Apparently, Boris Johnson has sent three letters to Brussels. The first was a letter demamded by Parliament asking for an another extension and so not leaving on the 31st but Boris didn't sign it. The second letter was one stating that he doesn't want an extension and he signed that one as Prime Minister. The third one he sent as a private citizen saying that he did not want the current deal with Europe and wouldn't accept it if he can avoid it.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/20/dup-threaten-unite-labour-back-customs-union-amendment-would/?

Oh yes, plenty of people still changing sides and bargaining for favours and influence, regardless of the consequences. Still, I hope and think that we're out soon. If not, their will be blood on the streets and if out, then we're going to see major reforms and maybe these will actually do some good for all of us. OK, so it's unlikely that things are going to get really good, like an outbreak of sanity but I think,for the moment at least, most of us would settle for them not getting worse.

Hope you're right Seamus, it may have to get worse before it gets better though..

So do I Dino but even as an optimist I think we'll need a boat load of luck to get through the next few days.

Three years ago they held a referendum which asked the people of the UK if we wanted to leave the EU or stay in it. It was the biggest vote in our history, with almost everyone who was eligible to vote casting their ballot. Against all expectations, 52% (17.4 million) voted to leave. For the past three years, Parliament and the majority of our MP's have done everything in their power to ignore that vote and keep us in the EU.
It's not about Europe, it's about Democracy. If we stay in Europe against the will of the People, then we no longer have a Democracy. I'm sure that you will understand what will follow from that.

There's a big call to "Arms" by loyalists tonight, so we wait with bated breath to see what sort of action they plan on taking, hopefully it won't lead the spilling of innocent blood.

I think it was 54% here in the North of Ireland voted remain.

Yes, like I said, we'll all need a lot of luck to get through the next few days without blood. I realise that the majority in Ulster, like Scotland, voted to remain and I understand that was in their best interests but Europe is not your friend either these days. Only a week or so past and they were insisting that Ulster had to be united with the Republic in order for the UK to leave and we all know what would have happened then. The same thing that might happen now anyway, because there's no doubt that the Unionists are done with the power sharing agreement. If I were a religious man, I'd be tempted to send a prayer and see if anyone was listening. As it is, we can only wait and see. Good luck to us all.

I hear ya Seamus, hopefully it won't interrupt my ulster fry.. If only thoughts and prayers worked eh? Take er handy anyway..

This is a story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody and Nobody. There was an important job called brexit to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about that, because it was Everybody’s job. Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn’t do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have.

If the UK were a real democracy, then every every lawmaker at the federal level would be elected to that office. No such office would be inherited.

This about sums it up for me..

Looks like we might be having a General election in early December. For the first time in forty years I'm about to cast my vote for the Conservatives, which is another thing I never thought I'd do.

Wow, what a nasty divorce the Brexit has turned out to be.

Federal level? What federal level?

here in the states we have 3or 4 levels of government. federal being the whole country ie the president. then state , each of 50 i e the governors. then county and or local towns and or a group of towns in one area of the state. ie mayors or county commissioners. those are just the top seats in each

Of course, the virtues and vices of a Republic versus a Constitutional Monarchy
which we have in the UK, is a different argument. I have to admit to being disappointed in our current Monarch and heirs but on the other hand, without her we'd just be ruled by Politicians.
The High King of Ireland used to be chosen following a series of physical and intellectual contests. Anyone could apply to be High King, although the penalty for taking the p*** was to have your nipples removed. One had to be physically perfect to be considered and the means of greeting and pledging fealty to the High King was the kiss his nipple. No nipple, no kiss. An elected Monarchy is perhaps something we should consider.

Looking at what you have in the USA, there is no way I would vote to lose our monarchy and have a President instead! Our monarchy, like them or not, bring in large amounts of money from the tourists who visit this country. Leave them as they are please!

I don't agree with those who inherit a place in our House of Lords. And I most certainly do NOT agree with having bishops there. No representatives from the other churches, Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Hindu, Muslim, Jew, etc. That is because we are officially a 'Christian' country and church (Anglican only) and State are connected. When a member of the House of Lords wants to have a say, the 'Speaker' always allows a bishop to speak first. It is one of our ancient traditions that should be quietly forgotten. The House of Lords needs reform - but not total removal as it serves a great use. It should be full of appointed people, former trade union leaders, company directors and others who have had a successful life in business. Maybe a former archbishop, but also one or two former senior people in other religions also - just a few of those.

These will be retired people and perhaps only in office for a maximum of ten years.