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Topic: Trump and the news media
msharmony's photo
Tue 06/12/18 05:19 PM
Yeah, shaniqua probably dropped out of school with daddy in jail,

WOW is right.



Toodygirl5's photo
Tue 06/12/18 05:20 PM

Capitalism is a great thing. Making money in America isn't the problem. Overspending is the problem. Too much waste in our govt which leads to high tax.

Socialism is depressing.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Toodygirl5's photo
Tue 06/12/18 05:27 PM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Tue 06/12/18 05:32 PM


Assistance is supposed to be. Temporary til you are employed unless you are legitimate disabled then that's different.

Having children doesn't qualify you for disability assistance! I worked. For years with dozens of women , who were raising children.

Maybe because they. have work ethics!!!



yes, assistance is temporary.

having children qualifies you for welfare if you are struggling.

people have different support systems but not everyone's is the same and some use assistance in lieu of some of the systems other 'working' women may rely on.

'work ethics' is only 'status obsession' when a mothers work is not valued without someone paying her for it. ...





Many have hard times. And having work ethics are doing what is Right for oneself and family.

I am talking about women living off government assistance and don't plan on working.

People know that exists, if not you are Naive.

Toodygirl5's photo
Tue 06/12/18 05:30 PM

frustrated




laugh laugh

Hopefully someone like Trump continues as POTUS.

Easttowest72's photo
Tue 06/12/18 05:39 PM




I get mad when I'm behind someone at the grocery store buying name brand with a food stamp card and I'm behind them with great value as a tax payer. I believe a lot of this is why Trump was elected. Like he said, people who truly need help, can't get it.


sounds like a problem with jealousy. because you choose to buy great value shouldn't mean everyone should be required to make the choices you do when it comes to what they wish to serve their family....





Reason Trump suggested food boxes instead of food cards. Like I've said before, the poor are living better than the middle class tax payers on tax payers dine.


the poor are living on much smaller budgets than the middle class, its not living 'better' just because someone sees them take a vacation or buy a food that has a name brand





There budget isn't smaller when you take everything into account. For instance, section 8 paying over a $1000 a month for rent. Medicaid is free so that saves a ton in insurance premiums and deductibles. Then there is help with heat, WIC, eic, cash allowances etc. You are right. If these mom's get a job they take a pay cut. Our welfare system provides these people a better living than the middle class. There is no incentive to work.
I think this is part of the reason we see a lot of depression in America. There use to be a way of life that working hard got you ahead in life. But now you work hard to live not as good as the poor.

no photo
Tue 06/12/18 05:42 PM



Many have hard times. And having work ethics are doing what is Right for oneself and family.

I am talking about women living off government assistance and don't plan on working.

People know that exists, if not you are Naive.


I think she believes they dont exist, that everyone is honest and those on welfare suffered some kind of financial setback and with welfare they will get back on their feet, get a job at Goldman Sachs and earn 6 figures until the next financial crises.

I think she believes that shaniqua and her multiple babies as soon as they get older that they will all find jobs earning the national average income and move to the suburbs.

No, she believes once you're poor, you stay poor, because the oppressors are keeping them down, so welfare is their own option, lord knows that getting a job or multiple jobs like what other immigrants to do get ahead.


tsk tsk tsk.

Easttowest72's photo
Tue 06/12/18 05:54 PM


frustrated




laugh laugh

Hopefully someone like Trump continues as POTUS.


Everyone needs to make sure they are registered to vote and go vote in the election. We have a good thing going now and it can continue if we keep electing the right people into office. Trump is catching a lot of hell from the news media but we can prove to the liberals that the b.s. doesn't matter. We can show that it's ok to be honest and call a county a shithole if infact, it really is a shithole. It's time for the pc to end. It's time for conservatives to stop being afraid to speak the truth.

