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The Trump administration is expected to issue a proposal in coming weeks that would make it harder for legal immigrants to become citizens or get green cards if they have ever used a range of popular public welfare programs, including Obamacare, four sources with knowledge of the plan told NBC News. A spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security said: "The administration is committed to enforcing existing immigration law, which is clearly intended to protect the American taxpayer by ensuring that foreign nationals seeking to enter or remain in the U.S are self-sufficient. Any proposed changes would ensure that the government takes the responsibility of being good stewards of taxpayer funds seriously and adjudicates immigration benefit requests in accordance with the law." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/now-trump-administration-wants-limit-citizenship-legal-immigrants-n897931 sounds more and more like the country for the 'haves' to dominate the 'have nots' and place obstacles to them ever becoming haves themselves ... But that being said. Considering the argument posed. There is logic to the perception that we want to 'protect taxpayer funds'. I wonder why the same administration does not see have that same type of prioritizing between illegal immigrants who have cause danger (crimes) to 'taxpayers' and those who merely grew up here peacefully? Why treat all illegal immigrants the same, but divide legal immigrants into categories based on finances? |
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Now ya did it.
By morning they will re-invent the word illegal yet again. They hate that word as it so accurately describes common behavior among so many on the <. |
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The Trump administration is expected to issue a proposal in coming weeks that would make it harder for legal immigrants to become citizens or get green cards if they have ever used a range of popular public welfare programs, including Obamacare, four sources with knowledge of the plan told NBC News. A spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security said: "The administration is committed to enforcing existing immigration law, which is clearly intended to protect the American taxpayer by ensuring that foreign nationals seeking to enter or remain in the U.S are self-sufficient. Any proposed changes would ensure that the government takes the responsibility of being good stewards of taxpayer funds seriously and adjudicates immigration benefit requests in accordance with the law." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/now-trump-administration-wants-limit-citizenship-legal-immigrants-n897931 sounds more and more like the country for the 'haves' to dominate the 'have nots' and place obstacles to them ever becoming haves themselves ... But that being said. Considering the argument posed. There is logic to the perception that we want to 'protect taxpayer funds'. I wonder why the same administration does not see have that same type of prioritizing between illegal immigrants who have cause danger (crimes) to 'taxpayers' and those who merely grew up here peacefully? Why treat all illegal immigrants the same, but divide legal immigrants into categories based on finances? lol. Yes, LEGAL, so why divide LEGAL immigrants based on if they ever needed some assistance? WHy not treat them all EQUAL the way he proposes to treat ALL ILLEGALS the same. its simple consistency. if you are ILLEGAL (regardless of detail) you get deported if you are LEGAL and CURRENTLY not on assistance (regardless of detail) you should be eligible to apply for citizenship |
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By self supporting, I mean able to pay for the things you need. No handouts. It's not the USA place to fix other countries. You are right about making them not want to be here. if you are so fired up about ending all of the free handouts,how about we stop giving all of these huge multi-billion dollar corporations the CORPORATE WELFARE that the republican party has made sure that they all get,and start making sure that ALL of them finally start paying their fair share of taxes,like they are supposed to!! and,how about we stop giving all of these super wealthy people tax cuts,and start making them pay their fair share of taxes,instead of getting richer on the back of the middle class,who DIDNT receive a 2 TRILLION DOLLAR tax cut thanks to trumps tax plan. cuz,once you start adding all of THAT up,it kind of makes the handouts that you are raising so much noise about seem like pretty small potatos! I think we should start by not giving people a bigger tax refund than they paid in. lol so,when it comes to LIBERALS,and the TRULY NEEDY people that their programs help,you are willing to kick and scream about it,but when it come to REPUBLICANS,and the BILLIONAIRES they freely give TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in CORPORATE WELFARE to,,and TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of TAX BREAKS that they DONT REALLY NEED,your position is just a weak "well,lets just START with not giving people a bigger refund check than they pay in"?? that response seems a little lopsided for someone who makes so much noise about all of the 'welfare' that people in this country get,dont you think? cuz,its not the PEOPLE who are bleeding this country dry,it is the CORPORATIONS that don't pay their fair share of taxes,and the BILLIONAIRES who get TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in tax cuts that they neither need,or are really entitled to! It's their money to begin with. Without the corporations we are screwed. One less breeder means nothing. no,its not!!!! it is THE GOVERNMENTS money!!! and,they are NOT paying it to them like they are SUPPOSED TO BE,to be used for the benefit of the country,and since they are NOT paying their bills,then that just means that THE MIDDLE CLASS has to make it up out of THEIR/OUR money!! you keep talking about 'breeders',who just keep having kids,and expecting someone else/the government to pay for them.. well,these huge,multi billion dollar corporations that don't pay taxes,and expect the government/US to pay them for their corporations are the corporate equivalent of the 'breeders' that you are taking about with such disdain. so,i think that if you are so dead set against 'welfare',and social programs,then you OUGHT TO be just as dead set against CORPORATE WELFARE,too,if you are GENUINELY concerned about the economy of this country,and not just a partisian shill. BUT,it is pretty obvious that you ARENT against CORPORATE WELFARE for multibillion dollar corporations who don't really need OUR money,just any type of social programs for people who are TRULY needy that the opposition party supports,so.... I guess that it is pretty obvious to everybody that you opinions are NOT objective,and are therefore invalid! |
