Topic: Land of opportunity ...Hmmmm
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Fri 08/10/18 08:50 PM
Edited by indianadave4 on Fri 08/10/18 08:54 PM
Land of opportunity ...Hmmmm


Those who claim AI technology is the next big step forward claim this is just like the 18th century industrial revolution. However:

1. Newer jobs supporting AI are not appearing as fast as the old are disappearing.
2. Our nation has boat loads of jobs but most present day citizens do not have the education to step into most of these positions. I'm retired but still have people contacting me to work for them.
3. It is impossible to educate an entire nation to be engineers and technicians. Not enough room in colleges, most can't pay and our government is living on the brink of insolvency as it is.
4. Engineering, producing and maintaining AI machines always requires a fraction of the people they replace. I worked for an electronics manufacturer for 35 years and I saw this first hand. Where the company had 950 employees by the time I left there were fewer than 400.

No I'm not Amish but this is a problem. My education and career was in engineering and I have experience with AI. During the early 70's Detroit lost hundreds of thousands of employees most of whom could only find meager paying jobs at best for the rest of their lives. Lot's of these positions were replaced by robots (a form of AI).

This will only exacerbate the walls between the have's and the have not's and some of the have's will become have not's. Not trying to be Chief-rain-in-the-face but this could raise real social unrest over the next 25 years.

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Fri 08/10/18 09:28 PM








United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

Google it!

It's all on tv. They should be getting thousands $$$$. All the supporters out there in US.





alot more people dont watch TV anymore. So I did have to google it.

Kudos to them doing good work in 128 countries for almost 70 years now.




The people I know watch TV. Even my 91,yr old Auntie !!! :smile:


I have alot of younger people in my family, none of them watch TV ,they all use streaming. I happen to only use streaming myself

About six-in-ten of those ages 18 to 29 (61%) say the primary way they watch television now is with streaming services on the internet, compared with 31% who say they mostly watch via a cable or satellite subscription and 5% who mainly watch with a digital antenna, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in August.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/13/about-6-in-10-young-adults-in-u-s-primarily-use-online-streaming-to-watch-tv/





There are plenty people ALL ages watching TV. ! You even order movies from TV. Also Dish has many channels.

Plus streaming maybe a cheaper way. Cable is Expensive.


Younger people like iPhones maybe better but they TEXT often.
Teens , parents probably pay for that.


BTW cannot people stream News !!! :smile:


I put up the numbers already. most 19-29 year olds are NOT watching TV. and yes, you can stream just about anything.

and gaming systems and phones which now allow streaming services are much more popular with the young than sitting in front of a box watching commercials.






:smile: Yes I have noticed. Many of your Numbers on many Topics!

Can't say they are CORRECT though.




only as much or more as random unsupported numbers and opinions in any thread ...

but at least there is a relevant source by which to verify the information



If NUMBERS aren't CORRECT then it's not VERIFYING. Correctly.


msharmony's photo
Fri 08/10/18 11:23 PM









United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

Google it!

It's all on tv. They should be getting thousands $$$$. All the supporters out there in US.





alot more people dont watch TV anymore. So I did have to google it.

Kudos to them doing good work in 128 countries for almost 70 years now.




The people I know watch TV. Even my 91,yr old Auntie !!! :smile:


I have alot of younger people in my family, none of them watch TV ,they all use streaming. I happen to only use streaming myself

About six-in-ten of those ages 18 to 29 (61%) say the primary way they watch television now is with streaming services on the internet, compared with 31% who say they mostly watch via a cable or satellite subscription and 5% who mainly watch with a digital antenna, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in August.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/13/about-6-in-10-young-adults-in-u-s-primarily-use-online-streaming-to-watch-tv/





There are plenty people ALL ages watching TV. ! You even order movies from TV. Also Dish has many channels.

Plus streaming maybe a cheaper way. Cable is Expensive.


Younger people like iPhones maybe better but they TEXT often.
Teens , parents probably pay for that.


BTW cannot people stream News !!! :smile:


I put up the numbers already. most 19-29 year olds are NOT watching TV. and yes, you can stream just about anything.

and gaming systems and phones which now allow streaming services are much more popular with the young than sitting in front of a box watching commercials.






:smile: Yes I have noticed. Many of your Numbers on many Topics!

Can't say they are CORRECT though.




only as much or more as random unsupported numbers and opinions in any thread ...

but at least there is a relevant source by which to verify the information



If NUMBERS aren't CORRECT then it's not VERIFYING. Correctly.




thats right. thats the point. and why so many welfare bashers and trump supporters rarely provide any ....

unlike I clearly do and have done. Regardless of whether others want to erroneously declare numbers not correct without providing the correct numbers or the reason the sourced numbers are wrong.


