Topic: Brexit
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Mon 09/02/19 06:36 AM
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Mon 09/02/19 09:50 AM
A weaker £ can only boost exports and is probably just the product of uncertainty and/or profiteering and will correct itself eventually. As for trade with Europe, they will suffer as much if not more unless they're willing to be rational. The UK had lots of trade and policing protocols etc with Europe before joining, so time to dust them off and update them for the current conditions.

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Mon 09/02/19 10:10 AM
Boris is making a speech now

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Mon 09/02/19 10:34 AM
It would be nice to have a General Election soon to sweep out the 'we know best' crowd from Parliament. According to our unwritten Constitution, the will of the people trumps that of Parliament or the Crown because, while it is recognised that either of the latter two Institutions can be tyrannous, the people, having no other power, can only be misguided at worst.

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Mon 09/02/19 10:36 AM
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Tue 09/03/19 07:50 AM
A financial expert says the reason for the fall in the pound is that the financial markets fear Britain falling into the hands of a left wing government.

Watching the speech at the moment the opposition look like they've been dragged out of the loony bin!
I just hope for our sake that if a general election is called that they don't get in. The country will be finished!

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Tue 09/03/19 09:30 AM
The Brexit party won't have anything to do with the Tories unless they become firmly in favour of WTO rules and no 'deal' - which means they would be the same as the Brexit party. Only in that situation would the two parties work together. If they don't do that, we could blame Farage for letting Corbyn in.

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Tue 09/03/19 09:39 AM

The Brexit party won't have anything to do with the Tories unless they become firmly in favour of WTO rules and no 'deal' - which means they would be the same as the Brexit party. Only in that situation would the two parties work together. If they don't do that, we could blame Farage for letting Corbyn in.


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Nice to see someone with the balls to say it as it is. Quite refreshing!

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Tue 09/03/19 10:05 AM

It would be nice to have a General Election soon to sweep out the 'we know best' crowd from Parliament. According to our unwritten Constitution, the will of the people trumps that of Parliament or the Crown because, while it is recognised that either of the latter two Institutions can be tyrannous, the people, having no other power, can only be misguided at worst.


Too true..

The problem lies in the ease with which we are misguided.
I've no doubt that we will be fine out of the EU, but there
exists a n element of insecurity and a fear of change.

You can't blame the government for sh*****g themselves.
I wouldn't want the job of pm right now. Would you?

Whats the bet that they will ask for another 3 months.
I'll give you 2 to 1 against..

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Tue 09/03/19 10:15 AM
I don't think Boris will have an extension, he's the only one who wants to honour the referendum!
The BBC is very bias to labour and remain imo.
The media loves things not to go right.
I've never seen mps on both sides be so negative about anything!
Thank duck this crowd weren't around 80 years ago today!

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Thu 09/05/19 01:12 AM
Edited by ... on Thu 09/05/19 01:17 AM
Looks like the remainers are trying to force Boris to do the one thing he promised never to do. That leaves him the option to call a General Election, because doing that will hold things up. Whoever becomes the next PM will then be forced to go back to Brussels, cap in hand, and beg for another extension. What will happen if the Tories do win the next election, and if Boris remains as PM? What will he do about an extension, if he is forced to go for one? What if we have a hung parliament next time?

I've never in my life spent so many hours watching politics on the box!

As far as I can see, politicians are full of remainers but they don't like to admit they are remainers because the two main parties both promised to honour the result of the referendum.

When we had that referendum, the idiot Cameron was so sure the country would vote to remain that he gave us a binary choice - leave or remain - with absolutely no discussion about how we would leave. Remainers said we'll leave the Customs Union, how terrible. Leavers also said we'll leave the Customs Union, but they said how wonderful! It seemed to me at the time that the choice was between WTO rules or remaining. The EU has constantly argued for 'ever closer union' meaning, as far as I can see, that we would move to becoming 'The United States of Europe' one day - just like the USA where there are no 'borders' between one state and the next. Given that choice, I voted for leave so we could return to where we were before we joined.