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By self supporting, I mean able to pay for the things you need. No handouts. It's not the USA place to fix other countries. You are right about making them not want to be here. if you are so fired up about ending all of the free handouts,how about we stop giving all of these huge multi-billion dollar corporations the CORPORATE WELFARE that the republican party has made sure that they all get,and start making sure that ALL of them finally start paying their fair share of taxes,like they are supposed to!! and,how about we stop giving all of these super wealthy people tax cuts,and start making them pay their fair share of taxes,instead of getting richer on the back of the middle class,who DIDNT receive a 2 TRILLION DOLLAR tax cut thanks to trumps tax plan. cuz,once you start adding all of THAT up,it kind of makes the handouts that you are raising so much noise about seem like pretty small potatos! I think we should start by not giving people a bigger tax refund than they paid in. lol so,when it comes to LIBERALS,and the TRULY NEEDY people that their programs help,you are willing to kick and scream about it,but when it come to REPUBLICANS,and the BILLIONAIRES they freely give TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in CORPORATE WELFARE to,,and TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of TAX BREAKS that they DONT REALLY NEED,your position is just a weak "well,lets just START with not giving people a bigger refund check than they pay in"?? that response seems a little lopsided for someone who makes so much noise about all of the 'welfare' that people in this country get,dont you think? cuz,its not the PEOPLE who are bleeding this country dry,it is the CORPORATIONS that don't pay their fair share of taxes,and the BILLIONAIRES who get TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in tax cuts that they neither need,or are really entitled to! It's their money to begin with. Without the corporations we are screwed. One less breeder means nothing. no,its not!!!! it is THE GOVERNMENTS money!!! and,they are NOT paying it to them like they are SUPPOSED TO BE,to be used for the benefit of the country,and since they are NOT paying their bills,then that just means that THE MIDDLE CLASS has to make it up out of THEIR/OUR money!! you keep talking about 'breeders',who just keep having kids,and expecting someone else/the government to pay for them.. well,these huge,multi billion dollar corporations that don't pay taxes,and expect the government/US to pay them for their corporations are the corporate equivalent of the 'breeders' that you are taking about with such disdain. so,i think that if you are so dead set against 'welfare',and social programs,then you OUGHT TO be just as dead set against CORPORATE WELFARE,too,if you are GENUINELY concerned about the economy of this country,and not just a partisian shill. BUT,it is pretty obvious that you ARENT against CORPORATE WELFARE for multibillion dollar corporations who don't really need OUR money,just any type of social programs for people who are TRULY needy that the opposition party supports,so.... I guess that it is pretty obvious to everybody that you opinions are NOT objective,and are therefore invalid! I'm objective. Without corporations you wouldn't have anything to eat today, a car to drive etc. They supply jobs that keep our families fed. They pay the majority of tax and a lot of them provide health insurance, 401ks, vacatuons, holidays, etc. What are you providing for your country? |
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By self supporting, I mean able to pay for the things you need. No handouts. It's not the USA place to fix other countries. You are right about making them not want to be here. if you are so fired up about ending all of the free handouts,how about we stop giving all of these huge multi-billion dollar corporations the CORPORATE WELFARE that the republican party has made sure that they all get,and start making sure that ALL of them finally start paying their fair share of taxes,like they are supposed to!! and,how about we stop giving all of these super wealthy people tax cuts,and start making them pay their fair share of taxes,instead of getting richer on the back of the middle class,who DIDNT receive a 2 TRILLION DOLLAR tax cut thanks to trumps tax plan. cuz,once you start adding all of THAT up,it kind of makes the handouts that you are raising so much noise about seem like pretty small potatos! I think we should start by not giving people a bigger tax refund than they paid in. lol so,when it comes to LIBERALS,and the TRULY NEEDY people that their programs help,you are willing to kick and scream about it,but when it come to REPUBLICANS,and the BILLIONAIRES they freely give TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in CORPORATE WELFARE to,,and TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of TAX BREAKS that they DONT REALLY NEED,your position is just a weak "well,lets just START with not giving people a bigger refund check than they pay in"?? that response seems a little lopsided for someone who makes so much noise about all of the 'welfare' that people in this country get,dont you think? cuz,its not the PEOPLE who are bleeding this country dry,it is the CORPORATIONS that don't pay their fair share of taxes,and the BILLIONAIRES who get TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in tax cuts that they neither need,or are really entitled to! It's their money to begin with. Without the corporations we are screwed. One less breeder means nothing. no,its not!!!! it is THE GOVERNMENTS money!!! and,they are NOT paying it to them like they are SUPPOSED TO BE,to be used for the benefit of the country,and since they are NOT paying their bills,then that just means that THE MIDDLE CLASS has to make it up out of THEIR/OUR money!! you keep talking about 'breeders',who just keep having kids,and expecting someone else/the government to pay for them.. well,these huge,multi billion dollar corporations that don't pay taxes,and expect the government/US to pay them for their corporations are the corporate equivalent of the 'breeders' that you are taking about with such disdain. so,i think that if you are so dead set against 'welfare',and social programs,then you OUGHT TO be just as dead set against CORPORATE WELFARE,too,if you are GENUINELY concerned about the economy of this country,and not just a partisian shill. BUT,it is pretty obvious that you ARENT against CORPORATE WELFARE for multibillion dollar corporations who don't really need OUR money,just any type of social programs for people who are TRULY needy that the opposition party supports,so.... I guess that it is pretty obvious to everybody that you opinions are NOT objective,and are therefore invalid! I'm objective. Without corporations you wouldn't have anything to eat today, a car to drive etc. They supply jobs that keep our families fed. They pay the majority of tax and a lot of them provide health insurance, 401ks, vacatuons, holidays, etc. What are you providing for your country? so,if they are successfully doing so much for the community,why cant they afford to exist without corporate welfare,and pay their fair share of taxes,like NORMAL successful businesses have to? [they can!!!that why they don't NEED any corporate welfare,and can afford to pay their fair share of taxes,even if it means that their top executives DONT all get multi million dollar bonuses every quarter!!] as for what I am providing for my country??.. I served in the U.S. Navy for 20 years as an air/sea rescue aviation rescue swimmer and then started a career serving my community as a firefighter,after I retired from active service. what have YOU done to serve or provide anything for your country,or community? |