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Sat 08/11/18 01:13 AM
Edited by indianadave4 on Sat 08/11/18 01:16 AM
2016: the four national news media and major democrat's said if Donald Trump becomes the republican candidate wall street will crash.

2017. wall street experiences major upturn. The four national news media and major democrat's claim it has nothing to do with President Trump.

2018 (February): wall street corrections take place. The four national news media and major democrat's claim it's all President Trump's fault.

Economy is gathering steam, job market is picking up, President stood up to Kim Jung Un, Russiagate has stalled and searching for things to accuse the President on, etc.

Would those who hate the President and feel he's such a crook please provide more than continuous, baseless, accusations? Facts, proof, etc. If Russiagate had real evidence some would have been leaked to the press a long time ago. The nature of Washington.

The national news media are use to swaying what the country hears and believes. In 2016 the American people said "we don't trust the news anymore and will vote for what we feel is good for the Country". Is Trump perfect: no. However, We don't want the globalist government and financial systems that Clinton, Bush and Obama were pushed us into.

Our nation has forgotten the socialist history lessons of the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Cuba, North Vietnam, North Korea and Moe Tse Dong's China were like. Do we have room to improve: yes. But socialism has proven to be a big failure.

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Sat 08/11/18 02:04 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 08/11/18 02:06 AM
We are not becoming USSR or China or any of those other places.

And I hear you with media manipulation. REmember in 2012 when Trump hailed how Clinton was great presidential material, and in 2016 that she was a crook?

Remember how he said there were no meetings with Russia, until he said there was?

Remember how he said he didnt know about payment to Stormy, until it was revealed he did?

REmember the four or five groups that he swore would do so well with him that went bankrupt?


Remember when he said he liked the Obamacare mandate, and then he didnt?



etc,, etc,, etc,,,


flipping things for personal favorable outcomes is rampant in politics AND business. We are a part of the global community, we can keep fighting it and fall behind or we can embrace it and be a part of improving it.



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Sat 08/11/18 05:01 AM






United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

Google it!

It's all on tv. They should be getting thousands $$$$. All the supporters out there in US.





alot more people dont watch TV anymore. So I did have to google it.

Kudos to them doing good work in 128 countries for almost 70 years now.




The people I know watch TV. Even my 91,yr old Auntie !!! :smile:


I have alot of younger people in my family, none of them watch TV ,they all use streaming. I happen to only use streaming myself

About six-in-ten of those ages 18 to 29 (61%) say the primary way they watch television now is with streaming services on the internet, compared with 31% who say they mostly watch via a cable or satellite subscription and 5% who mainly watch with a digital antenna, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in August.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/13/about-6-in-10-young-adults-in-u-s-primarily-use-online-streaming-to-watch-tv/


You cheery picked out one age group.. the highest percentage group to make the argument look good.. When you add in the other age groups the overall average is 28%

28%https://decider.com/2017/09/26/quarter-of-americans-stream-tv/





I didnt cherry pick. I posted what I meant. Alot of people are now using streaming and not watching TV, particularly those ages 18-49 who I imagine would be those looking for work.





Well, it sure appears.. you did.. because if you look at the overall percentage 72% do in fact watch t.v. 3 out of 4. but that did not fit your argument.. so it was not posted.

which is.. cherry picking.


msharmony's photo
Sat 08/11/18 10:59 AM







United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

Google it!

It's all on tv. They should be getting thousands $$$$. All the supporters out there in US.





alot more people dont watch TV anymore. So I did have to google it.

Kudos to them doing good work in 128 countries for almost 70 years now.




The people I know watch TV. Even my 91,yr old Auntie !!! :smile:


I have alot of younger people in my family, none of them watch TV ,they all use streaming. I happen to only use streaming myself

About six-in-ten of those ages 18 to 29 (61%) say the primary way they watch television now is with streaming services on the internet, compared with 31% who say they mostly watch via a cable or satellite subscription and 5% who mainly watch with a digital antenna, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in August.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/13/about-6-in-10-young-adults-in-u-s-primarily-use-online-streaming-to-watch-tv/


You cheery picked out one age group.. the highest percentage group to make the argument look good.. When you add in the other age groups the overall average is 28%

28%https://decider.com/2017/09/26/quarter-of-americans-stream-tv/





I didnt cherry pick. I posted what I meant. Alot of people are now using streaming and not watching TV, particularly those ages 18-49 who I imagine would be those looking for work.





Well, it sure appears.. you did.. because if you look at the overall percentage 72% do in fact watch t.v. 3 out of 4. but that did not fit your argument.. so it was not posted.

which is.. cherry picking.




