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SpaceCodet Joined Sat 07/27/19 Posts: 632	Sat 04/03/21 08:47 PM
https://youtu.be/ARPrg8TafjA

Acquired Taste Joined Thu 01/02/20 Posts: 421	Sun 04/04/21 05:46 AM
i tried joining the army a few times, they didn't like my attitude. the new fangled way, i watched the video....yes diversity is hitting the military, soon they will want generals out of every deal of society never mind who is better equipped...i knew with the advent of t-ball america was headed in a bad direction.

bobtail76 Joined Mon 02/10/14 Posts: 6935	Sun 04/04/21 01:32 PM
Doesn't surprise me. The US is making it easier for China and Russia to eat their lunch, by the day. I think it's more of a congress desire, than an army desire - because I can't see any troops wanting to fight alongside a lesser soldier, or an officer leading a weak battalion into a battle - not knowing the capabilities of their troops. Women are not lesser people, but apparently they make a lesser soldier - which was predicted when they allowed women to join in the first place. I don't understand how or why people think equity can be achieved. Equality is not only reasonable, but fair. Equity is a pipe dream. There's always going to be smarter, faster, stronger INDIVIDUALS that will out perform less talented people. Lowering standards will get more women promoted at a price of a shlttier army. What is the priority of the army, if not protection? Men know they are not created equal when it comes to physical things with other men, why would women think they are? I would sooner have Dwayne Johnson as a bodyguard than I would Mark Zuckerburg, but I'd sooner have Mark Zuckerburg as a bodyguard than Taylor Swift. How low do we want to lower this bar?

Blondey111 Joined Sun 01/27/13 Posts: 8885	Sun 04/04/21 02:00 PM
Doesn't surprise me. The US is making it easier for China and Russia to eat their lunch, by the day. I think it's more of a congress desire, than an army desire - because I can't see any troops wanting to fight alongside a lesser soldier, or an officer leading a weak battalion into a battle - not knowing the capabilities of their troops. Women are not lesser people, but apparently they make a lesser soldier - which was predicted when they allowed women to join in the first place. I don't understand how or why people think equity can be achieved. Equality is not only reasonable, but fair. Equity is a pipe dream. There's always going to be smarter, faster, stronger INDIVIDUALS that will out perform less talented people. Lowering standards will get more women promoted at a price of a shlttier army. What is the priority of the army, if not protection? Men know they are not created equal when it comes to physical things with other men, why would women think they are? I would sooner have Dwayne Johnson as a bodyguard than I would Mark Zuckerburg, but I'd sooner have Mark Zuckerburg as a bodyguard than Taylor Swift. How low do we want to lower this bar? stereotypical ******** .. Only threatened men would predict women make lesser soldiers women in fact are more than proving themselves in roles of leadership within the army .., Retired U.S. Army Gen. Ann E. Dunwoody became the first woman to reach a four-star officer rank in the history of the United States military in 2008. Dunwoody, who led Army Materiel Command before her retirement in 2012, remained a pioneer throughout her decades-long service. In 1992, she became the first woman to command a battalion in the 82nd Airborne Division during the First Gulf War, according to the Purple Heart Foundation. “I have never considered myself anything but a Soldier. I recognize that with this selection, some will view me as a trailblazer,” Dunwoody said on her promotion at the time. “But it’s important that we remember the generations of women, whose dedication, commitment and quality of service helped open the doors of opportunity for us today.” Gen. Dunwoody was a fourth-generational Army officer, and she released a book on leadership in 2015.

Acquired Taste Joined Thu 01/02/20 Posts: 421	Sun 04/04/21 02:12 PM
i wonder if Dunwoody is gay? Just another insecure man curious about such things.