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By self supporting, I mean able to pay for the things you need. No handouts. It's not the USA place to fix other countries. You are right about making them not want to be here. if you are so fired up about ending all of the free handouts,how about we stop giving all of these huge multi-billion dollar corporations the CORPORATE WELFARE that the republican party has made sure that they all get,and start making sure that ALL of them finally start paying their fair share of taxes,like they are supposed to!! and,how about we stop giving all of these super wealthy people tax cuts,and start making them pay their fair share of taxes,instead of getting richer on the back of the middle class,who DIDNT receive a 2 TRILLION DOLLAR tax cut thanks to trumps tax plan. cuz,once you start adding all of THAT up,it kind of makes the handouts that you are raising so much noise about seem like pretty small potatos! I think we should start by not giving people a bigger tax refund than they paid in. lol so,when it comes to LIBERALS,and the TRULY NEEDY people that their programs help,you are willing to kick and scream about it,but when it come to REPUBLICANS,and the BILLIONAIRES they freely give TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in CORPORATE WELFARE to,,and TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of TAX BREAKS that they DONT REALLY NEED,your position is just a weak "well,lets just START with not giving people a bigger refund check than they pay in"?? that response seems a little lopsided for someone who makes so much noise about all of the 'welfare' that people in this country get,dont you think? cuz,its not the PEOPLE who are bleeding this country dry,it is the CORPORATIONS that don't pay their fair share of taxes,and the BILLIONAIRES who get TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in tax cuts that they neither need,or are really entitled to! It's their money to begin with. Without the corporations we are screwed. One less breeder means nothing. no,its not!!!! it is THE GOVERNMENTS money!!! and,they are NOT paying it to them like they are SUPPOSED TO BE,to be used for the benefit of the country,and since they are NOT paying their bills,then that just means that THE MIDDLE CLASS has to make it up out of THEIR/OUR money!! you keep talking about 'breeders',who just keep having kids,and expecting someone else/the government to pay for them.. well,these huge,multi billion dollar corporations that don't pay taxes,and expect the government/US to pay them for their corporations are the corporate equivalent of the 'breeders' that you are taking about with such disdain. so,i think that if you are so dead set against 'welfare',and social programs,then you OUGHT TO be just as dead set against CORPORATE WELFARE,too,if you are GENUINELY concerned about the economy of this country,and not just a partisian shill. BUT,it is pretty obvious that you ARENT against CORPORATE WELFARE for multibillion dollar corporations who don't really need OUR money,just any type of social programs for people who are TRULY needy that the opposition party supports,so.... I guess that it is pretty obvious to everybody that you opinions are NOT objective,and are therefore invalid! I'm objective. Without corporations you wouldn't have anything to eat today, a car to drive etc. They supply jobs that keep our families fed. They pay the majority of tax and a lot of them provide health insurance, 401ks, vacatuons, holidays, etc. What are you providing for your country? so,if they are successfully doing so much for the community,why cant they afford to exist without corporate welfare,and pay their fair share of taxes,like NORMAL successful businesses have to? [they can!!!that why they don't NEED any corporate welfare,and can afford to pay their fair share of taxes,even if it means that their top executives DONT all get multi million dollar bonuses every quarter!!] as for what I am providing for my country??.. I served in the U.S. Navy for 20 years as an air/sea rescue aviation rescue swimmer (AIRR) and then started a career serving my community as a firefighter,after I retired from active service. what have YOU done to serve or provide anything for your country,or community? Explains why you don't know **** about business and now struggling. The military has great benefits and they will get you out of jail for work the next day. But once it's over you have to figure out how to provide the things you were use to getting for free. Let me offer some advice. Stop complaining and go to Wal-Mart and apply. If that doesn't appeal to you, go in business for yourself. But for God sakes, stop complaining about what somebody else should give you. |
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I have no idea how many times Ive thanked the Lord I am an American. I feel that was a huge gift. I am second generation on the paternal side. I have in my possession my grand parents papers coming into the country and their assimilatuon paperwork.
A family who eorked hard and passed all the good values down to us. That is not what is happening today. No one promises you everything while you sit on your azz. Except Pelosi Reid...tho gone and the entire dem party and NOW the commies. To helll with that and everyone who signs up. This is the land of...Oppourtunity. Not hand out. |
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By self supporting, I mean able to pay for the things you need. No handouts. It's not the USA place to fix other countries. You are right about making them not want to be here. if you are so fired up about ending all of the free handouts,how about we stop giving all of these huge multi-billion dollar corporations the CORPORATE WELFARE that the republican party has made sure that they all get,and start making sure that ALL of them finally start paying their fair share of taxes,like they are supposed to!! and,how about we stop giving all of these super wealthy people tax cuts,and start making them pay their fair share of taxes,instead of getting richer on the back of the middle class,who DIDNT receive a 2 TRILLION DOLLAR tax cut thanks to trumps tax plan. cuz,once you start adding all of THAT up,it kind of makes the handouts that you are raising so much noise about seem like pretty small potatos! I think we should start by not giving people a bigger tax refund than they paid in. lol so,when it comes to LIBERALS,and the TRULY NEEDY people that their programs help,you are willing to kick and scream about it,but when it come to REPUBLICANS,and the BILLIONAIRES they freely give TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in CORPORATE WELFARE to,,and TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of TAX BREAKS that they DONT REALLY NEED,your position is just a weak "well,lets just START with not giving people a bigger refund check than they pay in"?? that response seems a little lopsided for someone who makes so much noise about all of the 'welfare' that people in this country get,dont you think? cuz,its not the PEOPLE who are bleeding this country dry,it is the CORPORATIONS that don't pay their fair share of taxes,and the BILLIONAIRES who get TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in tax cuts that they neither need,or are really entitled to! It's their money to begin with. Without the corporations we are screwed. One less breeder means nothing. no,its not!!!! it is THE GOVERNMENTS money!!! and,they are NOT paying it to them like they are SUPPOSED TO BE,to be used for the benefit of the country,and since they are NOT paying their bills,then that just means that THE MIDDLE CLASS has to make it up out of THEIR/OUR money!! you keep talking about 'breeders',who just keep having kids,and expecting someone else/the government to pay for them.. well,these huge,multi billion dollar corporations that don't pay taxes,and expect the government/US to pay them for their corporations are the corporate equivalent of the 'breeders' that you are taking about with such disdain. so,i think that if you are so dead set against 'welfare',and social programs,then you OUGHT TO be just as dead set against CORPORATE WELFARE,too,if you are GENUINELY concerned about the economy of this country,and not just a partisian shill. BUT,it is pretty obvious that you ARENT against CORPORATE WELFARE for multibillion dollar corporations who don't really need OUR money,just any type of social programs for people who are TRULY needy that the opposition party supports,so.... I guess that it is pretty obvious to everybody that you opinions