and what of the boys, any expectations about what should be expected of them?

Does anyone honestly believe that if a teen is somewhere they shouldnt be, they cannot become anyone's victim?

I dont know what she was 'known' for, but I do know she has not gone on to accept a LIFETIME quarter of a million dollar a year position JUDGING what others 'ought' to do according to the rights that everyone, even people who are not where they should be, are supposed to be afforded in the USA.

If she had, maybe Id be interested in the scrutiny of her choices in life.

SHE WASN'T RAPED. Who let's their 15 year old daughter go get drunk with teenage boys?

I bet she had lied to her parents to get that time unsupervised with those boys. She didn't put out and they moved on. That's is what should be expected of them.

Nobody said she deserved to be raped. The boys think these girls are there for what happens at those types of parties. So they tried to screw her. She didn't want to and they moved on. It doesn't change that those parties are for getting drunk and laid.

To corral a girl two against one to a room, pin her on a bed and cover her mouth is beyond 'whats expected' by any person or parent I know.

IF she was drinking, IF she should not have been there is IRRELEVANT to IF HE SHOULD have done what HE DID and whether that should be considered when HE is being vetted for SCOTUS JUDGE. they vet HIS behavior, not anyone elses. Its pretty simple.

Her behavior in the situation matters just as much as the mans. She wasn't raped and her clothes weren't taken off. Two men could have easily over powered her but they didn't. Drunks get confused all the time. Witnesses are saying they don't believe her. She didn't tell anyone. Girls normally go places together. If she was upset someone would have known. If she had torn clothes, her mom would have seen them.

I'm saying horny teenage boys try to have sex with girls who seem to be willing. A 15 year old girl who is lying to her parents so she can be unsupervised to get drunk with boys fits that description. They didn't rape her but getting drunk and laid was the point of having the party.

If I apply for a job at an office, and the drug test comes back positive, it DOES not matter who gave me the drugs or who did drugs with me, it matters that I had drugs in my system.

if a SCOTUS candidate has behaved with indifference or bias against others, it doesnt matter WHY or if the others are presumed to have 'asked for it' or 'deserved it'. It was HIS choice and HE Is the candidate. so HIS behavior is what is considered when scrutinizing HIS qualifications for the position.

so why keep talking about what kind of girl she is ASSUMED to have been when SHE is not in the running for that high political office?

wait ... what?

they have a blood and urine test from that night?

or do you mean a blood urine test from right now?

Her and her girlfriends didn't need teenage boys to get drunk. Sex was definitely on their mind. She could have been sociable at the local football games where adults were present. A lot of teenagers go to the mall, movies, bowling, etc. The point of being alone without adult supervision was so they could do wrong. Those girls knew what goes on at those parties and chose to go. One more time.. She wasn't raped. Boys tried to have sex with her. I'm sure plenty had sex. This woman sounds like a nut case.

oh, okay, bit slow on the uptake for a minute ... I get it.

Once again...he didn't rape or slip anyone a roofie. He tried to have sex with a 15 year old girl who lied to her parents to get alone with boys. No crime was committed. He was just chasing whores like horny teenage boys will do. It's not bad character. It's hormones. If he had raped her or drugged her, that would have been bad character.

So attempting a crime is not bad character UNLESS one is successful? hmmm .. okay.

Attempting a crime? Trying to have sex with a girl who lied to her parents to get alone with you isn't attempting to commit a crime. Teenagers have reputation just like adults. Girls going to those types of parties are looked at as bad girls. One more time...she wasn't RAPED OR DRUGGED. She didn't over power 2 men. They had no intentions to rape her. They just assumed she was there for what the parties are known for. They moved on to another bad girl. She went home and didn't tell her parents about her night out drinking with teenage boys.

youre funny.

when a guy attempts rape, he probably doesnt get a background check on what the girl has shared or who with, so repeatedly suggesting that unproven character assassination is kind of beside the point.

She wasn't raped or drugged. But she ALLEGES that TWO MALES corralled her into a room, and one preceded to pin her down and COVER HER MOUTH. I dont know where any one else here grew up, but that is not just how guys 'try to get some' where I was from. That instead could be seen as trying to FORCE someone into a non consensual act and trying to PREVENT them from calling for help.

I dont know what Their intentions were, but HIS intentions were probably not good IF he had to pin her down and cover her mouth. I dont really care and a court wouldnt care what a rapist or attempted rapist 'assumed', they only care about the law that says trying to force someone into sex is a crime.

What she did after, does not negate what HE did that night IF that is what he did. No amount of passing off guilt will change that it is HIS choice being scrutinized to determine HIS eligiblity for a position HE will be paid to perform.

A man is strong enough to remove a woman's clothes. That didn't happen. He grabbed the boob of a teenage girl who lied to her parents to be there. If she didn't want to be around drinking or sex, she could have been somewhere else. Most women, expect a man to make the 1st move. That doesn't = rape.

good grief.


this wasnt a guy grabbing a boob.

this was TWO guys getting a girl alone and ONE guy then pinning her down and COVERING her mouth.

that it wasnt worse does NOTHING to change what it WAS.

And she lied to her parents to get alone with them. They didn't rape her but everyone knew what they were there for. Most teenage boys chase whores. It's not new. It still happens today. They weren't at church or the library grabbing at girls. They grabbed at one who lied to get alone with them. Geeze

I have not found the law that says, "If a person is forced into sex anyplace but a library or church, it cannot be rape or assault." Let me know if anyone else

I have not seen the law that says, "If I teen lies to their parents about where they are going, and someone tries to force them into sex, it cannot be a rape or assault" but let me know if anyone else does.

I have not found the law that says, "Guys wanting sex are just guys and girls who give them what they want are whores" but let me know if someone else does.

and I have certainly not found the law that says, "Girls who have any interest in sexual activity cannot be raped or assaulted", but let me know if someone else does.

and lastly, let me know when, in a SCOTUS interview, what the actions of someone NOT RUNNING FOR SCOTUS has done becomes more relevant or significant than what the actions of the applicant THEMSELVES have been.



smh.

If a crime was committed, she should have reported it. She didn't want to get in trouble for LYING to her parents. That shows she is a liar.