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Edited by
JOHNN111
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Sun 09/23/18 06:14 PM
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What is she going to say? He touched my boob while we were in bed at a party?
This all seems a little weird without a half dozen other accusers coming out of the woodwork. |
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Edited by
Charles1962150
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Sun 09/23/18 06:30 PM
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Two more women have stories to tell about Brett Kavanaugh — including that he exposed himself at Yale party".
"Two more women have tales to tell about Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh — including one who told The New Yorker that while both were studying at Yale, Kavanaugh thrust his private parts in her face". The stories emerged Sunday night as Kavanaugh’s nomination was already roiled by allegations he tried to rape a woman while both were high school students. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-brett-kavanaugh-sexual-misconduct-20180923-story.html |
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Edited by
Easttowest72
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Sun 09/23/18 11:36 PM
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It's funny that liberals want to pretend they don't know what goes on at those parties.
 The lady started not to say anything because she was so drunk that she has gaps in her memory. She spent 6 days with an attorney to be able to come up with her story. 
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To corral a girl two against one to a room, pin her on a bed and cover her mouth is beyond 'whats expected' by any person or parent I know. IF she was drinking, IF she should not have been there is IRRELEVANT to IF HE SHOULD have done what HE DID and whether that should be considered when HE is being vetted for SCOTUS JUDGE. they vet HIS behavior, not anyone elses. Its pretty simple. LOL, thats what girls like that are for. She was a certain kind of person, so those boys were right to pin her down, and prevent her screams, and try to rip off her clothes. The fact that she got away, and escaped thru the bathroom window, was their cue to just find another girl like that. They moved on. no problem. The fact that her therapists notes on the matter are available doesnt even matter. She told her therapist about it for sure because she was so upset. That just proves she's the nut job. Probably so upset because those boys wouldnt date her. The therapist can't just go around showing off her medical record... permission has to be explicitly granted... In fact, you even have to submit an authorization to see your own medical records. This isn't an active and on-going investigation either. |
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Reminds me of Bill Cosby, they didn't care what 'kind' of girl the accusers were, only if he acted outside of the law.
Reminds me of Donald Trump, they didnt care what 'kind' of girl the accusers were, or what 'kind' of guy he was, for that matter. It is crazy that in 2018 we still have the double standard which allows certain men to be whores to the point of assaulting females without criticism or question, but which shames and discards females if there is even a slightest chance they enjoy sex. But I dont think most people share that double standard anymore. People are now starting to see men as whores just the same as girls when they behave with no discretion or standards sexually. |
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He put himself in Clinton category, by denying it happened, if it is shown somehow that it did, he is toast.
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Reminds me of Bill Cosby, they didn't care what 'kind' of girl the accusers were, only if he acted outside of the law. Reminds me of Donald Trump, they didnt care what 'kind' of girl the accusers were, or what 'kind' of guy he was, for that matter. It pales in comparison to Billy Cosby, not even close actually.  As for Trump, who are you referring to? Stormy Daniels?  I don't know this Kavanaugh character, don't care either way. It's absolute BS to drag stuff up from High School, why can't you bring yourself to admit that? I call it as I see it, none of this wishy washy horsechit you Americans pull off all the freakin time.  |
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generalize much?
Normally, I agree that its not wise to pin on someone something they did in TEEN years and define them by it. And I dont believe this man should be defined by that MOMENT. However, its not BS for a SCOTUS candidate to be "beyond reproach" so to speak, because of the authority they will have to make judgments against other people's lives. It may not be at all relevant what he did in HS, I agree. But then it may open a door that reveals his CHARACTER during and since HS. It has to start with someone willing to say something, regardless of when it was. Cosby started with one drugged out accuser referring to an incident from decades before which she has ADMITTED making up for book sales. However, that ONE person, emblazened the numbers that came after her, and through their numbers and statements from Cosby, ended up convicting him in the public arena and then in the courts. IF this one person, brings forth numbers of others making a similar claim, or opens up a closer look at his judgments concerning claims brought by women, that question of his character will be enough to question whether he is beyond reproach enough for the bench. If this one person, after he has DENIED the claims, brings forth the witness or testimony that leans more to 'proving' he did, his on the record lying (remember Clinton) will be enough to question whether he is beyond reproach enough for the bench. |
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generalize much? All the time when the shoe fits. You don't see it, you're guilty of it yourself, anything that fits the thought direction even if it smashes the common sense threshold. Cosby started with one drugged out accuser referring to an incident from decades before which she has ADMITTED making up for book sales. However, that ONE person, emblazened the numbers that came after her, and through their numbers and statements from Cosby, ended up convicting him in the public arena and then in the courts. So you're saying, the sheer numbers of accusers and statements from Cosby himself convicted the guy? I think the evidence convicted ol fat Albert, the chosen jury convicted him MsH, I think you need to reevaluate how much faith you have in the justice system and not pick & choose the cases. Your childhood hero and good deed philanthropist is a monster in disguise. So one instance of inappropriate conduct, back in High school, is that all they got on the guy Mr Kavanaugh? That's incredible  Heck, I'd even hire him. |
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So you're saying, the sheer numbers of accusers and statements from Cosby himself convicted the guy?
