The answer is that we can never add up to salvation through works because God requires perfection, which we ourselves could never attain or acheive. Hence, that is why God had to enter into flesh to redeem 'that' flesh through His power. Don't you see the love in that? Imagine 'you' becoming an ant in order to save them. I doubt you'd want to. But tht's the sort of massive scale we are talking.

And making Jesus LORD is not a burden at all. The greatest of all is a servant to all. Everything He does in our hearts and Lording or watching over us is actually Him serving US. THAT is the kind of loving parent?friend relationship he soooo desires with us.

Thus sayeth Paulianity.

No, it's personal experience. Of course Paul will give me "PROPS" on this cuz he knew what's up too.

A little about Paul:

Saul of Tarsus (Paul) was a self proclaimed Apostle, claiming to be appointed directly by God rather than through Jesus or any of his Apostles.

Simon Peter (nor any other Apostle) ever endorsed Paul as an apostle with the required laying on of hands.
There is no indication that Simon Peter even knew that Paul existed.
[An Apostle is one who directly witnessed and followed Jesus, sent forth to preach the word of God.]

The Gospels are oddly silent concerning this Judaeo-Roman-Pharisee. His letter to the Galatians suggests that Paul specifically avoided the Apostles so that he could capitalize on the magical and divine regarding the crucifixion and purported resurrection of Jesus in order to create his own following.

Saul of Tarsus (Paul), of the Pauline Cult argued that it is not necessary to follow Judaic tradition. This likely represents the beginning of the schism between Eastern and Western Messianic orthodoxy. It is noteworthy that the Messianic Essenes Dead Sea Scrolls prophesies that the Messiah will not turn aside from the Commandments of the Holy Ones. The actions of Paul clearly violate this prophesy.

Saul of Tarsus (Paul), began preaching in the synagogues at Damascus that Joshua (Jesus) is the Son of God and it is said that the people were amazed. (The amazement is due to the fact that Saul is considered to be a Roman who deserted his Pharisee faith and is now considered to be of the darkness)

The Pauline Cult would evolve into the Roman Catholic Cult having no direct affiliation with the Christian Sects of Simon Peter. It is noteworthy that Flavius Josephus made no mention of Paul.

Stop TRYING to kill the Bible, it's futile. You can sit and convince yourself with stupid ideas all day, but as far as my Spirit goes..........well.......




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Seriously.....you guys enjoy wasting your time? God let's the word endure for 2000 years strong and you think your petty skewed observations even compare. .....



















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Mission accomplished Nuenjins...When I read this, I cried, and asked for God's help to open your eyes & mind. I hope he's in a "miracle" mood.

Not MY mind my friend, but YOUR heart.

Open heart + closed eyes + closed mind = Accident Victim

Healed back+ phrophet+ phrophecy fullfilled= you're so dead wrong.

Delving in things you don't understand.

I must say Funches, I am totally amazed at how many people genuinely can’t comprehend the question you’re asking. This is phenomenal.

All they do is come out swinging in a defensive posture to defend a religious view that isn’t even being attacked.

I can’t believe this thread. It’s hilarious!

Oh by the way, I haven't read the whole entire thread.

Has anyone even understood the question yet?

Have you had any responses from anyone who even remotely sounded like they actually understood the question?

It was answered right off the bat dude. You just can't be intellectually satisfied because you have limited comprehension skills as a human being. Until you learn to let go of that strangle hold no one can ever tell you anything. you just bat it all away 'cuz it's not what you wanted to hear.

Oh well, we keep tryin on ya anyhow.

The problem is that he is basically asking "Where did God come from?" by structuring his question the way he did. The question presumes a certain belief structure, and I'm sure that many more capable minds than ours have struggled with this question (among many others) since the dawn of time. It ends up being similar to asking someone, "Have you ever ###### a sheep that you didn't like?".

So in other words, the answer is No.

I think we all knew that from the get go including Funches.

So how come the thread is still going after 39 pages since we already know that the answer to Funches question is,... No, no one can give a rational explanation.

It appears that people are still attempting to 'defend' SOMETHING.

Well he structured his question the way he did because he wanted an answer to the way he structured it.

It appears that the answer to HIS question, the way he structured it, is simply, “NO”.

Period.

That’s all he asked.

It took 39 pages for people to say, “No, they don’t have a rational explanation”

Or are they still in denial that this is the answer to HIS question?

The simplest answer is that we aren't equipped to understand these great mysteries and so must accept certain things based on our faith. You can't explain the unexplainable. I don't think we can really define God using our simple terms.

I think defining God without sounding delusional is another thread. Actually Poet asked "Where did God come from?" months ago. Apparently with the simpler statement, it was a much simpler thread.

..er...sorry "iamageorgiagirl" but if the answer is yes then you just agreed that the creator has a creator ..er....sorry

salvation does not come through works and all through grace......Jesus Christ did the hard part....whatever could we possible do to compare to what he did for us.....As Jesus Christ told his disciples to go out and make fishers of men, I do think this also applies to us. It is written that every man, woman and child of this planet will know God's name, before Christ comes back. I know through ministries in Mexico, India, and other third world countries that the word of the Lord and of His Son Jesus Christ are changing lives on a daily basis. If people want to close their eyes to what it is......Thats ok......If people want to feel that they have all the answers then thats ok too......If they want to believe that God is nothing, and Christ is just a fable, and the Bible is just a book of fables, their choice. But those of us who walk the walk, and live as we know God and Jesus Christ intended us to......have that right also. And that my friends is just the way it is.......

No....God just is. Same as when I was younger; I never questioned how and why I came to be. I just was. I am...and will always be. In some small way I have touched the universe for all time.

My family wasn't proven to me. It was faith that they were in fact my family.

To tell you the truth; I do not care if God is ever proven to be the "all mighty" creator of us all. All things. Or not. (I mean without the rapture in Revelations), but by science or whatever.

To me; God just is. Has to be. Nothing comes from nothing.

Tribes, people, were created to be different.

Tribes and people were brought together to learn and become knowledge. To create change and live in harmony.

Has anyone seen the coming together of "interfaith" religions?
It is many such different religions coming together to discuss and learn the differences and commonalities of their beliefs.

Religion is a mind belief as of now. Another words; when we get religion away from the mind and into the hearts. When that changes to become of the heart; I believe we will see a better conduct of religions. Hense; the beginning of the end of wars in the "name of"?

One religion?? Where have I heard that?

Kat