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if proof of fact was available then there would be no point it would be no point in "believing" because you would "know"  why is it you only pulled the top 2 lines funny how that works |
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if proof of fact was available then there would be no point anyone with any sense could believe proven fact but to believe in the non proven takes faith and without faith in the belief then it is irrelevant as for a cristianity example thomas sayin g unless i thrust my hand in his wounds i will not believe jesus' response you see and now you believe even more blessed are those that have not seen but believe with their faith (not exact quote but anyone with any sense should understand it) |
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hey invisible kitty kat .. Your punch line is getting boring, think of something new, you sound quite delusional to me. |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Sat 12/08/07 09:01 AM
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hey invisible kitty kat .. Your punch line is getting boring, think of something new, you sound quite delusional to me.   here ya want some catnip
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Edited by
invisible
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Sat 12/08/07 09:04 AM
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hey invisible kitty kat .. Your punch line is getting boring, think of something new, you sound quite delusional to me. here ya want some catnip Even my cat isn't fond of it 
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if proof of fact was available then there would be no point it would be no point in "believing" because you would "know" why is it you only pulled the top 2 lines funny how that works how many should I have to pull ..those was the only revelant ones ..ok...let me find that post and address all of it |
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up is up because relative to another position it is a little higher than the previous up which is lower and down relative to the previous up. since the universe is limitless there is always a position that is more up so anyone that claim to be "up” in a hierarchy is in fact stating they are "down" relative to someone else who is higher in the hierarchy ..hence "up is down"
so those that are trying to pass off up as truth without sufficient proof to make such a claim are lying to themselves and to others, while using the word higher is only a way to justify the deception “up is down” there is just no way around this logic |
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up is up because relative to another position it is a little higher than the previous up which is lower and down relative to the previous up. since the universe is limitless there is always a position that is more up so anyone that claim to be "up” in a hierarchy is in fact stating they are "down" relative to someone else who is higher in the hierarchy ..hence "up is down" so those that are trying to pass off up as truth without sufficient proof to make such a claim are lying to themselves and to others, while using the word higher is only a way to justify the deception “up is down” there is just no way around this logic would not going around put you at the same level insert head scratching emoticon here |
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ok adj4u here's the same post again and I will address all your points
adj4u...if proof of fact was available funches..then you would not have to only believe you would know adj4u..then there would be no point funches...there's always a point adj4u..anyone with any sense could believe funches...anyone with any sense wouldn't believe it's truth adj4u...proven fact funches..facts are used to explain possible truths adj4u...but to believe in the non proven funches...is why you can only but believe adj4u....takes faith funches...which is little more than deceviing onself adj4u..and without faith in the belief funches...and without deceiving oneself adj4u....then it is irrelevant funches...nothing is ever irrelvant adj4u...as for a cristianity example funches..or for a unprovable senerio adj4u....thomas sayin g unless i thrust my hand in his wounds i will not believe funches...and after you finish could you call a doctor adj4u...jesus' response funches...and then this guy wearing a toga said adj4u...you see and now you believe even more blessed are those that have not seen but believe with their faith funches...you no longer have to "believe" because you now "know" it's a wound there adj4u...(not exact quote but anyone with any sense should understand it) funches...right anyone with non-sense and that adj4u is why it's hard to address all your points in your posts because your tactic is to fashion them in a way in which it takes so long to address all of them that you have to take the main points and address only those ....and then you point out that all of them wasn't addressed in other words adj4u..if you want a fair response to your posts you should try to frame them in a easy read-able paragraph |