I was in a conversation about people looking for jobs, so I was relating it to people that would be in the age to need to look. THat is not including elderly and retired, which are included in the TV numbers and the largest percentage (most did not grow up with or trust gadgets as much as the television)

so yeah. I focused on those who would be looking for jobs and the resources they would look at. And to use your own logic, I said nothing that was untrue... right?



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Sat 08/11/18 12:58 PM








United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

Google it!

It's all on tv. They should be getting thousands $$$$. All the supporters out there in US.





alot more people dont watch TV anymore. So I did have to google it.

Kudos to them doing good work in 128 countries for almost 70 years now.




The people I know watch TV. Even my 91,yr old Auntie !!! :smile:


I have alot of younger people in my family, none of them watch TV ,they all use streaming. I happen to only use streaming myself

About six-in-ten of those ages 18 to 29 (61%) say the primary way they watch television now is with streaming services on the internet, compared with 31% who say they mostly watch via a cable or satellite subscription and 5% who mainly watch with a digital antenna, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in August.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/13/about-6-in-10-young-adults-in-u-s-primarily-use-online-streaming-to-watch-tv/


You cheery picked out one age group.. the highest percentage group to make the argument look good.. When you add in the other age groups the overall average is 28%

28%https://decider.com/2017/09/26/quarter-of-americans-stream-tv/





I didnt cherry pick. I posted what I meant. Alot of people are now using streaming and not watching TV, particularly those ages 18-49 who I imagine would be those looking for work.





Well, it sure appears.. you did.. because if you look at the overall percentage 72% do in fact watch t.v. 3 out of 4. but that did not fit your argument.. so it was not posted.

which is.. cherry picking.




I was in a conversation about people looking for jobs, so I was relating it to people that would be in the age to need to look. THat is not including elderly and retired, which are included in the TV numbers and the largest percentage (most did not grow up with or trust gadgets as much as the television)

so yeah. I focused on those who would be looking for jobs and the resources they would look at. And to use your own logic, I said nothing that was untrue... right?





Hmm. really.

well if the 28% can't find the jobs because they are streaming wouldn't it be better to join the majority (72%) who are seeing the jobs

Because jobs are at a all time high.. it would appear that those who are streaming are missing.. a lot... right.

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Sat 08/11/18 02:43 PM
Edited by Charles1962150 on Sat 08/11/18 02:47 PM
I hope I'm putting this in the right thread.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ap-fact-check-trumps-economic-121232683.html

That's why I don't post to these threads very often. Too many people like to post what they think they know with nothing to back up what they claim.

Which to me is like trying to argue with a 5-year old that really believes what they are saying is true. Even though they can't back up what they say with facts. And I will say it again, mrsHarmoney, I don't see how you do it.

I'm not saying you are right all the time. But you give people facts. They usually refuse to believe it, or they have some smart-mouthed, azz hole something to say back. You have way more patience than I do. If everyone could debate like you and I have these threads would be so much better off for it.

In my little town, since Trump took over being prez, 5 businesses have closed. One is still partially open but has stopped selling gas. The guy that owns the place says that gas is too high for him to buy and resell. Business for others that are still open has dropped dramatically.

The higher the food and gas prices go, the more people stay at home. The money isn't flowing like Trump wants everyone to believe. Except for the Trump followers who drink his koolade and believe his bullshyt.


BlakeIAM's photo
Sat 08/11/18 02:51 PM

2016: the four national news media and major democrat's said if Donald Trump becomes the republican candidate wall street will crash.

2017. wall street experiences major upturn. The four national news media and major democrat's claim it has nothing to do with President Trump.

2018 (February): wall street corrections take place. The four national news media and major democrat's claim it's all President Trump's fault.

Economy is gathering steam, job market is picking up, President stood up to Kim Jung Un, Russiagate has stalled and searching for things to accuse the President on, etc.

Would those who hate the President and feel he's such a crook please provide more than continuous, baseless, accusations? Facts, proof, etc. If Russiagate had real evidence some would have been leaked to the press a long time ago. The nature of Washington.

The national news media are use to swaying what the country hears and believes. In 2016 the American people said "we don't trust the news anymore and will vote for what we feel is good for the Country". Is Trump perfect: no. However, We don't want the globalist government and financial systems that Clinton, Bush and Obama were pushed us into.

Our nation has forgotten the socialist history lessons of the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Cuba, North Vietnam, North Korea and Moe Tse Dong's China were like. Do we have room to improve: yes. But socialism has proven to be a big failure.


This.