bobtail76 Joined Mon 02/10/14 Posts: 6935	Sun 04/04/21 03:48 PM
Doesn't surprise me. The US is making it easier for China and Russia to eat their lunch, by the day. I think it's more of a congress desire, than an army desire - because I can't see any troops wanting to fight alongside a lesser soldier, or an officer leading a weak battalion into a battle - not knowing the capabilities of their troops. Women are not lesser people, but apparently they make a lesser soldier - which was predicted when they allowed women to join in the first place. I don't understand how or why people think equity can be achieved. Equality is not only reasonable, but fair. Equity is a pipe dream. There's always going to be smarter, faster, stronger INDIVIDUALS that will out perform less talented people. Lowering standards will get more women promoted at a price of a shlttier army. What is the priority of the army, if not protection? Men know they are not created equal when it comes to physical things with other men, why would women think they are? I would sooner have Dwayne Johnson as a bodyguard than I would Mark Zuckerburg, but I'd sooner have Mark Zuckerburg as a bodyguard than Taylor Swift. How low do we want to lower this bar? stereotypical ******** .. Only threatened men would predict women make lesser soldiers women in fact are more than proving themselves in roles of leadership within the army .., Retired U.S. Army Gen. Ann E. Dunwoody became the first woman to reach a four-star officer rank in the history of the United States military in 2008. Dunwoody, who led Army Materiel Command before her retirement in 2012, remained a pioneer throughout her decades-long service. In 1992, she became the first woman to command a battalion in the 82nd Airborne Division during the First Gulf War, according to the Purple Heart Foundation. “I have never considered myself anything but a Soldier. I recognize that with this selection, some will view me as a trailblazer,” Dunwoody said on her promotion at the time. “But it’s important that we remember the generations of women, whose dedication, commitment and quality of service helped open the doors of opportunity for us today.” Gen. Dunwoody was a fourth-generational Army officer, and she released a book on leadership in 2015. Threatened by what, exactly? I take no offense, mind you - I'm secure in who I am. It's the typical strategy to make accusations and deflect when you have no facts to argue with the valid point I made - backed up from the facts from the video. 65% failure of the fitness test for women and 10% for men. That indeed makes them lesser soldiers when the benchmark has been stated by the US army - or at least 65% of them. Did you even watch they video? It's not an opinion - it's a bloody fact. If a fitness test is a piece of what makes up a soldier, anyone who doesn't pass the fitness test, is indeed a lesser soldier. Your Dunwoody example is a stereotypical trope you can use in support of your argument. She is not obviously one of the 65% and to find one example of one hyper focused woman, when the discussion is about the average soldier, is disingenuous. I'm not denying she's not a great officer, nor am I saying women wouldn't make good officers. I'm saying that when a standard is put in place, and only 35% pass - I think it's safe to say that the other 65% are lesser - which was the part of the argument you focused on. My focus was, when it comes to safety, lives, and defense - you provide more security by betting on the physical, not the equitable.

Blondey111 Joined Sun 01/27/13 Posts: 8885	Sun 04/04/21 04:04 PM
My response has nothing to do with the video . I was responding to this comment .., “Women are not lesser people, but apparently they make a lesser soldier - which was predicted when they allowed women to join in the first place”. She is one of many women who have performed in an exemplary role in the army . I am sure the army have high standards for entry which includes non-discrimination on the basis of gender .

Acquired Taste Joined Thu 01/02/20 Posts: 421	Sun 04/04/21 05:50 PM
it's also possible god forbid but even in the army maybe, just maybe brains are better than brawns but that comes from an old fart....not to mention with all the armor and weaponry maybe brains and quickness are better than muscles and we need to rethink the armed forces? especially as technology becomes more and more a part of it...course i'm not a hawk by any means and i think we spend too much money on the military as it is...i wouldn't mind doing what some countries do, everyone has to do a year in the military after high school and them that likes stay in if they want...

Rock Joined Thu 10/09/08 Posts: 21249	Sun 04/04/21 06:54 PM
http://youtu.be/ARPrg8TafjA

bobtail76 Joined Mon 02/10/14 Posts: 6935	Sun 04/04/21 07:54 PM
My response has nothing to do with the video . I was responding to this comment .., “Women are not lesser people, but apparently they make a lesser soldier - which was predicted when they allowed women to join in the first place”. She is one of many women who have performed in an exemplary role in the army . I am sure the army have high standards for entry which includes non-discrimination on the basis of gender . I stand by what I said. Happy Easter!!