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it would be no point in "believing" because you would "know" For some people 'seeing is believing' so for them, they only believe what they know. So there is some arguable semantics associated with how you are using the word 'believe' everyone may not use it to mean the same thing you do. This is why we have the word ‘faith’, to have faith in something is to believe it without knowing it is true. I believe a lot of things that I ‘know’. Knowing something does not mean that I no longer believe it to be true. On the contrary, I seldom believe anything until I’m convinced that I do ‘know’ that it’s true, at least within the framework of some structured logic. Now I realize that this is entirely semantics, but if you’re going to base an entire argument on this your should have started with the word ‘faith’ rather than ‘believe’. Even though I know what you mean, I think it is a poor use of words. Finally, to base everything on logic is to ‘believe’ in logic. Yet the very existence of the universe itself defies logic. The fact that anything can exist at all defies logic. Where would it have initially come from? And if it came from somewhere, where did that thing come from., etc. The universe itself is illogical thus proving that logic itself has no value in “truth”. People who believe in God will jump up and down and scream, “That’s right! So there must be a God!” which of course is utterly absurd because all they are doing is giving that initial illogical thing a name and calling it ‘God’. They haven’t added anything to the initial question, all they have done is show a complete ignorance of the depth of the initial question to begin with and toss out a three-letter word “God” that supposedly answers something. But it’s no answer. All they are really doing is saying, “We give up, this is all too deep for us! So let’s just call the unknown God and leave it at that ok?” In other words, they are Philosophobics. So there you go Funcies, instead of calling them ‘delusional’ why not just call them ‘Philosophobics’  |
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it would be no point in "believing" because you would "know" For some people 'seeing is believing' so for them, they only believe what they know. So there is some arguable semantics associated with how you are using the word 'believe' everyone may not use it to mean the same thing you do. This is why we have the word ‘faith’, to have faith in something is to believe it without knowing it is true. I believe a lot of things that I ‘know’. Knowing something does not mean that I no longer believe it to be true. On the contrary, I seldom believe anything until I’m convinced that I do ‘know’ that it’s true, at least within the framework of some structured logic. Now I realize that this is entirely semantics, but if you’re going to base an entire argument on this your should have started with the word ‘faith’ rather than ‘believe’. Even though I know what you mean, I think it is a poor use of words. Finally, to base everything on logic is to ‘believe’ in logic. Yet the very existence of the universe itself defies logic. The fact that anything can exist at all defies logic. Where would it have initially come from? And if it came from somewhere, where did that thing come from., etc. The universe itself is illogical thus proving that logic itself has no value in “truth”. People who believe in God will jump up and down and scream, “That’s right! So there must be a God!” which of course is utterly absurd because all they are doing is giving that initial illogical thing a name and calling it ‘God’. They haven’t added anything to the initial question, all they have done is show a complete ignorance of the depth of the initial question to begin with and toss out a three-letter word “God” that supposedly answers something. But it’s no answer. All they are really doing is saying, “We give up, this is all too deep for us! So let’s just call the unknown God and leave it at that ok?” In other words, they are Philosophobics. So there you go Funcies, instead of calling them ‘delusional’ why not just call them ‘Philosophobics’ count me out, will ya???
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hey invisible kitty kat .. Your punch line is getting boring, think of something new, you sound quite delusional to me. funny if I sound delusional to you.. you resort to using that phrase ....also if my punch line is becoming boring so is looking at those fake avatar of yours and your bible thumping |
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“up is down” there is just no way around this logic a better example would be the North and South Poles ...which one is actually up in the universe |
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up is up because relative to another position it is a little higher than the previous up which is lower and down relative to the previous up. since the universe is limitless there is always a position that is more up so anyone that claim to be "up” in a hierarchy is in fact stating they are "down" relative to someone else who is higher in the hierarchy ..hence "up is down" so those that are trying to pass off up as truth without sufficient proof to make such a claim are lying to themselves and to others, while using the word higher is only a way to justify the deception “up is down” there is just no way around this logic would not going around put you at the same level insert head scratching emoticon here explain what you mean adj4u |
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hey invisible kitty kat .. Your punch line is getting boring, think of something new, you sound quite delusional to me. funny if I sound delusional to you.. you resort to using that phrase ....also if my punch line is becoming boring so is looking at those fake avatar of yours and your bible thumping It's not better to look at a headless man