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Sat 08/11/18 04:12 PM

I hope I'm putting this in the right thread.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ap-fact-check-trumps-economic-121232683.html

That's why I don't post to these threads very often. Too many people like to post what they think they know with nothing to back up what they claim.

Which to me is like trying to argue with a 5-year old that really believes what they are saying is true. Even though they can't back up what they say with facts. And I will say it again, mrsHarmoney, I don't see how you do it.

I'm not saying you are right all the time. But you give people facts. They usually refuse to believe it, or they have some smart-mouthed, azz hole something to say back. You have way more patience than I do. If everyone could debate like you and I have these threads would be so much better off for it.

In my little town, since Trump took over being prez, 5 businesses have closed. One is still partially open but has stopped selling gas. The guy that owns the place says that gas is too high for him to buy and resell. Business for others that are still open has dropped dramatically.

The higher the food and gas prices go, the more people stay at home. The money isn't flowing like Trump wants everyone to believe. Except for the Trump followers who drink his koolade and believe his bullshyt.




And nobody from the right gives facts Charles, is that what you are saying

I have no idea why businesses are closing where you are. Have they closed because of.. what?.. trump.. retirement.. lost business to the internet.. what was the reason they closed?

Regarding the gas stations, the smaller ones have been knocked out of business by larger ones with bigger stores for the last 15 or so years, that is the way that entire industry has been going. Mom and Pop independent gas stations have been dying off for a very long time. so nothing new there. Mom a

Just the opposite here where I live.. businesses are booming. Companies can't hire enough new workers. Construction going up all over the place. Commercial construction.

And who are the Azz holes?

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Sat 08/11/18 04:25 PM

I hope I'm putting this in the right thread.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ap-fact-check-trumps-economic-121232683.html

That's why I don't post to these threads very often. Too many people like to post what they think they know with nothing to back up what they claim.

Which to me is like trying to argue with a 5-year old that really believes what they are saying is true. Even though they can't back up what they say with facts. And I will say it again, mrsHarmoney, I don't see how you do it.

I'm not saying you are right all the time. But you give people facts. They usually refuse to believe it, or they have some smart-mouthed, azz hole something to say back. You have way more patience than I do. If everyone could debate like you and I have these threads would be so much better off for it.

In my little town, since Trump took over being prez, 5 businesses have closed. One is still partially open but has stopped selling gas. The guy that owns the place says that gas is too high for him to buy and resell. Business for others that are still open has dropped dramatically.

The higher the food and gas prices go, the more people stay at home. The money isn't flowing like Trump wants everyone to believe. Except for the Trump followers who drink his koolade and believe his bullshyt.




Where do you live Aragon? Atl is booming. Cartersville,Rome. I'm going to work in cedartown. It's overtime if you need work. A lot of people in Aragon are on dope. Trump cut foodstamps. That would explain it.

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/11/18 04:30 PM









United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

Google it!

It's all on tv. They should be getting thousands $$$$. All the supporters out there in US.





alot more people dont watch TV anymore. So I did have to google it.

Kudos to them doing good work in 128 countries for almost 70 years now.




The people I know watch TV. Even my 91,yr old Auntie !!! :smile:


I have alot of younger people in my family, none of them watch TV ,they all use streaming. I happen to only use streaming myself

About six-in-ten of those ages 18 to 29 (61%) say the primary way they watch television now is with streaming services on the internet, compared with 31% who say they mostly watch via a cable or satellite subscription and 5% who mainly watch with a digital antenna, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in August.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/13/about-6-in-10-young-adults-in-u-s-primarily-use-online-streaming-to-watch-tv/


You cheery picked out one age group.. the highest percentage group to make the argument look good.. When you add in the other age groups the overall average is 28%

28%https://decider.com/2017/09/26/quarter-of-americans-stream-tv/





I didnt cherry pick. I posted what I meant. Alot of people are now using streaming and not watching TV, particularly those ages 18-49 who I imagine would be those looking for work.





Well, it sure appears.. you did.. because if you look at the overall percentage 72% do in fact watch t.v. 3 out of 4. but that did not fit your argument.. so it was not posted.

which is.. cherry picking.




I was in a conversation about people looking for jobs, so I was relating it to people that would be in the age to need to look. THat is not including elderly and retired, which are included in the TV numbers and the largest percentage (most did not grow up with or trust gadgets as much as the television)

so yeah. I focused on those who would be looking for jobs and the resources they would look at. And to use your own logic, I said nothing that was untrue... right?





