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Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/21/08 08:33 AM
The war part, disagreements and arguements over religion is truly sad... but a part of life since time on earth in the flesh began pretty much. Everyone has their own opinions about everything. 10 people out of 100 in the same forum can't even agree usually. Most forums here wind up into name calling brawls... Too many try to force their opinions on to others or get well "imageorgiagirl" religious belief is just like having sex and babies..the more you can get into the belief the more the belief will be fruitful and multiply

cuppy59 Joined Fri 12/07/07 Posts: 17536	Mon 01/21/08 09:19 AM
Love is divine and divine is the lord.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/21/08 09:36 AM
Love is divine and divine is the lord. love is a concept that doesn't exist beyond the mind ..so is the lord a concept that doesn't exist beyond the mind

cuppy59 Joined Fri 12/07/07 Posts: 17536	Mon 01/21/08 09:39 AM
Love is divine and divine is the lord. love is a concept that doesn't exist beyond the mind ..so is the lord a concept that doesn't exist beyond the mind ooohhhh I don't get made I have a smile for u and everyone on this topic. Can't hear anything but good. Make friends not enemies. my motto, never will change. goodbye for now.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/21/08 09:43 AM
this thread is about questions that the religious will just close their minds to and refuse to answer or just afraid to answer because it will question their suppose faith or question that they just can't answer rationally ..here's the first one according to believers logic, God had to have created the universe because the universe couldn't have popped out of nothingness and create itself .....so therefore do the same logic apply to the creator if the answer is no then could you explain why with a rational explanation How did the eye evolve? How did blood clotting evolve? Two very simple questions that obliterate the theory of evolution. Not assuming or saying that you believe in it, but here you are raising questions on subjects no human being has the intelligence to understand- "how can their be a Being that has all ways been???" its the whole chicken & the egg story. Imagine trying to explain the human circulatory system to an ANT. Imagine trying to explain the human lymphatic system to your DOG. We dont even know our OWN BRAINS properly. Yet we ask questions like this. All this is, is an excuse. Every anti-creation is just a pitiful attempt to find a REASON why they dont need to abide under Him. the Original Question made no reference to evolution or who created the circulatory and/or the lymphatic system or why eyes clot it doesn't even disputed that a God created the universe ...the Original Question asks if your answer to it is "no" to then explain rationally why

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/21/08 09:45 AM
Love is divine and divine is the lord. love is a concept that doesn't exist beyond the mind ..so is the lord a concept that doesn't exist beyond the mind ooohhhh I don't get made I have a smile for u and everyone on this topic. Can't hear anything but good. Make friends not enemies. my motto, never will change. goodbye for now. ok "cuppy" talk to you later...and thanks for the smile

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/21/08 09:52 AM
Applause, funches. I will even curtsy for that masterful spin of another's comments to suit your purpose: clearly a case of delusion and yes, I'll even agree you do have a valid point. clearly a case of contradiction Untamed, without the evolution (growth) of thought that naturally and normally occurs from childhood to adult life, you would not have the thought processes you have to even participate in a forum. clearly a case of influence Then again, I am a heathen, so what could I possibly know? clearly a case of low self-esteem .. fear not for I shall help thee my child

Differentkindofwench Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 5960	Mon 01/21/08 10:00 AM
Mon 01/21/08 09:52 AM QUOTE: Applause, funches. I will even curtsy for that masterful spin of another's comments to suit your purpose: clearly a case of delusion QUOTE: and yes, I'll even agree you do have a valid point. clearly a case of contradiction QUOTE: Untamed, without the evolution (growth) of thought that naturally and normally occurs from childhood to adult life, you would not have the thought processes you have to even participate in a forum. clearly a case of influence QUOTE: Then again, I am a heathen, so what could I possibly know? clearly a case of low self-esteem .. fear not for I shall help thee my child Clearly a bastardization of my post.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/21/08 12:27 PM
Clearly a bastardization of my post. bastardization? ...it falls more in the line of Literary criticism