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'funches' wrote: "to believe is to doubt" ...there is just no way around this logic. That is very intersting premise 'funches'. I have 'denounced' the 'baffling', mis-use, and mischaracterization of faith, and beliefs many a times in previous threads. It is one of the cornerstones of my peeves with 'fundies' and other radical and militant types, whom in the end, only believe in one thing: ... THEY OWN THE TRUTH, BECAUSE...!!! ... since THEY (believe they) have THE TRUTH,... ... THEY (are delusionally convinced they) are RIGHT, and YOU are WRONG! It is the clearest expression of the most primitive and barbaric (uneducated) INSTINCT of humans. The original MISCHARACTERIZATION, or false representation of the human mind: the separation of our 'being' and 'soul' within ourselves! Mischaracterization because in this process, our basic intincts run the show, and not 'spirit'. Not enlightment either, an certainly not what is true!!! Mischaracterization, because a good number of us completely lose sight of the very essence of faith and belief. Completely lose sight of that which you point at 'fuches', this dimension of 'doubt', or a dimension of acknowledging and representing the mysterious; the 'unknown' and the 'unknowable', in life, as experienced by humans, the essential and necessary dimension of faith and beliefs for such phenomenon. Faith is nothing other than ... '... a belief NOT substantiated BY PROOF', ... '... SPIRITUAL ACCEPTANCE of truth for oneself (personal experience: not THE TRUTH) or realities not certified by reason', ... '... belief in God; belief in the doctrines or teachings of a religion'. And in that sense I will say "... In faith (limited to personal dimension) , In truth (limited to persoanl dimension), indeed !!!". False prophets ARE NOT those whom share their faith, beliefs or religious tenets in 'GOOD FAITH', ... for what they are: 'NOT substantiated BY PROOF', and 'not certified by reason'. False prophets as defined in the very book that they swear by. They are rather those whom INSIST and IMPOSE on everyone, including any other believer, ... that THEIR personal interpretation of 'faith', ... THEIR personal interpretation of 'beliefs', ... and THEIR personal intepretation of 'religion', are SUBSTANTIATED by their 'personal interpretation of proof', and certified by their 'personal interpretation of reason'. Obviously, such gross mischaracterizations must always be denounced for the obvious perversion of truth that they are. |
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So there is some arguable semantics associated with how you are using the word 'believe' everyone may not use it to mean the same thing you do. it doesn't make a difference how anyone use the word believe because the word believe automatically entails doubt So there you go Funcies, instead of calling them ‘delusional’ why not just call them ‘Philosophobics’ ok..I'll start referring to invisible angel's avatar as that |
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ok adj4u here's the same post again and I will address all your points adj4u...if proof of fact was available funches..then you would not have to only believe you would know adj4u..then there would be no point funches...there's always a point adj4u..anyone with any sense could believe funches...anyone with any sense wouldn't believe it's truth adj4u...proven fact funches..facts are used to explain possible truths adj4u...but to believe in the non proven funches...is why you can only but believe adj4u....takes faith funches...which is little more than deceviing onself adj4u..and without faith in the belief funches...and without deceiving oneself adj4u....then it is irrelevant funches...nothing is ever irrelvant adj4u...as for a cristianity example funches..or for a unprovable senerio adj4u....thomas sayin g unless i thrust my hand in his wounds i will not believe funches...and after you finish could you call a doctor adj4u...jesus' response funches...and then this guy wearing a toga said adj4u...you see and now you believe even more blessed are those that have not seen but believe with their faith funches...you no longer have to "believe" because you now "know" it's a wound there adj4u...(not exact quote but anyone with any sense should understand it) funches...right anyone with non-sense and that adj4u is why it's hard to address all your points in your posts because your tactic is to fashion them in a way in which it takes so long to address all of them that you have to take the main points and address only those ....and then you point out that all of them wasn't addressed in other words adj4u..if you want a fair response to your posts you should try to frame them in a easy read-able paragraph i did not realize you had such a hard time understanding the basic logic behind religion all was related it was an easy read the basis of any religion is belief and faith that is why you are here making your pointless arguments because you realize no one will give you an acceptable ] answer to you question thus causing an on going argument giving you the much needed attention you seem to crave so badly (not that there is anything wrong with that) hopefully you will find a better discussion format in the future unless you are afraid of debating non belief based issues it appears you stay in religion nearly all of the time be well and may much good come to you and yours |
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hey invisible kitty kat .. Your punch line is getting boring, think of something new, you sound quite delusional to me. funny if I sound delusional to you.. you resort to using that phrase ....also if my punch line is becoming boring so is looking at those fake avatar of yours and your bible thumping It's not better to look at a headless man which head |
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hey invisible kitty kat .. Your punch line is getting boring, think of something new, you sound quite delusional to me. funny if I sound delusional to you.. you resort to using that phrase ....also if my punch line is becoming boring so is looking at those fake avatar of yours and your bible thumping It's not better to look at a headless man which head Your non-existing one (on your pic anyways)
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