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the problem with the evolution theory happening over millions of years is that the earth isnt millions of years old 
Says who? Hey, I get to agree with Fanta, yay  They are discovering that the world is older than originally taught. Now that we can watch the changes other planets go through and so on. This old planet is very old but young by universe standards still.
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How is my position "anti-evolution"? I disagree with the theory! I agree with the evidence, but I have a different conclusion. I am OPEN to evolution. Most of the apologetics websites I frequent are OEC, which means they believe in the Big Bang and evolution. There are good arguments for OEC, but I don't find the evidentiary support that I would require to believe in OEC. This is exactly what I have been talking about. Calling me (because I disagree with you) "anti-evolution" / anti-science, is simply trying to shut down discussion. What is the motivation to try to trivialize my beliefs, by insinuating that I hate or don't understand science?
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Edited by
yzrabbit1
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Mon 12/10/07 10:35 AM
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Now you Christians want to just step forward with untested ideas and expect a seat at the scientific table. Why the stereotype of Christians? Do you assume all christians are anti evolution? If so, you should know that that's not the case;^] aprox 80% of the US is Christian And 55% (of us citizens) believe in creationism over evolution (cbs poll) that is not a radical fringe!!! That is a huge majority of Christians that do not understand basic basic science. How dangerous is that for our society. How expensive is that to try and fix? Thank you for prooving my point (even though statistics are always flawed), you prooved my point by pointing out that not ALL christians are anti evolution or science in general for that matter (and 55% isn't a "vast" majority). Yet you say "you christians" as if all christians hold the same view. It simply isn't true. You'd be better off addressing individuals rather than an entire religion, as it stands now it comes off as bigotry and ignorance;^] I guess you didn't see the numbers clearly 80% of The US are Christians 55% of US population is pro-evolution So just off my head that means Aprox 70% of Christians hold this beliefe-I call that a huge majority. |
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Edited by
yzrabbit1
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Mon 12/10/07 10:41 AM
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How is my position "anti-evolution"? I disagree with the theory! I agree with the evidence, but I have a different conclusion. I am OPEN to evolution. Most of the apologetics websites I frequent are OEC, which means they believe in the Big Bang and evolution. There are good arguments for OEC, but I don't find the evidentiary support that I would require to believe in OEC. This is exactly what I have been talking about. Calling me (because I disagree with you) "anti-evolution" / anti-science, is simply trying to shut down discussion. What is the motivation to try to trivialize my beliefs, by insinuating that I hate or don't understand science? Your like a kid pointing at a car and calling it a balloon. It is impossible to argue with |
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Edited by
yzrabbit1
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Mon 12/10/07 10:40 AM
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One cannot believe that all came from two, without ignoring science...
Somewhere along the line, science must be circumvented... Our knowledge of dna disproves the possibility of our existence, as we are, being from two like us. Without a missing link. |
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Edited by
RichPantherFan
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Mon 12/10/07 10:43 AM
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Now you Christians want to just step forward with untested ideas and expect a seat at the scientific table. Why the stereotype of Christians? Do you assume all christians are anti evolution? If so, you should know that that's not the case;^] aprox 80% of the US is Christian And 55% (of us citizens) believe in creationism over evolution (cbs poll) that is not a radical fringe!!! That is a huge majority of Christians that do not understand basic basic science. How dangerous is that for our society. How expensive is that to try and fix? Thank you for prooving my point (even though statistics are always flawed), you prooved my point by pointing out that not ALL christians are anti evolution or science in general for that matter (and 55% isn't a "vast" majority). Yet you say "you christians" as if all christians hold the same view. It simply isn't true. You'd be better off addressing individuals rather than an entire religion, as it stands now it comes off as bigotry and ignorance;^] Let us also keep in mind that 99% of all publicized statistical information is not obtained or reported correctly. Through what methods were these numbers created? Were the people polled all done from religious groups, where they predominately middle aged/older citizens. Was the polling all done from one region in the country? I'm willing to bet if you took a poll of everyone in the country you would find somewhere around 30% believe Creationism only, 20% believe Evolution only, and 50% believe some combined form. Basically the majority believe God created the universe, but also accept that he didn't just snap his fingers and poof everything just appeared. |
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Edited by
yzrabbit1
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Mon 12/10/07 11:02 AM
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Now you Christians want to just step forward with untested ideas and expect a seat at the scientific table. Why the stereotype of Christians? Do you assume all christians are anti evolution? If so, you should know that that's not the case;^] aprox 80% of the US is Christian And 55% (of us citizens) believe in creationism over evolution (cbs poll) that is not a radical fringe!!! That is a huge majority of Christians that do not understand basic basic science. How dangerous is that for our society. How expensive is that to try and fix? Thank you for prooving my point (even though statistics are always flawed), you prooved my point by pointing out that not ALL christians are anti evolution or science in general for that matter (and 55% isn't a "vast" majority). Yet you say "you christians" as if all christians hold the same view. It simply isn't true. You'd be better off addressing individuals rather than an entire religion, as it stands now it comes off as bigotry and ignorance;^] Let us also keep in mind that 99% of all publicized statistical information is not obtained or reported correctly. Through what methods were these numbers created? Where the people polled all done from religious groups, where they predominately middle aged/older citizens. Was the polling all done from one region in the country? I'm willing to bet if you took a poll of everyone in the country you would find somewhere around 30% believe Creationism only, 20% believe Evolution only, and 50% believe some combined form. Basically the majority believe God created the universe, but also accept that he didn't just snap his fingers and poof everything just appeared. Show me where you got this 99% stat from. Cause that is just bologna |