Untamed Joined Sat 01/05/08 Posts: 126	Mon 01/21/08 05:48 PM
You explanation of the evolution of the eye is completely flawed. According to the fundamental principle of evolution; mutations, we came from simple to more complex. Now, if you have NO blood clotting system and you cut yourself; you bleed to death. So if we "evolved" to get more and more complex; tell me how did the lifeforms evolve to create the ability of blood clotting? if in order to DO this, you need to experience it right? no experience = no call to evolve into a superior species right? but if you dont have a blood clot system and you get cut, you bleed to death. Remind me, can you evolve into a stronger, fitter lifeform if you are dead? The eye "The eye is a extremely complex organ. It has the complicated system whereby light is directed to the back of the eye on to cells which are sensitive to it; it also has that even more intricate arrangement whereby the information then travels to the visual part of the brain so that we actually see someting. ... All the specialized and complex cells that make up our eyes are supposed to have evolved because of advantageous mutations in some more simple cells that were before. But what use is a hole in the front of the eye to allow light to pass through, if there are no cells at the back of the eye to recieve light? what use is a lens forming an image if there is no nervous system to interpret that image? How could a visual nervous system have evolved before there was an eye to give it infomation?" - taken from Bone of contention; Is evolution true? (by Sylvia Baker) (my emphasis) Im sorry toastedoranges, but you havent even got a missing link to stand on. the theory of evolution requires FAR MORE FAITH than any religion. THAT is JUST how unlikely it is. man, you're quite rabid. have you not learned of darwin and the finch? how the bird could change from generation to generation depending on the seeds that were deposited? "mutations" occur because they're needed. because without them the species would die out. it really doesn't take faith to see what is clearly in front of your eyes. here ya go http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html OK, so therefore by your logic/teaching of mutations male pattern baldness is a mutation? How is baldness NEEDED? What is causing this call to Change to be BALD? How will humans benefit from this? WHY are we "evolving" to have this trait? Seriously, you think religious people follow blindly! You believe in evolution yet you dont even know the principles behind it! haha, and dont try claim that you DO, because that in itself proves you dont: if you know what evolution requires; by believing it makes you either SO stubborn or just dumb because believing in evolution is like believing in spontaneous generation (which was taught to the same level of intensity back when it was "fact" (like "evolution")). Spontaneous generation was disproved by Redi in the 17th cent by simply covering meat so that flies couldnt touch it; no eggs; no worms; no spontaneous generation.

Untamed Joined Sat 01/05/08 Posts: 126	Mon 01/21/08 05:50 PM
Mon 01/21/08 09:52 AM Untamed, without the evolution (growth) of thought that naturally and normally occurs from childhood to adult life, you would not have the thought processes you have to even participate in a forum. clearly a case of influence It seems that you and I are talking about a completely different theory of evolution. Nuture (not nature) is what determines what we turn out like. not evolution. Do you not know that evolution takes "millions of years"? Your statement alone contradicts the theory.

toastedoranges Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 11042	Mon 01/21/08 05:56 PM
i'll ask again...are you ignorant of darwin and the finch? evolution does not take millions of years

Untamed Joined Sat 01/05/08 Posts: 126	Mon 01/21/08 06:41 PM
i'll ask again...are you ignorant of darwin and the finch? evolution does not take millions of years No; Bone of Contention outlines this. If you read about Gregor Mendals experiement which is ALSO outlined in the book you'll see what Darwin saw was NOT evolution.

voileazur Joined Sun 03/11/07 Posts: 2140	Mon 01/21/08 07:07 PM
i'll ask again...are you ignorant of darwin and the finch? evolution does not take millions of years No; Bone of Contention outlines this. If you read about Gregor Mendals experiement which is ALSO outlined in the book you'll see what Darwin saw was NOT evolution. About 'Bones of Contention', I don't think you should spread the news of the 'findings' of this book. It is not very credible, and doesn't help in forwarding your crusade. Review: Bones of Contention The book Bones of Contention, by Marvin Lubenow (1992), is considered by many creationists to be the definitive creationist treatment of the claimed evidence for human evolution. To his credit, Lubenow has read a large amount of the scientific literature on human evolution, and his book stands up well compared to the gross incompetence of other creationist authors such as Duane Gish and Malcolm Bowden who have written on the same topic. By any other standards, THE BOOK FAILS BADLY AND WILL NOT CONVINCE ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH THE DETAILS OFTHE LITERATURE ON HUMAN EVOLUTION. Read the whole review and then some... http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_lubenow.html