are NOT objective,and are therefore invalid! I'm objective. Without corporations you wouldn't have anything to eat today, a car to drive etc. They supply jobs that keep our families fed. They pay the majority of tax and a lot of them provide health insurance, 401ks, vacatuons, holidays, etc. What are you providing for your country? so,if they are successfully doing so much for the community,why cant they afford to exist without corporate welfare,and pay their fair share of taxes,like NORMAL successful businesses have to? [they can!!!that why they don't NEED any corporate welfare,and can afford to pay their fair share of taxes,even if it means that their top executives DONT all get multi million dollar bonuses every quarter!!] as for what I am providing for my country??.. I served in the U.S. Navy for 20 years as an air/sea rescue aviation rescue swimmer (AIRR) and then started a career serving my community as a firefighter,after I retired from active service. what have YOU done to serve or provide anything for your country,or community? Explains why you don't know **** about business and now struggling. The military has great benefits and they will get you out of jail for work the next day. But once it's over you have to figure out how to provide the things you were use to getting for free. Let me offer some advice. Stop complaining and go to Wal-Mart and apply. If that doesn't appeal to you, go in business for yourself. But for God sakes, stop complaining about what somebody else should give you. so,in other words,you haven't done ANYTHING to serve,or provide for your country? lol [spending ALL DAY online ranting about how the people who need help because the superwealthy 1% dont want to pay their fair share of taxes,and don't even want to pay their employees a fair,living wage are running THE REST of the country into the ground,and complaining about how the 'bleeding heart liberals' who are trying to save the rest of the country from the greedy multibillionaires who are lining their pockets at their expense should all be kicked out of the country DOESNT count as serving your country!] |
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By self supporting, I mean able to pay for the things you need. No handouts. It's not the USA place to fix other countries. You are right about making them not want to be here. if you are so fired up about ending all of the free handouts,how about we stop giving all of these huge multi-billion dollar corporations the CORPORATE WELFARE that the republican party has made sure that they all get,and start making sure that ALL of them finally start paying their fair share of taxes,like they are supposed to!! and,how about we stop giving all of these super wealthy people tax cuts,and start making them pay their fair share of taxes,instead of getting richer on the back of the middle class,who DIDNT receive a 2 TRILLION DOLLAR tax cut thanks to trumps tax plan. cuz,once you start adding all of THAT up,it kind of makes the handouts that you are raising so much noise about seem like pretty small potatos! I think we should start by not giving people a bigger tax refund than they paid in. lol so,when it comes to LIBERALS,and the TRULY NEEDY people that their programs help,you are willing to kick and scream about it,but when it come to REPUBLICANS,and the BILLIONAIRES they freely give TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in CORPORATE WELFARE to,,and TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of TAX BREAKS that they DONT REALLY NEED,your position is just a weak "well,lets just START with not giving people a bigger refund check than they pay in"?? that response seems a little lopsided for someone who makes so much noise about all of the 'welfare' that people in this country get,dont you think? cuz,its not the PEOPLE who are bleeding this country dry,it is the CORPORATIONS that don't pay their fair share of taxes,and the BILLIONAIRES who get TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in tax cuts that they neither need,or are really entitled to! It's their money to begin with. Without the corporations we are screwed. One less breeder means nothing. no,its not!!!! it is THE GOVERNMENTS money!!! and,they are NOT paying it to them like they are SUPPOSED TO BE,to be used for the benefit of the country,and since they are NOT paying their bills,then that just means that THE MIDDLE CLASS has to make it up out of THEIR/OUR money!! you keep talking about 'breeders',who just keep having kids,and expecting someone else/the government to pay for them.. well,these huge,multi billion dollar corporations that don't pay taxes,and expect the government/US to pay them for their corporations are the corporate equivalent of the 'breeders' that you are taking about with such disdain. so,i think that if you are so dead set against 'welfare',and social programs,then you OUGHT TO be just as dead set against CORPORATE WELFARE,too,if you are GENUINELY concerned about the economy of this country,and not just a partisian shill. BUT,it is pretty obvious that you ARENT against CORPORATE WELFARE for multibillion dollar corporations who don't really need OUR money,just any type of social programs for people who are TRULY needy that the opposition party supports,so.... I guess that it is pretty obvious to everybody that you opinions are NOT objective,and are therefore invalid! I'm objective. Without corporations you wouldn't have anything to eat today, a car to drive etc. They supply jobs that keep our families fed. They pay the majority of tax and a lot of them provide health insurance, 401ks, vacatuons, holidays, etc. What are you providing for your country? so,if they are successfully doing so much for the community,why cant they afford to exist without corporate welfare,and pay their fair share of taxes,like NORMAL successful businesses have to? [they can!!!that why they don't NEED any corporate welfare,and can afford to pay their fair share of taxes,even if it means that their top executives DONT all get multi million dollar bonuses every quarter!!] as for what I am providing for my country??.. I served in the U.S. Navy for 20 years as an air/sea rescue aviation rescue swimmer (AIRR) and then started a career serving my community as a firefighter,after I retired from active service. what have YOU done to serve or provide anything for your country,or community? Explains why you don't know **** about business and now struggling. The military has great benefits and they will get you out of jail for work the next day. But once it's over you have to figure out how to provide the things you were use to getting for free. Let me offer some advice. Stop complaining and go to Wal-Mart and apply. If that doesn't appeal to you, go in business for yourself. But for God sakes, stop complaining about what somebody else should give you. so,in other words,you haven't done ANYTHING to serve,or provide for your country? lol [spending ALL DAY online ranting about how the people who need help because the superwealthy 1% dont want to pay their fair share of taxes,and don't even want to pay their employees a fair,living wage are running THE REST of the country into the ground,and complaining about how the 'bleeding heart liberals' who are trying to save the rest of the country from the greedy multibillionaires who are lining their pockets at their expense should all be kicked out of the country DOESNT count as serving your country!] Two years ago when my son in law got out of the military, I gave him and my daughter a free home to raise my grandkids in. I paid for that home working for the corporations you are complaining about. They gave me and my family a decent living. I was able to work as much as I wanted and put that money in investments. I start a new job Monday. It has great benefits and nice pay. The people crying about healthcare and foodstamps need to apply. Lots of places hiring. The recession is over. One thing I've learned about working for myself is you don't get all the benefits the corporations provide. Starting Monday, I will have medical, dental, and vision. I know that doesn't mean much to the breeders. Medicaid takes care of them. But it means a lot to productive members of society. |
