The best way to make money is, To abolish money.

USSR, China , Cuba are socialist, not communist, comrade.

All 3 countries have introduced capitalistic policies into their economies as pure socialism was failing. The truth is that when the government provides a job for everyone, the performance of the people doing those jobs is sub-par and the results inadequate. When there are no consequences to inadequate performance, that will be the level of competency you will receive.

I can start with my understandng of capitalism and greed.

First, capitalism:an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.


Now greed: intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.

According to pew research, a little over ten percent of the workforce are peopke working for themselves, which means almost 90 percent of he workforce are someone's employee.

Now, in order for self employed to compete with the employers who have so much manpower divided amongst so many, they have to work pretty hard, and that is understandable. But the other 90 percent are at the mercy of greed, in terms of how MUCH profit the employer wants to make. To make this profit, employers are often seeking to pay as little as they can get away with, and charge as much as they can get away with. This leaves products and services that are more and more out of reach for those employees that are making pittance. The balance does not work when the approach is motivated by self promotion instead of a community uplift approach. That is what I mean when I say if not for greed, the system works fine. If the approach was less about more and more profit, and more about balancing cost of living with the wages paid, it would work perfectly.

Agree completely.

IT is like any relationship. Inadequate performance can be the percpetion of either party (employer and empoyee). A relation works when BOTH parties consider the NEEDS of the other, and not just themselves. When there is not greed, that is more likely to happen.

We have seen many examples of excessive greed on both sides. Unions that have wanted more than an employer could provide and the company goes bankrupt. We have seen businesses get to greedy and either competition ate them up or their employees move to better jobs. End result, they go out of business. There has to be a balance where the company prospers and all share those benefits. Without that, there is only business failures and jobs lost.

@Mshormany- I agree with you almost on all points and i think we all mean same thing. Capitalism works on concept of seeking profit. As long as you seek profit there will be exploitation of labor and oppression by bourgeois class over the working class. Karl Marx, in his scientific theory of value of labor explained this very well. As long as private property exists and money exists there will be exploitation of labor and also alienation of labor even. Friedrich engels further deduce that. What they sell us is that abolishing private property would be like abolishing your right to own a tooth brush or a car of your choice. That's absurd. Trolls often claim that.


What happens is western world is that it has reformed capitalism due to fear of global revolutions occurring in 20th century. Social programs were introduced and workers unions were formed which asked for minimum wages to live off. The world moved from market capitalism to welfare states. Healthcare, education and housing were provided for the work done by a citizen. At least E.U and former soviet union is a welfare state and canada too. But exploitation didn't end. Laws were made in welfare states to end exploitation but in many countries of africa, south america and asia there is no protection from oppression of bourgeois. That is why google, Microsoft, amazon move towards third world country to get cheap labor and steal the value of labor from an African kids working in a coal mines. The same person if worked in germany would get way more wage. The majority people of world have no choice but to work on lowest wages and survive. Like a person in this thread said "your friend can just starve or die if he complains about working conditions or if he complains about low wages at high working hours". That's basically either you keep quiet and deal with it or you're "FREE" to quit and just die of starvation. No wonder why Okhtober revolution of 1917 occured. Capitalist system even encourages greed in people. It forces you to be greedy and make you want to be a part of a specific class so that you'll never be oppressed in future. Capitalists aren't to be blamed actually they're themsleves a victim of capitalism. They cannot end the cycle.

Lets forget self employed people, even big firms cannot compete with each other for more than few years. 90% of startups fail. They're forced to close the firms because of lack of investment or tough competition. Business model is something which is less of a factor.

Sources- https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilpatel/2015/01/16/90-of-startups-will-fail-heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-10/

Good sir,

I respectfully disagree. I have had experienced pieces of soviet culture and the reality in russia.

Only China has merged socialism with capitalism and it achieved pretty good results but there is a rough dark patch on the Chinese opening of its economy. The inequality in china is still considerable. China basically adopted NEP(New economic policy) formulated by Vladimir Lenin for USSR in 1921. It was to generate growth until the country is fully industrialised and then true socialism was to be adopted. Chinese communist party openly stated that they have always been marxist and they are on path to socialism.


Now, about USSR it was truly socialist country. Unlike china, the soviets industrialised the country in just 20 years in 1920-1940. They eliminated illiteracy and in 1960 USSR had more calories intake per capita than USA. USSR had eliminated the problem of homelessness by 1960's. each citizen was given a house with his/her family. And if you aren't married you were given room under state funded houses. Also, around 60% of soviet citizens held a college degree thanks to the free education and the extra income provided by soviet government to attend colleges. Comparing to USA soviets were ahead in education.

https://www.rbth.com/history/328721-education-in-ussr-the-best

People in USSR didn't work lazy and they didn't worked for profit. The people of USSR owned all assets collectively and the profit generated was given to people based on amount of hours they worked. A scientist and a coal mine worker had different wages, yes but the difference wasn't too huge to make them both have different class. The USSR was a space superpower which managed to defeat USA In space race. the moon race was won by usa.


Most achievements were by USSR like first probe on venus and mars and moon. the first robotic lander on any other planet. The first rover on moon. The first space station ever built was from USSR and its name was mir. The idea about people under socialism not working much is a piece of propaganda which never dies.

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