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/22/08 09:16 AM
Do you not know that evolution takes "millions of years"? ..er.."UnTamed"...if believers claim that God have given people "Free Will" and faith then they must also support "the theory of evolution" and vise versa evolution faith and "Free Will" all relies upon the species or person to induced their minds to either make a decision alter reality or in the case of faith to induce something to be truth just by believing it is ...or in the case of evolution when a thought or continuing thoughts can induce the body to alter itself in order to adapt to it's enviroment so evolution faith and free will all relies upon altering reality with a single thought,..just like a God...so you can't believe in "Free Will" and faith then dimiss "The Theory of Evolution" or vise versa

feralcatlady Joined Mon 10/08/07 Posts: 35491	Tue 01/22/08 09:30 AM
Faith and free will are not the same thing. Knowing something in your heart and soul without any proof = faith Making decisions and knowing you are making wrong ones = freewill You are given freewill by God to choose to believe in him. But the faith comes when in your life HE (GOD) shows you that he is. Funches said: evolution faith and "Free Will" all relies upon the species or person to induced their minds to either make a decision alter reality or in the case of faith to induce something to be truth just by believing it is ...or in the case of evolution when a thought or continuing thoughts can induce the body to alter itself in order to adapt to it's enviroment Debbie says: I believe this 100% with one exception. I believe that man over time has altered himself in order to adapt to his environment. What I don't and won't ever believe is that a speck of dust fell to the earth, turned into a tadpole, crawled out and turned into a monkey, the an ape then me.....no way no how. I have never seen in science where one species turns into a complete new species....never has never will. So in this sense, I do dismiss the "Theory of Evolution as just that....A THEORY that is just no so

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/22/08 09:50 AM Edited by funches on Tue 01/22/08 09:50 AM
Faith and free will are not the same thing. Knowing something in your heart and soul without any proof = faith knowing samething without proof is called assumption ..faith is gambling that an assumption is true Making decisions and knowing you are making wrong ones = freewill making wrong decisions is called mistakes and falls under "Free Choice" not "Free Will" .."Free Will" is making wrong decisions without any consequences taking place for making them You are given freewill by God to choose to believe in him. that's called "Free Choice" which means no choice because if you make the wrong choice God will burn you in hell But the faith comes when in your life HE (GOD) shows you that he is. you only need faith when there is doubt..because you doubt there is a God is why you need faith

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/22/08 09:56 AM
Debbie says: I believe this 100% with one exception. I believe that man over time has altered himself in order to adapt to his environment. What I don't and won't ever believe is that a speck of dust fell to the earth, turned into a tadpole, crawled out and turned into a monkey, the an ape then me.....no way no how. I have never seen in science where one species turns into a complete new species....never has never will. ahh feralcatlady so if you don't believe something can be created out of nothing then that logic should also apply to a God ...which means gong by your logic even God has a creator

feralcatlady Joined Mon 10/08/07 Posts: 35491	Tue 01/22/08 10:05 AM
Debbie says: I believe this 100% with one exception. I believe that man over time has altered himself in order to adapt to his environment. What I don't and won't ever believe is that a speck of dust fell to the earth, turned into a tadpole, crawled out and turned into a monkey, the an ape then me.....no way no how. I have never seen in science where one species turns into a complete new species....never has never will. ahh feralcatlady so if you don't believe something can be created out of nothing then that logic should also apply to a God ...which means gong by your logic even God has a creator I didn't say that you did my sweet funch. I believe as far as God that he is the beginning and through him, not only the planets, stars, all of the universe was created. For me, myself and I...as I can only speak for myself.....God did not have a creator.....HE IS THE CREATOR and everything was created from nothing by him.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/22/08 10:28 AM
Debbie says: I believe this 100% with one exception. I believe that man over time has altered himself in order to adapt to his environment. What I don't and won't ever believe is that a speck of dust fell to the earth, turned into a tadpole, crawled out and turned into a monkey, the an ape then me.....no way no how. I have never seen in science where one species turns into a complete new species....never has never will. ahh feralcatlady so if you don't believe something can be created out of nothing then that logic should also apply to a God ...which means gong by your logic even God has a creator I didn't say that you did my sweet funch. I believe as far as God that he is the beginning and through him, not only the planets, stars, all of the universe was created. For me, myself and I...as I can only speak for myself.....God did not have a creator.....HE IS THE CREATOR and everything was created from nothing by him. sorry feralcatlady..you have just now contradicted yourself and your belief...first you say spontaneous generation is impossible then you say it is possible when pertaining to your belief ..you just denied your own logic blinked and showed doubt ...