two sets of rules, not the "none" you subscribe to. The rules of society, and the rules you set for yourself based on your sense of integrity.


Whoa, why are you assuming I am reckless & abide by "NONE" of the rules? You seem to be determined to pick a fight & I do not understand why. SOMETIMES you do need to break the rules! Examples, Rosa Parks & Thomas Jefferson.

I read your profile (very nice profile) you are obviously better educated than I am , somehow I think I am not communicating my thoughts in a way you "get". I don't want to assume, but it seems you think the law is absolutely right & unquestionable. In a court it is, because you can only use the law as a guideline, but in the real world is is not always right.
Oh I see something that may clear this up. The 1st part of the quote above is NOT MINE It was one I was replying to. I think I interpreted differently than you did.


Ahhh... That is the problem. Okay... I am understanding much better now. I did not assume anything about your education, (or look at your profile), I was just genuinely confused in that those two posts were in opposition to everything you said following. That is why I said waffling.

I agree in that we agree....finally. Sorry for the misunderstanding. laugh

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Thu 03/06/08 09:59 AM
David Ben I was trying to reply with a quote, but I am not very good at this. I was going to thank you, you express yourself far better than I & I agree with you.!

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Thu 03/06/08 10:00 AM

sorry to butt in but in a way your both right, to follow the laws given shows integrity but there are times whwn a person might have to waver those laws to help, save or fight for something they believe in



this is a public forum for pubic debate.....you have no need to apologize for anything.....obviously you are peacemaker, lol.....all have good intentions but good intentions many have had that killed another so good intentions are not enough, it must be truth that make all free

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Thu 03/06/08 10:02 AM
a real man does not have to explain why....He just is...

You'll know when you find him

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Thu 03/06/08 10:03 AM

David Ben I was trying to reply with a quote, but I am not very good at this. I was going to thank you, you express yourself far better than I & I agree with you.!


if you agree it is only becasue the truth is in each heart the same, so there is no credit to me but to you, for speaking and saying the truth....thanks anyhow my friend....my only wish be for happiness for all, and that i know from all of history never came by others trying to make others do what they thought was right, but rather for each to undersatnd the other, and this cannot be done without debate

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Thu 03/06/08 10:04 AM


sorry to butt in but in a way your both right, to follow the laws given shows integrity but there are times whwn a person might have to waver those laws to help, save or fight for something they believe in



this is a public forum for pubic debate.....you have no need to apologize for anything.....obviously you are peacemaker, lol.....all have good intentions but good intentions many have had that killed another so good intentions are not enough, it must be truth that make all free
i agree fighting for something you believe is important and that usually involves the truth threw that persons eyes but still it is important to follows laws too if they keep safty and well being at heart..and peacekeeper maybe but i try to see two sides unless its something i strongly believe in then i fight tooth and nail lol

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Thu 03/06/08 10:05 AM


Are you on drugs?


perhaps a few would widen your mind a bit...there is nothing i am saying that is not on most television shows, in movie after movie.....you live by laws of good in your own mind, ideas of what makes a good person....i accept and only discuss what i believe.....you stoop to accusing of drugs and calling others convaluded and ignorant....so than who be the convaluded less it be one that accuse of such....if another can bring you to such a state of misery with words that you do not even have to read....damn, you would be sooooooooo hostile....obviously it is apparent to all what is in your secret heart....distain for anything that does not agree with you.....a sad place to live and where no happiness exists....a beer and a few wild nights is on order for the stressed out beautiful lady....and by the ****ing way....if you choose to insult others here send it to my email as a REAL women would do


Relax.
She does have a point. Her point was in regards to your post, writing style. It is convoluted. I might add..confusing too. She did not say she agreed or disagreed. She just said she had a hard time trying to make sense of it.
She did not say you were convoluted or uneducated. You are taking things way too personal. How about just simply answering her question in regards to being under the influence and dismiss it as such? Just a question...

She is just trying to suggest you put a little more thought into what you are trying to say..so we don't have to.

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Thu 03/06/08 10:05 AM



A real man does not play by any set of rules. He knows whats right in his heart and does what is just and right no matter what the ramifications are upon himself.

Real integrity is better than abiding the law.


You do not have to break the law to maintain integrity, nor would it ever be acceptable. What integrity is... is to maintain your beliefs while being responsible and accountable. Not reckless. That means you do abide by two sets of rules, not the "none" you subscribe to. The rules of society, and the rules you set for yourself based on your sense of integrity.


Whoa, why are you assuming I am reckless & abide by "NONE" of the rules? You seem to be determined to pick a fight & I do not understand why. SOMETIMES you do need to break the rules! Examples, Rosa Parks & Thomas Jefferson.

I read your profile (very nice profile) you are obviously better educated than I am , somehow I think I am not communicating my thoughts in a way you "get". I don't want to assume, but it seems you think the law is absolutely right & unquestionable. In a court it is, because you can only use the law as a guideline, but in the real world is is not always right.
Oh I see something that may clear this up. The 1st part of the quote above is NOT MINE It was one I was replying to. I think I interpreted differently than you did.


Ahhh... That is the problem. Okay... I am understanding much better now. I did not assume anything about your education, (or look at your profile), I was just genuinely confused in that those two posts were in opposition to everything you said following. That is why I said waffling.

I agree in that we agree....finally. Sorry for the misunderstanding. laugh


I was wondering what the problem was, we don't agree perectly but we are pretty close. I fliped burgers & shoveled manure most of my life, my writing has suffered because I havn't used it. My daughter, however, is an editor for a major paper. I used to try for perfection with the grammer & punctuation, but as a result rarely actually posted anything. Now I am trying to worry less about the typing & just get my ideas across.

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Thu 03/06/08 10:06 AM
yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn


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Thu 03/06/08 10:07 AM
I am pretty sure I never crossed the line between debate & fight. I always try to be respectful.

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Thu 03/06/08 10:07 AM
anything that tell another they are wrong should have what it takes to show why

lilith401's photo
Thu 03/06/08 10:11 AM
I don't think I saw anyone in here, in these four pages.....tell anyone else they were wrong about anything.

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Thu 03/06/08 10:13 AM

anything that tell another they are wrong should have what it takes to show why


Huh?
Am I supposed to take the meaning of this to be:
Anyone who tells another they are wrong, should have what it takes to show them how.?

Do you see my point yet?