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By self supporting, I mean able to pay for the things you need. No handouts. It's not the USA place to fix other countries. You are right about making them not want to be here. if you are so fired up about ending all of the free handouts,how about we stop giving all of these huge multi-billion dollar corporations the CORPORATE WELFARE that the republican party has made sure that they all get,and start making sure that ALL of them finally start paying their fair share of taxes,like they are supposed to!! and,how about we stop giving all of these super wealthy people tax cuts,and start making them pay their fair share of taxes,instead of getting richer on the back of the middle class,who DIDNT receive a 2 TRILLION DOLLAR tax cut thanks to trumps tax plan. cuz,once you start adding all of THAT up,it kind of makes the handouts that you are raising so much noise about seem like pretty small potatos! I think we should start by not giving people a bigger tax refund than they paid in. lol so,when it comes to LIBERALS,and the TRULY NEEDY people that their programs help,you are willing to kick and scream about it,but when it come to REPUBLICANS,and the BILLIONAIRES they freely give TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in CORPORATE WELFARE to,,and TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of TAX BREAKS that they DONT REALLY NEED,your position is just a weak "well,lets just START with not giving people a bigger refund check than they pay in"?? that response seems a little lopsided for someone who makes so much noise about all of the 'welfare' that people in this country get,dont you think? cuz,its not the PEOPLE who are bleeding this country dry,it is the CORPORATIONS that don't pay their fair share of taxes,and the BILLIONAIRES who get TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in tax cuts that they neither need,or are really entitled to! It's their money to begin with. Without the corporations we are screwed. One less breeder means nothing. no,its not!!!! it is THE GOVERNMENTS money!!! and,they are NOT paying it to them like they are SUPPOSED TO BE,to be used for the benefit of the country,and since they are NOT paying their bills,then that just means that THE MIDDLE CLASS has to make it up out of THEIR/OUR money!! you keep talking about 'breeders',who just keep having kids,and expecting someone else/the government to pay for them.. well,these huge,multi billion dollar corporations that don't pay taxes,and expect the government/US to pay them for their corporations are the corporate equivalent of the 'breeders' that you are taking about with such disdain. so,i think that if you are so dead set against 'welfare',and social programs,then you OUGHT TO be just as dead set against CORPORATE WELFARE,too,if you are GENUINELY concerned about the economy of this country,and not just a partisian shill. BUT,it is pretty obvious that you ARENT against CORPORATE WELFARE for multibillion dollar corporations who don't really need OUR money,just any type of social programs for people who are TRULY needy that the opposition party supports,so.... I guess that it is pretty obvious to everybody that you opinions are NOT objective,and are therefore invalid! I'm objective. Without corporations you wouldn't have anything to eat today, a car to drive etc. They supply jobs that keep our families fed. They pay the majority of tax and a lot of them provide health insurance, 401ks, vacatuons, holidays, etc. What are you providing for your country? so,if they are successfully doing so much for the community,why cant they afford to exist without corporate welfare,and pay their fair share of taxes,like NORMAL successful businesses have to? [they can!!!that why they don't NEED any corporate welfare,and can afford to pay their fair share of taxes,even if it means that their top executives DONT all get multi million dollar bonuses every quarter!!] as for what I am providing for my country??.. I served in the U.S. Navy for 20 years as an air/sea rescue aviation rescue swimmer (AIRR) and then started a career serving my community as a firefighter,after I retired from active service. what have YOU done to serve or provide anything for your country,or community? Explains why you don't know **** about business and now struggling. The military has great benefits and they will get you out of jail for work the next day. But once it's over you have to figure out how to provide the things you were use to getting for free. Let me offer some advice. Stop complaining and go to Wal-Mart and apply. If that doesn't appeal to you, go in business for yourself. But for God sakes, stop complaining about what somebody else should give you. so,in other words,you haven't done ANYTHING to serve,or provide for your country? lol [spending ALL DAY online ranting about how the people who need help because the superwealthy 1% dont want to pay their fair share of taxes,and don't even want to pay their employees a fair,living wage are running THE REST of the country into the ground,and complaining about how the 'bleeding heart liberals' who are trying to save the rest of the country from the greedy multibillionaires who are lining their pockets at their expense should all be kicked out of the country DOESNT count as serving your country!] Two years ago when my son in law got out of the military, I gave him and my daughter a free home to raise my grandkids in. I paid for that home working for the corporations you are complaining about. They gave me and my family a decent living. I was able to work as much as I wanted and put that money in investments. I start a new job Monday. It has great benefits and nice pay. The people crying about healthcare and foodstamps need to apply. Lots of places hiring. The recession is over. One thing I've learned about working for myself is you don't get all the benefits the corporations provide. Starting Monday, I will have medical, dental, and vision. I know that doesn't mean much to the breeders. Medicaid takes care of them. But it means a lot to productive members of society. so,you claim that 'breeders' are worthless and harmful to society because they have to take handouts,and need help to be able to afford to raise their children?? and,you also say that you gave your son in law,and daughter the handout of a free house to help them out so that he would have a place to raise his children??? hhhmmmm.....????? |