Since then, my position became described as a 'hard' Brexit while remainers divided into those who admitted they wanted to remain and those who pretended they wanted to 'respect' the vote but leave in a way that kept the Customs Union, some suggesting that we become like Norway or Canada.

The EU knew that May was a remainer at heart and didn't believe she would carry out her threat to leave at the end of March. They just sat back and waited for her reserve to crumble, as it did when she begged for an extension. And then another one.

Now we have Boris who recognised that we cannot have the deal May 'agreed' with the EU because it has been voted down three times. So he wants another deal. I think he hasn't noticed that the EU will not budge. They will not alter the 'backstop' or the agreement in any way. His mistake is to refuse to go to Brussels until they agree to drop the 'backstop'. They won't drop it so he can't negotiate with them. He is full of bluster about 'getting a new agreement' but it just isn't going to happen.

His life is made impossible by the remoaners who just don't understand how brinkmanship works. Poor Boris, this country is in a mess. And the result could be a Corybn government when the remoaners finally come together, instead of arguing among each other and wanting slightly different things.

Any Remain voting people here willing to pick an argument with me?

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Thu 09/05/19 02:01 AM
The last person to have balls as big as boris was Thatcher!
Since the referendum labour has only one thing on their minds and that's a general election. They don't give a :poop: about the country. Now boris Johnson is wanting to call an election they don't want it!
Yes Cameron called it but he was honouring a manifesto pledge. Labour would have never put it to the people.
Interesting that it's the people in the ruined industrial areas that voted most to leave, the same areas that labour claimed to support!
You see it's easy for the labour party to ride on the back of Europe and constantly say we can't do this and that because of eu laws.
They couldn't make a deal in a sweet shop so they would be stuffed!
You couldn't put the technical details of leave to the people as it's far too complicated.
In or out was the question and out was the answer end of!
We are seeing the same with Scotland, they voted to remain as part of the UK yet sturgeon wants another vote because she didn't get the answer she wanted!
Let her leave, pull the 8000 jobs that support our nuclear submarines out and put them in England along with all of the subsidies that we carry!
The bs goes on!

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Thu 09/05/19 03:01 AM
Hmmm... I love England, but when it comes to the Scottish issue I feel different.
You ruined that country for all of what it was, completely stripped it of its identity, trashed their culture, killed all of the men who had the typical Scottish strength. It takes generations for a people to recover from what you did to them.
Then they get a chance to finally get their country back and you start the fear mongering and hate spreading. Much like what you're doing now.
I don't get why the English have to look down your noses? Was your English pride so hurt when you had to take on one of the most resilient and ferocious people the northern hemisphere has ever known?
I can wholeheartedly understand they voted for staying after all the fear mongering and threats of losing jobs, like the 8000 you speak of, companies threatening to pull out and so on.
Personally I think England should have done a transition phase where they supported the free country of Scotland to build an economy of its own again. After all, you were the ones to totally trash it and make it dependent of you.
In a way it's ridiculous to think that former colonies do get aid, often for decades on end, yet I cannot recall the same being offered to Scotland? Why not? Because they happen to be white? Because you hate them? They too were annexed as one of your colonies, so don't they deserve the same support?
A Scottish pound isn't even accepted in England, or very reluctantly, as if it's dirty money. So you'd have to convert the same currency into money with a different image even though the money you have is from the same country, and legal tender within the country.

Maybe I'm off with some facts, I didn't follow it to the letter, but in general how I see this is how I described it.

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Thu 09/05/19 04:49 AM
Edited by Unknow on Thu 09/05/19 04:50 AM

Hmmm... I love England, but when it comes to the Scottish issue I feel different.
You ruined that country for all of what it was, completely stripped it of its identity, trashed their culture, killed all of the men who had the typical Scottish strength. It takes generations for a people to recover from what you did to them.
Then they get a chance to finally get their country back and you start the fear mongering and hate spreading. Much like what you're doing now.
I don't get why the English have to look down your noses? Was your English pride so hurt when you had to take on one of the most resilient and ferocious people the northern hemisphere has ever known?
I can wholeheartedly understand they voted for staying after all the fear mongering and threats of losing jobs, like the 8000 you speak of, companies threatening to pull out and so on.
Personally I think England should have done a transition phase where they supported the free country of Scotland to build an economy of its own again. After all, you were the ones to totally trash it and make it dependent of you.
In a way it's ridiculous to think that former colonies do get aid, often for decades on end, yet I cannot recall the same being offered to Scotland? Why not? Because they happen to be white? Because you hate them? They too were annexed as one of your colonies, so don't they deserve the same support?
A Scottish pound isn't even accepted in England, or very reluctantly, as if it's dirty money. So you'd have to convert the same currency into money with a different image even though the money you have is from the same country, and legal tender within the country.

