mad..I don't watch tv so I have no idea what your referring to...but you might want to read a book written by Saddam's former protocol chief "In the Shadow of Saddam" If you don't mind admitting your wrong you might even enjoy the book.

The secret Downing Street memo http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article387374.ece

I read it, where exactly does it say the Bush administration knew that Saddam had no WMD and decided to go to war anyways?

Guess it must be in hidden text only the enlightened ones like you can read.

The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article387374.ece

Exactly, where does it say that the Bush administration knew that Iraq/Saddam had no WMD and thus making it a complete lie as to why we went to war?

Either way Saddam needed to be removed, (he was CRAZY)its how that I question

mad...why do you post a link to counter something I suggested you read without even reading it? Do you have any idea what the contents of the book is or are you too scared to even consider that you could be wrong?

Some people just like "beating a dead horse."

Easier to set & complain about something, than to REALLY do something about the problem.

Just my OP on the world.

Sage it brings back fond memories of Gary, Gina and that ilk don't it. If they would just check back to about page 45 of this thread they would find all this stuff there and they could just post their comments instead of wasting their time posting a whole new thread but I think it is probably an assignement from the Political Science Professor

sorry I wont live in denial on this, ok lets think, they claimed iraq was working on Nukes and chemical and biological weapons and they even knew were they were so the downing street memo admits the case wa thin and in fact Libya and Korea and Iran were the bigger threats.again it was a trumpd up excuse to invade a soverign nation much like hitler invadeing Poland

Of course Bush already wanted to invade Iraq. They were already attempting terrorist attacks before his presidency. They attempted to bomb the WTC when Clinton was in office. This stuffs been going on for 20 years.

And how is it that the United States got to decide he needed to be removed?..oh wait, it was the US that put him in power to begin with, so yeah, I guess the master gets to decide when its time to put down the dog..

Except for the fact that poland didn't have a holy war against Germany and wasn't constantly attempting to attack their country.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.html


Attacks Suspected of or Inspired by al-Qaeda

* 2/1993: Bombing of World Trade Center; 6 killed.
* 10/1993: Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia.
* 1994: Investigation of the WTC bombing reveals that it was only a small part of a massive attack plan that included hijacking a plane and crashing it into CIA headquarters.
* 6/1996: Truck bomb explodes outside Khobar Towers military complex in Saudi Arabia; 19 American servicemen killed, hundreds of others injured.
* 8/1998: Bombing of U.S. embassies in East Africa; 224 killed including 12 Americans.
* 12/1999: Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S. Other Algerians subsequently arrested were "Afghan alumni."
* 12/1999: Jordanian police arrested members of a cell planning attacks against Western tourists.
* 10/2000: Bombing of the USS Cole in port in Yemen; 17 U.S. sailors killed.
* 9/11/2001: Destruction of WTC, attack on Pentagon.
* 4/11/2002: Explosion at ancient synogogue in Tunisia leaves 17 dead, including 11 German tourists.
* 5/2002: Car explodes outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
* 6/2002: Bomb explodes outside American Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
* 10/2002: Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, kill 202, mostly Australian citizens.
* 10/2002: Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, kills 16.
* 5/2003: Suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
* 5/2003: Four bombs kill 33 people, targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
* 8/2003: Suicide car bomb kills 12, injures 150, at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
* 11/2003: Explosions rock a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, housing compound killing 17.
* 11/2003: Suicide car bombers simultaneously attack two synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds. The following week a British bank in Istanbul is bombed.
* 3/2004: Ten terrorists bombs explode almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 202 and injuring more than 1,400. A Moroccan affiliate of al-Qaeda claims responsibility.
* 5/29–31/2004: Terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, then take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound. After a stand-off, three of the four assailants escape, leaving 22 people dead, all but three of them foreigners.
* 6/11–19/2004: Terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson, Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Nearly a week after his capture, photos of his body are posted on an Islamist website. Saudi security forces find and kill four suspected terrorists, including the self-proclaimed military leader of al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, after they are seen dumping a body.
* 12/6/2004: Militants, believed to be linked to Al-Qaeda, drive up to the U.S. consulate in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, storm the gates, and kill 5 consulate employees, none of whom were American. Saudi security forces subdue the attackers, killing four.
* 7/7/2005: Bombs exploded on 3 trains and a bus in London, England, killing 52.
* 10/1/2005: 22 killed by 3 suicide bombs in Bali, Indonesia.
* 11/9/2005: 57 killed at 3 American hotels in Amman, Jordan.
* 1/9/2006: Two suicide bombers carrying police badges blow themselves up near a celebration at the Police Academy in Baghdad, killing nearly 20 police officers. Al-Qaeda in Iraq takes responsibility.
* 8/10/2006: Police arrest 24 British-born Muslims, most of whom have ties to Pakistan, who had allegedly plotted to blow up as many as 10 planes using liquid explosives. Officials say details of the plan were similar to other schemes devised by al-Qaeda.
* 4/11/2007: Some 35 people are killed and hundreds are wounded when suicide bombers attack a government building in the capital, Algiers, and a police station on the outskirts of the capital. Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb claims responsibility for the attack.
* 4/12/2007: Eight people, including two Iraqi legislators, die when a suicide bomber strikes inside the Parliament building in Baghdad. An organization that includes al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia claims responsibility for the bold attack. In another attack, the Sarafiya Bridge that spans the Tigris River is destroyed.

and neither was Iraq WTF

were do you people come up with these things

Yup, sometimes thats true.

these things are called facts....which apparently you can't grasp...

please post a link to your facts

Sooooo, Al quaeda was a rough tough bunch and all but they were not centered in Iraq, had very little to do with Iraq and bin laden was never in Iraq soooooo we went Iraq for what???? Saddam was baby shrubs prime target, he cared not that bin laden was not there, he cared not that bin laden and crew where the perpetrators of the greatest crime on American soil, etc...

You have all been bamboozled and yet you defend the ridiculous informtion with the zeal of the religious defending a god.

Come off of it. Grow up. You have been fooled.