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By self supporting, I mean able to pay for the things you need. No handouts. It's not the USA place to fix other countries. You are right about making them not want to be here. if you are so fired up about ending all of the free handouts,how about we stop giving all of these huge multi-billion dollar corporations the CORPORATE WELFARE that the republican party has made sure that they all get,and start making sure that ALL of them finally start paying their fair share of taxes,like they are supposed to!! and,how about we stop giving all of these super wealthy people tax cuts,and start making them pay their fair share of taxes,instead of getting richer on the back of the middle class,who DIDNT receive a 2 TRILLION DOLLAR tax cut thanks to trumps tax plan. cuz,once you start adding all of THAT up,it kind of makes the handouts that you are raising so much noise about seem like pretty small potatos! I think we should start by not giving people a bigger tax refund than they paid in. lol so,when it comes to LIBERALS,and the TRULY NEEDY people that their programs help,you are willing to kick and scream about it,but when it come to REPUBLICANS,and the BILLIONAIRES they freely give TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in CORPORATE WELFARE to,,and TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of TAX BREAKS that they DONT REALLY NEED,your position is just a weak "well,lets just START with not giving people a bigger refund check than they pay in"?? that response seems a little lopsided for someone who makes so much noise about all of the 'welfare' that people in this country get,dont you think? cuz,its not the PEOPLE who are bleeding this country dry,it is the CORPORATIONS that don't pay their fair share of taxes,and the BILLIONAIRES who get TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in tax cuts that they neither need,or are really entitled to! It's their money to begin with. Without the corporations we are screwed. One less breeder means nothing. no,its not!!!! it is THE GOVERNMENTS money!!! and,they are NOT paying it to them like they are SUPPOSED TO BE,to be used for the benefit of the country,and since they are NOT paying their bills,then that just means that THE MIDDLE CLASS has to make it up out of THEIR/OUR money!! you keep talking about 'breeders',who just keep having kids,and expecting someone else/the government to pay for them.. well,these huge,multi billion dollar corporations that don't pay taxes,and expect the government/US to pay them for their corporations are the corporate equivalent of the 'breeders' that you are taking about with such disdain. so,i think that if you are so dead set against 'welfare',and social programs,then you OUGHT TO be just as dead set against CORPORATE WELFARE,too,if you are GENUINELY concerned about the economy of this country,and not just a partisian shill. BUT,it is pretty obvious that you ARENT against CORPORATE WELFARE for multibillion dollar corporations who don't really need OUR money,just any type of social programs for people who are TRULY needy that the opposition party supports,so.... I guess that it is pretty obvious to everybody that you opinions are NOT objective,and are therefore invalid! I'm objective. Without corporations you wouldn't have anything to eat today, a car to drive etc. They supply jobs that keep our families fed. They pay the majority of tax and a lot of them provide health insurance, 401ks, vacatuons, holidays, etc. What are you providing for your country? so,if they are successfully doing so much for the community,why cant they afford to exist without corporate welfare,and pay their fair share of taxes,like NORMAL successful businesses have to? [they can!!!that why they don't NEED any corporate welfare,and can afford to pay their fair share of taxes,even if it means that their top executives DONT all get multi million dollar bonuses every quarter!!] as for what I am providing for my country??.. I served in the U.S. Navy for 20 years as an air/sea rescue aviation rescue swimmer (AIRR) and then started a career serving my community as a firefighter,after I retired from active service. what have YOU done to serve or provide anything for your country,or community? Explains why you don't know **** about business and now struggling. The military has great benefits and they will get you out of jail for work the next day. But once it's over you have to figure out how to provide the things you were use to getting for free. Let me offer some advice. Stop complaining and go to Wal-Mart and apply. If that doesn't appeal to you, go in business for yourself. But for God sakes, stop complaining about what somebody else should give you. so,in other words,you haven't done ANYTHING to serve,or provide for your country? lol [spending ALL DAY online ranting about how the people who need help because the superwealthy 1% dont want to pay their fair share of taxes,and don't even want to pay their employees a fair,living wage are running THE REST of the country into the ground,and complaining about how the 'bleeding heart liberals' who are trying to save the rest of the country from the greedy multibillionaires who are lining their pockets at their expense should all be kicked out of the country DOESNT count as serving your country!] Two years ago when my son in law got out of the military, I gave him and my daughter a free home to raise my grandkids in. I paid for that home working for the corporations you are complaining about. They gave me and my family a decent living. I was able to work as much as I wanted and put that money in investments. I start a new job Monday. It has great benefits and nice pay. The people crying about healthcare and foodstamps need to apply. Lots of places hiring. The recession is over. One thing I've learned about working for myself is you don't get all the benefits the corporations provide. Starting Monday, I will have medical, dental, and vision. I know that doesn't mean much to the breeders. Medicaid takes care of them. But it means a lot to productive members of society. so,you claim that 'breeders' are worthless and harmful to society because they have to take handouts,and need help to be able to afford to raise their children?? and,you also say that you gave your son in law,and daughter the handout of a free house to help them out so that he would have a place to raise his children??? hhhmmmm.....????? Breeder should take all the help offered from parents. Problem is most breeders come from breeders who live off the tax payer dime. My son in law works everyday and pays taxes. Two weeks ago he told me he is worried they aren't taking out enough and he will have to pay at tax time. Yes I think breeders need to get off their ***** and get a job. Support their own kids, pay their own mortgage (instead of section 8), and being able to help their grown kids would be nice also. I have a family of my own to take care of. Most tax payers have somebody to help. A child, aging parent. It is nice Trump gave tax cuts so we can do that. We get to choose what we do with that money. |
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And that is the bottom line, not that people need help, just that people who have family and friends that can help are somehow better than people who come from families that cant and therefore need to temporarily resort to 'taxpayer money'
the rhetoric about character is just that, help is help. its about CLASSISM regarding who can turn to family and who cant. |
