We often blame communism for deaths of around 25 million people in total in a century.

USSR is blamed for total 10 million deaths and peoples republic of china is blamed for 15 million deaths due to famine.


But what if we count total death due to capitalism since 300 years? I tried to do that and the total deaths came down to around 1 billion people.

And what's more shocking is at least 10 million people die every year in whole world under capitalist system even now.

In india alone, 1 million children die due to hunger and starvation every year. Is this a genocide? Can it be counted as genocide since governments in asia, Africa and south america are unable to provide healthcare and food to their population.

Holdomor(ukrainian famine) is often counted as genocide and Bengal famine(1939 by winston Churchill) is also counted as genocide. What's shocking is more people are dying of hunger every year than total amount of famine casualties in past. What are your thoughts?

Russia, China, India, eastern Europe are not capitalism systems

I think you do not know what capitalism means. By all definitions, whole world is capitalist except Cuba. Eastern europe got rid of socialism and adopted capitalism since 1991. Were you living under a rock?

Most economies are a combination of capitalism and socialism. In most of the western world, capitalism is the dominate economic force with a small amount of socialism. Where that line falls varies between countries with the US being more capitalistic and the EU less.

In all ways, capitalism is the best economic system for those willing to put out the effort to succeed in life. It also provides a reasonable level of support for those who are physically or mentally unable to provide for themselves. What it does not provide is a reasonable standard of living for those who should be capable of a successful life but are unwilling to put forth the effort. Those are the people capitalism throws away and allows to die. Not much loss there.

True socialism provides for all members of society at the same level but a lower level than capitalism would. For those who would otherwise be failures, this is an improvement in the standard of living they would have under capitalism. For those who would otherwise be successful in life, it is a reduction in their standard of living. Eventually, they will put out less effort and the socialist economy will suffer. Most countries, even the communist ones, have figured out that some level of capitalism is required to have a successful economy. When you destroy the incentive to work, people will no longer put out the effort.

Cite your sources please. This is a crock of crap. If you are so anti-American, then move someplace else! You can’t even tell me what happened 398 years ago in this country and why capitalism exists. Have you ever read the diaries of William Bradford? You weren’t even taught the history of this country properly in school so you are a biased anti-American.

Cite your sources please. This is a crock of crap. If you are so anti-American, then move someplace else! You can’t even tell me what happened 398 years ago in this country and why capitalism exists. Have you ever read the diaries of William Bradford? You weren’t even taught the history of this country properly in school so you are a biased anti-American.

Hey, back off. He didn't say even a single anti-American word, and you have no justification for your attack.

He pointed out that counting up deaths and blaming them on an economic system, simply because they occurred while that system was officially what the people were in, isn't valid. Or if it is, that the death count for capitalism is vastly higher than for socialism/communism, for the simple reason that capitalism has been around much longer, and has been in sway in the vast majority of countries across the globe.

You're lucky the moderators here don't knock people out for posting insults as you have.

I spot an American ultra-nationalist.


Quote me where did i ever mention the word American? America is irrelevant here. And I'm not an immigrant who lives in america, which you seem to hate so much.

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2018/10/17/nearly-half-the-world-lives-on-less-than-550-a-day

Theres some sources. I don't view all Americans as ignorant but you seem to be the ones who make this image of Americans.

Capitalism did not begin in america. America is out of question here. Capitalism existed after feudalism ended in europe by 17th century. Feudalism evolved to capitalism. And it spread throughout globe generating more poverty.

However its true USA fought for capitalism. And I'm not against American country. There is a movement in usa called Antifa. They're against capitalism. It doesn't mean they're against America.

https://eand.co/if-communism-killed-millions-how-many-did-capitalism-kill-2b24ab1c0df7

Heres more sources.

Hey, back off. He didn't say even a single anti-American word, and you have no justification for your attack.



Oh get off it. Blazes' source is a professor at Harvard. A useless toad that wouldn't get past a shift manager at a burger joint if he had to work in the real world.

This is a very good reasonable argument. But flaws of capitalism still exist. It creates an unequal platform for people to build success and that is why poverty still exist. if poverty disappears the capitalist system won't work. It requires a working class at lowest wage to run the economy. 95% of profit generated by working class is gone to the bourgeois who own the means of production like factories, companies and farms. Not everyone can own their own factory and company. it requires investment from savings. Only around 5% people of world can do that. Not because other people are incompetent because but they have accumulated alot of wealth through interests and investment which they began by hierarchy. A person born poor cannot find success under this system no matter how hard he works under someone as an employee because his value of labor will be looted always. Moreover poor people cannot afford Education in colleges , that contributes to their low level of success. In most countries, healthcare and education is a business when it should be free by the state because its the basic thing to uplift a civilisation. That is why rich become richer and poor people become poorer. Capitalism only seek profit for the 2% population of world, the rest are pawns used to generate that profit. It doesn't care about welfare of society. If you talk about welfare states like Norway, they're capitalist yet they nationalised the oil company and all profit generated by oil company was allocated to welfare projects like healthcare, education, infrastructure and basic income. This is a welfare state not completely socialist. If the world can move towards social democracy like Norway it would be best.

Funny stuff. Just what has Norway contributed to the world? Nada. And tell me how many people do those 2% employ? How much taxes are collected as the result of those employed? Bottom line is capitalism works for those that WANT TO WORK. It doesn't work for people just wanting a hand out or malcontents that just want to run their mouths.

employing other people is not a work, its investment in a firm and interest. That's no work and enjoy life on others labor.