Maybe I'm off with some facts, I didn't follow it to the letter, but in general how I see this is how I described it.



Maybe look at the Netherlands history of that time and actually into the 20th century.
They were doing the same around the world as we were!
The Dutch East India company for one!
And don't believe everything you see in the movies, most of it is american bs!
where do you think the money comes from for Scotland?
It's not separate, well, only when things are going well.

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Thu 09/05/19 03:54 PM
The SNP party is the one that wants Scotland to be separate from England. They also want to remain in Europe and they also want to keep the Engpish Pound currency! A few problems:

1. If that happens there will be another land border between England and Europe. Given the difficult over the one in Ireland, how will they handle it?

2. If we (the UK) leaves the EU, Scotland will, like it or not, leave with us because we are one country. If subsequently Scotland 'leaves' the UK and becomes a separate country, it will have to apply to join the EU as a 'new member country'. As far as I know, it is now a requirement of the EU that new countries joining must accept the Euro as their currency. Scotland will have to accept the Euro, but doesn't want to.

3. Scotland wants to 'keep' the UK pound as its currency, but how can it do that when it is a different country? It will need its own currency. Just as Canada, Australia and the US all have 'dollars', so Scotland can have 'Pounds' if they wish, but it will not be the UK pound, its value will rise and fall against the pound, just as the Canadian dollar rises and falls against the US dollar.

The UK government made all sorts of promises to Scotland to keep them in the UK. They now claim that not all those promises have been kept. Am I surprised that a government makes promises to get what it wants and then not keep those promises? Not really!

Now the SNP wants another go at leaving the UK. Personally I wouldn't mind if they did leave. I think they would be worse off and we in England would be better off. I like Scotland and would have to put up with taking my passport should I visit that country. Other than that I doubt it would affect me. Certainly nothing like as much as Brexit will, whatever happens. I think the difficulties of leaving the EU have been exaggerated and those using the scare tactics will feel very silly if and when we do actually leave. They will make mountains our of molehills at every opportunity, I'm sure!

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Sun 09/08/19 01:37 AM
Poor old Boris, I feel sorry for him. He has promised he will leave with ot without a deal, but MPs have now made that impossible. His own brother has abandoned him, which is very unkind. He wants to call a General Election and while Labour have been saying for a long time that is what they really want but they are offered the chance the decline to vote for it.

It looks like Boris has been forced to request an extension, the very thing that May kept doing and the very thing he absolutely refused to do. I guess the only thing left would be to resign as PM and that means the Gove would be likely to take over. But what would he do that is different from Boris? Probably go for an extension - AGAIN!!!

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Sun 09/08/19 06:48 AM
Hi mk, well there isn't an emoji for scratching your head but it would sure be handy!


Democracy :

Scotland had a vote and voted remain part of the UK

We all had a vote on remain or leave Europe. verdict, leave!

We are quickly loosing democracy imo

The lossers won't accept the outcome!

All I'm hearing from the left is democracy democracy!

Erm, earth calling the left, hello, I can see the light is on but no one is home whoa

Look at all those third world countries we've accused of rigging the vote or not abiding by it?

Maybe sturgeon and Corbyn should get married and f##k to Russia and live happily ever after laugh

They both look like they are chewing a lemon!

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Mon 09/09/19 03:07 AM
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Mon 09/09/19 03:14 AM
As the Scottish guy says in dads army: we're all doomed laugh

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Mon 09/09/19 04:11 AM
Some mp's are trying to get a vote to make it illegal to park on the pavement

Looks like well be ok for the next few years laugh