Blondey111 Joined Sun 01/27/13 Posts: 8885	Sun 04/04/21 08:02 PM
I suspect Dunwood's sucess was due in large part to NEPOTISM... a synonym for military. Wait until progressives push for equality for the disabled, "big" children, the illiterate, and the ever growing list of psychologically confused. They will, of course, need to make sure illegal immigrants do not fight for this country or participate in any kind of voilent activities. Immagine how infuriated and embarrased Americans will be, especially in the internet age, when a female military leader or better yet, a squad of squaws gets captured and assaulted by the enemy. Wait, we just need to expand the military rules of engagement to prohibit this kind of treatment and it will never happen, right? And we will need to modify the rules of negotiation to allow negtionating with terrorists if the captured person is female, disabled, child, mentally challeged, psychologically confused, and the list goes on and on. Clearly you have not heard of Jessica Lynch .. a 19 year old American woman captured whilst serving in Iraq in 2003 .. she was rescued and awarded the bronze star , Purple Heart and POW medals .

bobtail76 Joined Mon 02/10/14 Posts: 6935	Sun 04/04/21 08:04 PM
it's also possible god forbid but even in the army maybe, just maybe brains are better than brawns but that comes from an old fart....not to mention with all the armor and weaponry maybe brains and quickness are better than muscles and we need to rethink the armed forces? especially as technology becomes more and more a part of it...course i'm not a hawk by any means and i think we spend too much money on the military as it is...i wouldn't mind doing what some countries do, everyone has to do a year in the military after high school and them that likes stay in if they want... One EMP and we're back to square one. Then what? Not to mention all operations and missions where you need boots on the ground to prevent casualties. I believe you have a simplified view of what exactly the army does, and there is no rethinking necessary when it comes to equity. Equality is already there - hence the standard.

dust4fun Joined Thu 01/01/15 Posts: 681	Sun 04/04/21 08:24 PM
I suspect Dunwood's sucess was due in large part to NEPOTISM... a synonym for military. Wait until progressives push for equality for the disabled, "big" children, the illiterate, and the ever growing list of psychologically confused. They will, of course, need to make sure illegal immigrants do not fight for this country or participate in any kind of voilent activities. Immagine how infuriated and embarrased Americans will be, especially in the internet age, when a female military leader or better yet, a squad of squaws gets captured and assaulted by the enemy. Wait, we just need to expand the military rules of engagement to prohibit this kind of treatment and it will never happen, right? And we will need to modify the rules of negotiation to allow negtionating with terrorists if the captured person is female, disabled, child, mentally challeged, psychologically confused, and the list goes on and on. Clearly you have not heard of Jessica Lynch .. a 19 year old American woman captured whilst serving in Iraq in 2003 .. she was rescued and awarded the bronze star , Purple Heart and POW medals . I prefer my hero's don't get captured in the first place. Are we going to start seeing a bunch of 5'4" white guys in the NBA? Or are you going to have a straight guy plan your wedding? There is a reason stereotypes are created in the first place. How many females have been harassed or sexually assaulted in the military? There are plenty of jobs that women soldiers can do, and there are a lot of women already in the military. But most of these people entering the military are just kids and a structure has to be put in place for accountability and training of these people. As shown in the past you can't just mix whom ever you want together and expect good results.

jaish Joined Wed 03/20/19 Posts: 1383	Fri 04/16/21 06:25 PM
I suspect Dunwood's sucess was due in large part to NEPOTISM... a synonym for military. Wait until progressives push for equality for the disabled, "big" children, the illiterate, and the ever growing list of psychologically confused. They will, of course, need to make sure illegal immigrants do not fight for this country or participate in any kind of voilent activities. Immagine how infuriated and embarrased Americans will be, especially in the internet age, when a female military leader or better yet, a squad of squaws gets captured and assaulted by the enemy. Clearly you have not heard of Jessica Lynch .. a 19 year old American woman captured whilst serving in Iraq in 2003 .. she was rescued and awarded the bronze star , Purple Heart and POW medals . Jessica Lynch is another controversy altogether. She may have been used for (false) propaganda by the media but she was not used as shock propaganda by the enemy. I merely suggest women pose a unique opportunity to play on the heartstrings of their country. for the heartstrings bit.

Unknow Joined Sat 04/28/18 Posts: 1861	Sat 05/22/21 09:28 AM Edited by Unknow on Sat 05/22/21 09:31 AM
I reckon if some bad guys are ridin' up to Dick and Jane's place.. and Dick and Jane have two guns.. Dick will be shooting one... and Jane will be shooting the other one. It's not rocket science, people. (unless rockets are involved.. then, yah)