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One cannot believe that all came from two, without ignoring science... Somewhere along the line, science must be circumvented... Our knowledge of dna disproves the possibility of our existence, as we are, being from two like us. Without a missing link. That's not true at all. Inbreeding comes from bad genes building up in the offspring. God created Adam and Eve as perfect beings. They had no bad genes to pass on. Therefore, their children couldn't be inbred. As genes changed to allow the people to adapt to their environments, genetic diversity increased. Eventually, the level of bad genes vs genetic diversity reached a point, that humans could no longer marry close relatives without producing inbred offspring. |
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Again, you lump all christians into one group when you say things like "you christians", would I not be wrong to say "you atheists" because of the acts of the soviet union? Bigotry never gets us anywhere productive, so again if you want to critise a mentality or individual, fine, but don't take it out on the rest of us;^[
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Mon 12/10/07 10:49 AM
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Your like a kid pointing at a car and calling it a balloon. It is impossible to argue with You are like an athiest who knows he can't argue with a more intelligent and educated Christian, so he resorts to insults. |
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Again, you lump all christians into one group when you say things like "you christians", would I not be wrong to say "you atheists" because of the acts of the soviet union? Bigotry never gets us anywhere productive, so again if you want to critise a mentality or individual, fine, but don't take it out on the rest of us;^[ Try to doge the facts all you want. Your putting up a straw man to play on feelings. Aprox 70% of Christians believe in Creationism. That is a big majority not a small finge like you said before |
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One cannot believe that all came from two, without ignoring science... Somewhere along the line, science must be circumvented... Our knowledge of dna disproves the possibility of our existence, as we are, being from two like us. Without a missing link. Adam and Eve, to many including myself, are symbols and not literal people, same with the seven days of creation. Adam & Eve represent two african tribes which came together & ended up leaving Africa together. Seven days is symbolic for seven cycles;^] |
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spider replied:
That's not true at all. Inbreeding comes from bad genes building up in the offspring. God created Adam and Eve as perfect beings. They had no bad genes to pass on. Therefore, their children couldn't be inbred. As genes changed to allow the people to adapt to their environments, genetic diversity increased. Eventually, the level of bad genes vs genetic diversity reached a point, that humans could no longer marry close relatives without producing inbred offspring <<<<<<< Ummmmmm....Spider, 'bad genes' come from inbreeding... Even Christianity knows that Adam and Eve were not perfect... Perfect genetic code would breed perfect genetic code... >>>>>>> |
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One cannot believe that all came from two, without ignoring science... Somewhere along the line, science must be circumvented... Our knowledge of dna disproves the possibility of our existence, as we are, being from two like us. Without a missing link. That's not true at all. Inbreeding comes from bad genes building up in the offspring. God created Adam and Eve as perfect beings. They had no bad genes to pass on. Therefore, their children couldn't be inbred. As genes changed to allow the people to adapt to their environments, genetic diversity increased. Eventually, the level of bad genes vs genetic diversity reached a point, that humans could no longer marry close relatives without producing inbred offspring. I am sorry, but this answer is scientifically incorrect. Look it up. Two dna strands of similar pattern are hazardous, no matter if it is the first time or the last. |
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Again, you lump all christians into one group when you say things like "you christians", would I not be wrong to say "you atheists" because of the acts of the soviet union? Bigotry never gets us anywhere productive, so again if you want to critise a mentality or individual, fine, but don't take it out on the rest of us;^[ Try to doge the facts all you want. Your putting up a straw man to play on feelings. Aprox 70% of Christians believe in Creationism. That is a big majority not a small finge like you said before Even if the stats were correct, who flippin' cares? It's still not all of us & your bigotry in your posts is dissapointing. Agree to disagree, but don't lump us ALL together. I'm done with you, no time to waste on stereotypers;^] |
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Show me where you got this 99% stat from. OK, it was an example not a hard statistic. My point being, outside purely scientific/mathematical research, the statistics used in the modern world are obtained or reported in ways to prove a particular point. There are infinite different ways to obtain and represent statistical data to show exactly what you wish. Advertising companies can do polls of people at a Soccer game and say 90% of americans polled wear Nike, Reebok, or Adidas shoes. This statistic would be correct, but had the same poll been done on the streets of New York, they would have gotten a much lower number! |
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turtlepoet:
Do not think I am beating up on Christianity or Christians... please, I am not...
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Stats are always flawed by nature for things such as this, pollers interview the people they want to give them the answers they want, they don't interview every person and the margin of error is really about 50% if not higher because so many people are left out of the poll;^]
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One cannot believe that all came from two, without ignoring science... Somewhere along the line, science must be circumvented... Our knowledge of dna disproves the possibility of our existence, as we are, being from two like us. Without a missing link. Adam and Eve, to many including myself, are symbols and not literal people, same with the seven days of creation. Adam & Eve represent two african tribes which came together & ended up leaving Africa together. Seven days is symbolic for seven cycles;^] This goes on the premise that the bible is a book of codes and symbols. If you believe that. It is still only a belief of which everyone has a right to theirs. |
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