Those 2% have employed only 1/6th population of the world. The rest are dying and barely makes end meet by sniffing trash buns. Under socialism, every man and woman is put to work and employment is guaranteed by state because every work contributes to society and every work has a value to it. Class does not exist in this society since its irrelevant.

If you want to give credit and worship those 2% for giving employment to 1/6th of total population after looting them then you've no hope.

Bottom line-
Capitalism works for people who DO NOT WANT TO WORK and those who live off labor of 98% of people and keep these majority of people oppressed. Capitalism is for lazy people who have dreams of being millionaires oppressing people under them. Funny thing is these people buy this **** they actually believe everyone can be a millionaire and own business. Then reality strikes them even if 60% people own businesses, then who will work under them? Makes me laugh

Capitalism is a system where you're thrown into cage with 100 men. You're told to fight to death And only 2 of them have to survive. Its kill or be killed. Its survival of fittest under capitalism.

Humans are not wild animals who are barbaric to survive by killing off each other. Humans are social beings which evolved to form societies and labor together and achieve great heights. The so called survival of fittest doctrine is of fascism which is capitalism in decay.

Greed is what keeps capitalism from working it's best. And because people are greedy, every economic system will have be effected. If not for greed, every ecoomic system would work perfectly, in theory, in my opinion.

Thank you for your reply.
Can you explain how greed keeps capitalism from working its best?

Capitalists claim totally opposite of what you claim. They say that greed actually is the one that makes people work under a capitalist system. They claim without greed humans cannot work enough and they will be lazy and whole planet would fail.

I'm interested to know how greed keeps capitalism from working its best, then? Greed is a bait used by bourgeois to make men work their best. When in fact, studies proves that a human works best only when he works for his passion and the work he loves doing. That is his/her best shot. Greed proves to make men lose their lives working off whole days without happiness. Some even quit their jobs and get to depression out of overworking for greed. In the end a perfect man finds happiness only in the labor(job) he loves.


My colleague has a well paying job. He gets all facilities and he manages to be upper middle class. He works 10 hours a day and gets extra amount of pay for his work. In just one year, he feels isolated he doesn't get enough sleep. He has no time for family. He has no time for himself. His whole life is workaholic. That's the image of a greedy man in capitalist society.

Your colleague has choices, he can put a bullet in his head, he can go find another job, he can start his own business, or he can lay around n do nothing and be a burden on society. What one considers a workaholic may not be the same as someone else. Maybe he doesn't have what it takes to be upper middle class and should settle for just regular middle class. That's where the "greed" part starts to take effect. Anyone who has the hustle and wants to be their own boss or even have people work for them they can with enough effort. My saying has always been the best way to make money is have someone else do it for you. Greed is what drives people therefore greed is good even if that greed is just to do a little better than your neighbor.

Hustle is:



Noted!

ROFLMAO. If you run your numbers about 5 billion people " are dying and barely makes end meet by sniffing trash buns " Sorry friend you are pulling numbers/facts out of your posterior. No point in addressing the rest of your crap. Your system has failed every time it's been tried. Ever heard of Venezuela? The Soviet Union> Maos' China? Have a nice life comrade,

Greed is an evolutionary trait. It was not always among humans. Greed developed somewhere around 10,000 years ago when civilisations started forming and when class was born. When humans didn't have something they desired, greed was born. All the social evils like Robery, theft, rape, murders, money extortion etc were born at some point in our history. We divided society and created class to accumulate resources for ourselves even when the earth had more than enough resources to produce products desired for everyone. The trait of greed gave rise to hatred, jealousy and violence.

After civilisations were formed, a group of men from tribe came and said they own all resources (literally everything like land, gold, coal etc) because the god said so and god wants them to rule. So the first king was born and then to make his wealth only in his family he claimed that only his generations must rule always and if they don't then god would judge them and pass judgement on all. People were scared and they complied and hence began the HISTORY OF CLASS STRUGGLE.

after people were done with kings because of constant looting of common people by priests, noble families, generals and supreme king. Then people formed a revolution to overthrow most kings of world. feudalism was born. Welcome feudalism. now feudal lords ruled pieces of lands and enjoyed the fruits of labor of all men. While almost all population withered and died in poverty. This was to change again, with help of industrial revolution, republics came into existence. People got so tensed and they developed national thought. They developed criticism. The power of criticism made them overthrow feudal lords and make a republic by 17 century. but even within republic where presidents were chosen by votes the elite ruling class actually makes the laws and influences everything from economy to governance. These people accumulated wealth tremendously and gave concessions to people to make them haul revolutions. But this would not stop us. We rose and people started to want more freedom. They wanted to abolish state itself and work their passion and get whatever they need in society. They wanted a freeist society where your labor contributes to society as much as any others. A society where class doesn't exist. A society where MONEY DOES NOT EXIST. A society where a janitor with her labor contributes to society as much as a scientist. A society where woman are no longer in kitchen or abused. A society where equality, freedom to work your passion and live with dignity was to form. A society where you work 7 hours/day and in return you get literally whatever you need be it a car, house. Social evils does not exist in such because everyone's needs are met.
This is the story of history of class struggle.


In today's world, around 3 billion people work out of 8 billion. In an anarchist or communist society 6 billion people work(all who are in age) and production is tremendously high to meet the needs of people. Who decides the Need? You and me. There is no government here. Just a system of AI which controls the means of production such as Factories and companies. This AI will allocate resources like wood, coal, oil etc to get maximum production. People take social audits in such system to ask for their needs.