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Topic: "to believe is to doubt"
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Sat 01/05/08 11:47 AM



it only became fact once it was proved.


no..some planets could be seen from Earth with the naked eye ..remember God can not be seen


You forget too easily. I originally stated planets that couldn't be seen with the current technology.

Either way your original theory is flawed. You either believe or you don't. If you doubt then you don't believe. You may say you believe but at the times you doubt then you are no longer believing are you?



nope it's your theory that is flawed because you are not using examples that can't be seen or are incomprehensible because that is what believers claim God is.. also if people could see one planet then they figure it have to be others it just took technology to show that

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Sun 01/06/08 09:32 AM


belief/faith = doubt

yes.


no.....wrong way

Faith + Belief = no doubts.....giggle.


Faith + Belief + no doubts = Self-Hypnosis

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Sun 01/06/08 09:39 AM
Belief + experience of belief = Faith + repetitive experience of belief = conviction

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Sun 01/06/08 09:57 AM

Belief + experience of belief = Faith + repetitive experience of belief = conviction


conviction = "guilty"...... of not knowing

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Sun 01/06/08 09:58 AM


Belief + experience of belief = Faith + repetitive experience of belief = conviction


conviction = "guilty"...... of not knowing


it means both

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Sun 01/06/08 10:08 AM


Belief + experience of belief = Faith + repetitive experience of belief = conviction


conviction = "guilty"...... of not knowing

Oh no, please, don't be predictable.

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Sun 01/06/08 10:15 AM



Belief + experience of belief = Faith + repetitive experience of belief = conviction


conviction = "guilty"...... of not knowing

Oh no, please, don't be predictable.


I predicted you were going to say that

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Sun 01/06/08 10:18 AM
Got proof of that?

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Sun 01/06/08 10:22 AM
hahaaaaaaaaa

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Sun 01/06/08 10:22 AM
hahaaaaaaaaa

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Sun 01/06/08 10:46 AM

Got proof of that?


yes I do because you said it in your post below

Originally posted by fiesty wench:
Oh no, please, don't be predictable.



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Sun 01/06/08 10:51 AM
You must have really, really brown eyes funch, cause man, you are full of it.

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Sun 01/06/08 10:54 AM

You must have really, really brown eyes funch, cause man, you are full of it.


sorry feisty wench you appear to be the one that stepped in it ..you should have seen that one coming from down the block

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Sun 01/06/08 10:58 AM
Its hard to look down the block when you're flying by the seat of your pants. Well done, SA.

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Sun 01/06/08 12:09 PM


You must have really, really brown eyes funch, cause man, you are full of it.


sorry feisty wench you appear to be the one that stepped in it ..you should have seen that one coming from down the block

You technically proved I thought you were predictable. You still have NOT proven you HAD predicted what I would say before I actually said it. But, I laughed, so I let you have the moment.

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Sun 01/06/08 12:10 PM
Well, till now.

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Sun 01/06/08 12:44 PM
Edited by Chazster on Sun 01/06/08 12:45 PM
either way if you doubt you are not believing. The are two opposing things. Say what you want you wont convince me.

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Sun 01/06/08 12:49 PM
v., doubt·ed, doubt·ing, doubts.

v.tr.

1. To be undecided or skeptical about: began to doubt some accepted doctrines.
2. To tend to disbelieve; distrust: doubts politicians when they make sweeping statements.
3. To regard as unlikely: I doubt that we'll arrive on time.
4. Archaic. To suspect; fear.

line 2.

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Sun 01/06/08 05:46 PM

either way if you doubt you are not believing. The are two opposing things. Say what you want you wont convince me.



I'm not trying to convince you I'm just explaining it simply

that you only "believe" because you do not "know"
if you "know" then why would one have to "believe"

to believe means you lack the proof to claim you know
to know means you have proof that what you know is fact

anyone can claim they believe something but to know something takes proof

to claim you believe requires no proof and implies doubt
to claim you know requires proof that it is fact

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE
someone BELIEVES they are the father of a child because they have DOUBTS that they are....but once a DNA test is taken then they will know that they are because proof has been provided

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Sun 01/06/08 10:41 PM
that is actually just misusing the word.
believe

1. to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so: Only if one believes in something can one act purposefully.
–verb (used with object)
2. to have confidence or faith in the truth of (a positive assertion, story, etc.); give credence to.
3. to have confidence in the assertions of (a person).
4. to have a conviction that (a person or thing) is, has been, or will be engaged in a given action or involved in a given situation: The fugitive is believed to be headed for the Mexican border.
5. to suppose or assume; understand (usually fol. by a noun clause): I believe that he has left town.

others may doubt what you believe is true, but if you really believe it then you don't have doubt. Thats why I say an individual can believe without having doubt.

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