Hmm. really.

well if the 28% can't find the jobs because they are streaming wouldn't it be better to join the majority (72%) who are seeing the jobs

Because jobs are at a all time high.. it would appear that those who are streaming are missing.. a lot... right.




or not, as I said, online is still a sort for searching, but AFTER one narows for their location, education, skills and references and COMPETES against others with better education or skills or references, its not that simple to just 'get a job' that pays the bills and fits the candidate who is searching ...


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Sat 08/11/18 04:34 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 08/11/18 04:34 PM
I find it interesting that people dont aknowledge their opinion vs the facts.

If someone can guess that Trump is to be credit for what goes right, why cant others guess he can be held responsible for things going wrong?

people prospering think everyone should be prospering regardless of how many tell them people are not.

Trump supporters who d well think everyone should be doing well, unless they have something wrong with them.


it is easy for us to pinpoint who to give credit or blame to when it suits us, but suddenly play 'who really knows' when it doesnt

we can do better ....

numbers and datas at least give some context to otherwise repetitive rhetoric and stereotypes.



Easttowest72's photo
Sat 08/11/18 05:03 PM
When you have a small town with independent owner who over charge, people shop at the nearby Wal-Mart etc. I live in a small town. I rarely buy gas or groceries here. It doesn't mean I'm not buying. It means local stores can't compete with competitors.

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Sun 08/12/18 05:45 AM
I find it interesting that people dont aknowledge their opinion vs the facts.

If someone can guess that Trump is to be credit for what goes right, why cant others guess he can be held responsible for things going wrong?
_______________________________________________________________________

So do I

So why is it that the left can not admit when Trump has does something good?. Why cant that be acknowledged?

When he has, all you hear from the left.. is crickets.

Or is it that the left is stating that the President has done absolutely nothing positive.. at all.. is that it?



msharmony's photo
Sun 08/12/18 01:49 PM

I find it interesting that people dont aknowledge their opinion vs the facts.

If someone can guess that Trump is to be credit for what goes right, why cant others guess he can be held responsible for things going wrong?
_______________________________________________________________________

So do I

So why is it that the left can not admit when Trump has does something good?. Why cant that be acknowledged?

When he has, all you hear from the left.. is crickets.

Or is it that the left is stating that the President has done absolutely nothing positive.. at all.. is that it?





I think it is mostly because there is no real way to PROVE what a POTUS personally did or how it personally impacted the results or failures we see around us.

Government is not dicatatorship, so there are hundreds who work together and policy and community flow on a spectrum of change not in chapters neatly chopped up into administrations, so even determining who to credit or blame in that respect seems to be highly subjective to identity politics and which 'side' one identifies with(demo or repub)


For example, staunch democrats will point to the turn around of a near depression and give credit to the then POTUS Obama

while staunch republicans will point to it and credit Bush because of what he was enacting when he was leaving office.

similary, staunch republicans will point to the decreasing unemployment numbers or improving economy and give credit to the now POTUS Trump

while staunch democrates will point to it and credit OBAMA because of what he was enacting and had enacted during his term

truth is ... there is no one person to blame or credit, but it does give fuel to the 'us vs them' that constantly goes on in politics ....



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Mon 08/13/18 04:57 PM
Edited by shovelheaddave on Mon 08/13/18 05:07 PM

I find it interesting that people dont aknowledge their opinion vs the facts.

If someone can guess that Trump is to be credit for what goes right, why cant others guess he can be held responsible for things going wrong?
_______________________________________________________________________

So do I

So why is it that the left can not admit when Trump has does something good?. Why cant that be acknowledged?

When he has, all you hear from the left.. is crickets.

Or is it that the left is stating that the President has done absolutely nothing positive.. at all.. is that it?





it is sort of like if jeffrey dahmer volunteered to babysit your children for you, and then he murdered them and ATE their livers...

sure,it was nice of him to offer to babysit for you,but what do you think the most IMPORTANT part of his behavior was?



a rattlesnake in your house can eat mice,which can spread disease,BUT,he will also probably bite you,and kill you...

sure,it is a good thing that he ate that mouse,but what do you think the most IMPORTANT part of his behavior is?



a cop might stop a bank robbery,but,at night, he is ALSO a seriel killer who is preying on the people he is protecting by day...

sure it is a good thing that he stopped that bank robbery,but what do you think the most IMPORTANT part of his behavior is?



donald trump MIGHT do something that is good for the country occasionally,but mainly,he is also doing A LOT MORE things that are tearing it apart,and causing great damage to it,its citizens,and its reputation....

sure,it is good that donald trump did something that actually helped the country for a change,but is that REALLY the part of his behavior that you think we should be focused on,considering what is at stake?





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Mon 08/13/18 05:32 PM
President Trump is the best President since Ronald Reagan.

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Mon 08/13/18 05:36 PM
laugh