Yes. I am saying that. The jury was not made of isolated individuals who had no access to the news cycles BEFORE the trial. And I agree, if it is one incident, who cares. These things are not usually isolated if a perp has had immunity from consequence though, it usually escalates. but an audience of his peers will decide based on what they view as 'evidence' of guilt or innocence. |
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The jury was not made of isolated individuals who had no access to the news cycles BEFORE the trial. The jury was chosen exclusively by the prosecutors... not!  |
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yes, six white men, four white women, one black man and one black woman, none of which, regardless of which side picked them, had been isolated from the media storm that happened BEFORE THEY WERE CHOSEN.
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Edited by
JOHNN111
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Mon 09/24/18 12:55 PM
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yes, six white men, four white women, one black man and one black woman, none of which, regardless of which side picked them, had been isolated from the media storm that happened BEFORE THEY WERE CHOSEN. Looks like you just uncovered newly discovered grounds for appeal MsH, wow, you're convinced that race plays a MAJOR role in your justice system or you wouldn't have mentioned how many white or blacks in the jury box. For your information, the jury selection process isn't like picking a team, both sides need to sign off on the jury accepted candidates. If Cosby legal team signed off on tainted by media individuals, whos fault is that? Until the appeal is won, he's guilty as hell. 
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Im familiar with the US jury system, Ive actually been called to be on it, have you?
both sides put forth their arguments on which to save and which not to based on how they answer certain questions and jurors can answer questions in the way that will get them selected or relieved of duty. but none of that was my point. My point is, in the case of allegations of sexual harassment of assault, there is, often times, little 'evidence' besides the word of those making the accusation, and the perception of those whose duty it is to hear the accusation. there will be some cases, where certain people will see the women as just whores and opportunists looking to ruin a man, and other cases where certain people will view the men as monsters and the women as helpless unwilling victims. In any case, this is the situation the SCOTUS candidate now finds himself in. He is not isolated. He is not the first or the last. He will have to answer questions and in that, he is also not isolated nor the first or last. the ONLY difference is the CONTEXT of His situation, which is not as an entertainer, or a movie producer or director, but a SCOTUS JUDGE Who will have to interpret the rights of citizens from all walks of life. There is no telling what perception will win out. it may be that 'that woman/those women are whores and opportunists and he is a great normal guy' (as with Trump or other Ivy league rich boys who had 'harmless' parties with 'whores' or used their position with 'opportunists') or it may be that 'that woman/those women are victims, and he is a spoiled rich kid/man who felt it was okay to be a sexual predator because no one taught him differently and his environment reinforced the idea that it was okay for boys to behave in such a way (as with Cosby) I honestly don't know which perception will win out. But I cant wait for the testimony to be completed so we will know what the status is for the SCOTUS candidate, and move on to the next political issue. |
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Must have been Fox news, where you got your info…..