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By self supporting, I mean able to pay for the things you need. No handouts. It's not the USA place to fix other countries. You are right about making them not want to be here. if you are so fired up about ending all of the free handouts,how about we stop giving all of these huge multi-billion dollar corporations the CORPORATE WELFARE that the republican party has made sure that they all get,and start making sure that ALL of them finally start paying their fair share of taxes,like they are supposed to!! and,how about we stop giving all of these super wealthy people tax cuts,and start making them pay their fair share of taxes,instead of getting richer on the back of the middle class,who DIDNT receive a 2 TRILLION DOLLAR tax cut thanks to trumps tax plan. cuz,once you start adding all of THAT up,it kind of makes the handouts that you are raising so much noise about seem like pretty small potatos! I think we should start by not giving people a bigger tax refund than they paid in. lol so,when it comes to LIBERALS,and the TRULY NEEDY people that their programs help,you are willing to kick and scream about it,but when it come to REPUBLICANS,and the BILLIONAIRES they freely give TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in CORPORATE WELFARE to,,and TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of TAX BREAKS that they DONT REALLY NEED,your position is just a weak "well,lets just START with not giving people a bigger refund check than they pay in"?? that response seems a little lopsided for someone who makes so much noise about all of the 'welfare' that people in this country get,dont you think? cuz,its not the PEOPLE who are bleeding this country dry,it is the CORPORATIONS that don't pay their fair share of taxes,and the BILLIONAIRES who get TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in tax cuts that they neither need,or are really entitled to! It's their money to begin with. Without the corporations we are screwed. One less breeder means nothing. no,its not!!!! it is THE GOVERNMENTS money!!! and,they are NOT paying it to them like they are SUPPOSED TO BE,to be used for the benefit of the country,and since they are NOT paying their bills,then that just means that THE MIDDLE CLASS has to make it up out of THEIR/OUR money!! you keep talking about 'breeders',who just keep having kids,and expecting someone else/the government to pay for them.. well,these huge,multi billion dollar corporations that don't pay taxes,and expect the government/US to pay them for their corporations are the corporate equivalent of the 'breeders' that you are taking about with such disdain. so,i think that if you are so dead set against 'welfare',and social programs,then you OUGHT TO be just as dead set against CORPORATE WELFARE,too,if you are GENUINELY concerned about the economy of this country,and not just a partisian shill. BUT,it is pretty obvious that you ARENT against CORPORATE WELFARE for multibillion dollar corporations who don't really need OUR money,just any type of social programs for people who are TRULY needy that the opposition party supports,so.... I guess that it is pretty obvious to everybody that you opinions are NOT objective,and are therefore invalid! I'm objective. Without corporations you wouldn't have anything to eat today, a car to drive etc. They supply jobs that keep our families fed. They pay the majority of tax and a lot of them provide health insurance, 401ks, vacatuons, holidays, etc. What are you providing for your country? so,if they are successfully doing so much for the community,why cant they afford to exist without corporate welfare,and pay their fair share of taxes,like NORMAL successful businesses have to? [they can!!!that why they don't NEED any corporate welfare,and can afford to pay their fair share of taxes,even if it means that their top executives DONT all get multi million dollar bonuses every quarter!!] as for what I am providing for my country??.. I served in the U.S. Navy for 20 years as an air/sea rescue aviation rescue swimmer (AIRR) and then started a career serving my community as a firefighter,after I retired from active service. what have YOU done to serve or provide anything for your country,or community? Explains why you don't know **** about business and now struggling. The military has great benefits and they will get you out of jail for work the next day. But once it's over you have to figure out how to provide the things you were use to getting for free. Let me offer some advice. Stop complaining and go to Wal-Mart and apply. If that doesn't appeal to you, go in business for yourself. But for God sakes, stop complaining about what somebody else should give you. so,in other words,you haven't done ANYTHING to serve,or provide for your country? lol [spending ALL DAY online ranting about how the people who need help because the superwealthy 1% dont want to pay their fair share of taxes,and don't even want to pay their employees a fair,living wage are running THE REST of the country into the ground,and complaining about how the 'bleeding heart liberals' who are trying to save the rest of the country from the greedy multibillionaires who are lining their pockets at their expense should all be kicked out of the country DOESNT count as serving your country!] Two years ago when my son in law got out of the military, I gave him and my daughter a free home to raise my grandkids in. I paid for that home working for the corporations you are complaining about. They gave me and my family a decent living. I was able to work as much as I wanted and put that money in investments. I start a new job Monday. It has great benefits and nice pay. The people crying about healthcare and foodstamps need to apply. Lots of places hiring. The recession is over. One thing I've learned about working for myself is you don't get all the benefits the corporations provide. Starting Monday, I will have medical, dental, and vision. I know that doesn't mean much to the breeders. Medicaid takes care of them. But it means a lot to productive members of society. so,you claim that 'breeders' are worthless and harmful to society because they have to take handouts,and need help to be able to afford to raise their children?? and,you also say that you gave your son in law,and daughter the handout of a free house to help them out so that he would have a place to raise his children??? hhhmmmm.....????? Breeder should take all the help offered from parents. Problem is most breeders come from breeders who live off the tax payer dime. My son in law works everyday and pays taxes. Two weeks ago he told me he is worried they aren't taking out enough and he will have to pay at tax time. Yes I think breeders need to get off their ***** and get a job. Support their own kids, pay their own mortgage (instead of section 8), and being able to help their grown kids would be nice also. I have a family of my own to take care of. Most tax payers have somebody to help. A child, aging parent. It is nice Trump gave tax cuts so we can do that. We get to choose what we do with that money. LOTS of people work every day and pay taxes,and STILL cant afford to live,and raise heir children without help!! maybe that is because they are paying MORE than their fair share of taxes,because he superwealthy,and multi billion dollar corporations ARENT PAYING THEIRS,and then the burden of making up those differences falls onto the backs of the middle class,taking the money they need to raise their children away from them... taking the money that SHOULD be going to pay for school taxes so that their children can get the education they need to succeed in todays world.... maybe that is because the super wealthy,and multi billion dollar corporations are buying and paying for their republican politicians to strike down laws that enable things like labor unions that make sure that people who work everyday can earn a living wage,and can afford to raise,and support their families,so that they can get EVEN RICHER,at the expense of the middle class,who DESPERATELY need those tax cuts A LOT MORE than multibillion dollar corporations need them,so that they can afford to give their executives multimillion dollar bonuses every year,or even every quarter! America still IS the land of opportunity,but,thanks to the trump,and the republicans,the opportunities are now only for the wealthiest people,not for the middle class people who make up the greatest part of the country,who work every day,and STILL cant afford health insurance for their children,or to send them to college,and are living paycheck to paycheck. |
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How have Trump tax cuts made yours go up? I don't see schools doing without. Property taxes are up that gives them more revenue. Companies are expanding so each individual might be paying less but more people are working....that was his plan.
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I see a lot of privileged people complaining about things that some of us cherish.
Did you ever hide under a stinky tarp in a bush in a thunderstorm at night, so hungry you would eat nearly anything, cold and shivering, scared of the night, the storm and tomorrow? How many of you lived under a bridge, bathing in a river, raiding gardens, stealing trash for a bed? How many of you had someone, anyone that gave a damn about you and whether you lived or died? How many of you know what it feels like to slowly die from malnutrition? How many of you browse-shopped local stores during a winter snow storm just so you had shelter from the cold? Did you know you can't get welfare with out an address? Did you know that even a hospital will kick you out if you're not a patient with the ability to pay? Did you know that most churches will not help without conditions. Did you know that you can be qualified and willing to do a job and still not get hired because your clothing is dirty, worn & torn, you need a haircut or you stink? Were you aware that opportunity is only available to those with the ability to meet its conditions? How many of you have pulled yourself up from barely surviving to thriving completely on your own? Everyone gets help from someone, somehow. One last thing... How many of you with similar experiences that did find a way to thrive, taught their family how to avoid those situations and provide opportunity for your kids so they have a chance at life? Chances are, all of you. Its called "breaking the cycle". This is something most privileged people can't grasp. |
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Bwahahaha
Are you kidding? All kids get to go to school. Period. What they make of that...and..and now add to it with AP classes...free tech schools mind you. Get a grip. Its out there. Corps not paying taxes? Name a few for us. Not paying their fair share when they pay almost all? Bwahahahaha True. Got a job couple kids some debt and stillsinking...yeah yeah yeah Get another job! Maybe a 3rd. Raised my son on 1 full 2 pt jobs and put my partner through college. Your argument is built on gas...the Taco Bell type. |
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Bwahahaha Are you kidding? All kids get to go to school. Period. What they make of that...and..and now add to it with AP classes...free tech schools mind you. Get a grip. Its out there. Corps not paying taxes? Name a few for us. Not paying their fair share when they pay almost all? Bwahahahaha True. Got a job couple kids some debt and stillsinking...yeah yeah yeah Get another job! Maybe a 3rd. Raised my son on 1 full 2 pt jobs and put my partner through college. Your argument is built on gas...the Taco Bell type. name a few?.... you are on here running your mouth so much like you are an expert on the subject of american economics,i would think that you would know something as basic as THIS,WITHOUT having to get other people to do your research for you!! but,not a problem!! https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meet-the-18-companies-that-paid-no-taxes-over-8-years/ "Below are 18 highly profitable companies that paid NO federal income tax from 2008-2015, according to ITEP. Many of them are in the energy sector. 1.Pepco Holdings 2.PG&E Corp. [Pacific GAS & ENERGY] 3.Wisconsin Energy 4.NiSource 5.International Paper 6.FirstEnergy 7.Priceline.com 8.Amos Energy 9.General Electric 10.American Electric Power 11.Ryder System 12.Duke Energy 13.NextEra Energy 14.Xcel Energy 15.Ameren 16.CMS Energy 17.Sempra Energy 18.Eversource Energy" when HUGELY SUCCESSFUL,MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES like PACIFIC GAS&ELECTRIC,and GENERAL ELECTRIC arent paying ANY income tax at all,there is something wrong with that system!! and,isnt it a funny coincidence that there are so many of them in THE ENERGY SECTOR?? gee,i wonder why THAT is?? and,this is just the FIRST LIST that came up on google,there are LOTS MORE lists,with A LOT MORE companies that paid ZERO DOLLARS in federal income tax,like GENERAL MOTORS,XEROX,and AMERICAN AIRLINES,just to name a few!! https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/03/07/27-giant-profitable-companies-paid-no-taxes/81399094/ [27 giant profitable companies that paid no taxes] https://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/news/2017/03/09/178-billion-in-profits-no-taxes-paid.html [178 BILLION dollars in profits-NO TAXES PAID] i could go on and on,but,you get the point! THIS IS BILLIONS,and TRILLIONS of DOLLARS WORTH OF TAXES THAT ARENT BEING PAID!!! [and if THEY dont pay them,who do you think has to make up the difference??? [ts the MIDDLE CLASS!!] and,the republicans/trumps plan is TO GIVE THEM MORE TAX BREAKS???? if companieslike THESE were paying their fair share of taxes,then the rest of the country wouldnt have to pay THEIR share of THEIR TAXES,ALONG WITH THEIR OWN!!!! now,what can YOU offer to this discussion to try to disprove the evidence i have so easily offered THAT ISNT JUST YOUR OPINION,WITHOUT ANY FACTS TO BACK THEM UP?? as the old saying goes...'put up,or shut up!' [and,please,show your work/sources!!] or,is YOUR argument just 'taco bell gas'? |
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You just make me laugh.
Because through the Obama years these companies assume maybe less than zero taxes pd...all because of moving profits overseas....... Making it impossible to detect all their profits....lmao Go vote.. Your here instead of talking to someone who has the power to change it. Go figure. I dont write tax code. |
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Use a microsoft computer? An Apple...use any of those products from those horrible tax loop hole corporations?
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