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Edited by
JOHNN111
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Mon 09/24/18 01:45 PM
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Im familiar with the US jury system, Ive actually been called to be on it, have you? No, I've never been called for jury duty in the US but I have in Canada. I'm positive it's the same, if you lie to get picked or not get picked, you perjured yourself. MsH, for real, you're suggesting ridiculous possibilities. plz just stop digging when you find yourself in a deep hole. Ridiculous possibilities is the American way, I know. Yes I generalized again! You all do it. |
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Edited by
Charles1962150
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Mon 09/24/18 02:38 PM
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Im familiar with the US jury system, Ive actually been called to be on it, have you? both sides put forth their arguments on which to save and which not to based on how they answer certain questions and jurors can answer questions in the way that will get them selected or relieved of duty. but none of that was my point. My point is, in the case of allegations of sexual harassment of assault, there is, often times, little 'evidence' besides the word of those making the accusation, and the perception of those whose duty it is to hear the accusation. there will be some cases, where certain people will see the women as just whores and opportunists looking to ruin a man, and other cases where certain people will view the men as monsters and the women as helpless unwilling victims. In any case, this is the situation the SCOTUS candidate now finds himself in. He is not isolated. He is not the first or the last. He will have to answer questions and in that, he is also not isolated nor the first or last. the ONLY difference is the CONTEXT of His situation, which is not as an entertainer, or a movie producer or director, but a SCOTUS JUDGE Who will have to interpret the rights of citizens from all walks of life. There is no telling what perception will win out. it may be that 'that woman/those women are whores and opportunists and he is a great normal guy' (as with Trump or other Ivy league rich boys who had 'harmless' parties with 'whores' or used their position with 'opportunists') or it may be that 'that woman/those women are victims, and he is a spoiled rich kid/man who felt it was okay to be a sexual predator because no one taught him differently and his environment reinforced the idea that it was okay for boys to behave in such a way (as with Cosby) I honestly don't know which perception will win out. But I cant wait for the testimony to be completed so we will know what the status is for the SCOTUS candidate, and move on to the next political issue. Bill Cosby has now been labeled a sexual predator. He's about to go to prison for it. As far as Brett Kavanaugh goes, it still remains to be seen. Either way, if he is found guilty, he is no better than Bill Cosby. They deserve cells right next to each other. Of course, the far right will scream that it's just a smear campaign to keep Brett Kavanaugh out of the high court. When in reality, if that's the road these righties want to take, Bill Cosby has been around a lot of years. He was well loved by many. Nobody screamed "smear" about him. Women left and right was screaming "HANG HIM!! They stood together in solidarity. But when it comes to Brett Kavanaugh, it's different. They will actually blame the woman right off. They say, "She went there to spread her legs for someone". I say, "How do you know? were you there? Is that what you did at 16 when you went to a party? Nobody knows nothing right at the moment. Probably will not know anything until Thursday or maybe after. Me personally, I think they are giving the guy a few days to think about it. If he backs out and decides to step down, he's guilty and he doesn't want anymore going public. His career is over. If he goes on and tries to beat it and can't, it depends on how much proof is given saying he did do it, his career will be over. Or, it may be proven as all lies. Either way, it remains to be seen. If he did it, he's no better than Bill Cosby. And deserves the same. Maybe even more. Bill Cosby's sentencing hearing begins with debate over his designation as a sexually violent predator http://abcnews.go.com/US/bill-cosbys-day-reckoning-arrives-court-sentencing-sexual/story?id=58039783 |
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I agree with this. By the way, I was not on board with persecuting Cosby. I didnt believe the initial accuser, and it seemed the others just literally repeated the story she had posted all over the news. I think its scary how easily women can ruin men's careers and lives by making claims, and how little is necessary for them to back them up.
That being said, I think the same rules that applied to Cosby should apply to Kavanaugh if it is decided the accuser(s) are as credible as those in the Cosby case, many of which were also partying with him in scenes where sex and drugs were a consensual part of it. I dont know Id agree with jailing Kavanaugh either, but I certainly would not want him sitting on the SCOTUS. |
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Bill Cosby has now been labeled a sexual predator. He's about to go to prison for it. As far as Brett Kavanaugh goes, it still remains to be seen. Either way, if he is found guilty, he is no better than Bill Cosby. They deserve cells right next to each other. You do know Kavanaugh isn't on trial here right?  |
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Kavanaugh floats virginity defense amid sexual assault allegations
"Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh put forth an alibi Monday to try to shoot down claims that he sexually assaulted one woman while in high school and another while attending college: At the time of both alleged incidents, he was a virgin". http://www.yahoo.com/news/kavanaugh-floats-virginity-defense-amid-sexual-assault-allegations-235202074.html Kavanaugh tells senators he will not withdraw nomination "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s nominee for the Supreme Court, Brett Kavanaugh, told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday he will not withdraw his nominations because of “false and uncorroborated” sexual misconduct allegations against him". http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-kavanaugh-letter/kavanaugh-tells-senators-he-will-not-withdraw-nomination-idUSKCN1M428D |
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