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/12/18 06:31 PM





I get mad when I'm behind someone at the grocery store buying name brand with a food stamp card and I'm behind them with great value as a tax payer. I believe a lot of this is why Trump was elected. Like he said, people who truly need help, can't get it.


sounds like a problem with jealousy. because you choose to buy great value shouldn't mean everyone should be required to make the choices you do when it comes to what they wish to serve their family....





Reason Trump suggested food boxes instead of food cards. Like I've said before, the poor are living better than the middle class tax payers on tax payers dine.


the poor are living on much smaller budgets than the middle class, its not living 'better' just because someone sees them take a vacation or buy a food that has a name brand





There budget isn't smaller when you take everything into account. For instance, section 8 paying over a $1000 a month for rent. Medicaid is free so that saves a ton in insurance premiums and deductibles. Then there is help with heat, WIC, eic, cash allowances etc. You are right. If these mom's get a job they take a pay cut. Our welfare system provides these people a better living than the middle class. There is no incentive to work.
I think this is part of the reason we see a lot of depression in America. There use to be a way of life that working hard got you ahead in life. But now you work hard to live not as good as the poor.


you listed four or five SEPARATE programs that are MEANS TESTED. that means the recipient does not have ENOUGH to cover on their own. if someone WORKING didnt have enough, they would also be ELIGIBLE to get some help. so what is the problem?

people work hard Everyday and REMAIN poor. the middle class is not living so poorly compared to them, regardless of outward appearances. The middle class is EARNING enough to cover the things that the poor CANNOT. that is what makes them MIDDLE CLASS.



msharmony's photo
Tue 06/12/18 06:32 PM




Many have hard times. And having work ethics are doing what is Right for oneself and family.

I am talking about women living off government assistance and don't plan on working.

People know that exists, if not you are Naive.


I think she believes they dont exist, that everyone is honest and those on welfare suffered some kind of financial setback and with welfare they will get back on their feet, get a job at Goldman Sachs and earn 6 figures until the next financial crises.

I think she believes that shaniqua and her multiple babies as soon as they get older that they will all find jobs earning the national average income and move to the suburbs.

No, she believes once you're poor, you stay poor, because the oppressors are keeping them down, so welfare is their own option, lord knows that getting a job or multiple jobs like what other immigrants to do get ahead.


tsk tsk tsk.



I know that Im not gonna down and diss a whole group of people who need help because I can find some that will abuse the system.

the rest of these thoughts attributed to me are nonsense.


being poor and WORKING are not mutually exclusive.


no photo
Tue 06/12/18 06:40 PM
I think you missed the point .

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/12/18 06:43 PM
no. I read all the stereotyping and condescention quite clearly.


no photo
Tue 06/12/18 06:49 PM
stereotyping and condescending ?

rightttttt.

perhaps you can explain why those living in section 8 housing on welfare has the highest numbers of babies born out of wedlock?

If Im not being to condescending.


And how have I stereotyped?



Easttowest72's photo
Tue 06/12/18 06:49 PM






I get mad when I'm behind someone at the grocery store buying name brand with a food stamp card and I'm behind them with great value as a tax payer. I believe a lot of this is why Trump was elected. Like he said, people who truly need help, can't get it.


sounds like a problem with jealousy. because you choose to buy great value shouldn't mean everyone should be required to make the choices you do when it comes to what they wish to serve their family....





Reason Trump suggested food boxes instead of food cards. Like I've said before, the poor are living better than the middle class tax payers on tax payers dine.


the poor are living on much smaller budgets than the middle class, its not living 'better' just because someone sees them take a vacation or buy a food that has a name brand





There budget isn't smaller when you take everything into account. For instance, section 8 paying over a $1000 a month for rent. Medicaid is free so that saves a ton in insurance premiums and deductibles. Then there is help with heat, WIC, eic, cash allowances etc. You are right. If these mom's get a job they take a pay cut. Our welfare system provides these people a better living than the middle class. There is no incentive to work.
I think this is part of the reason we see a lot of depression in America. There use to be a way of life that working hard got you ahead in life. But now you work hard to live not as good as the poor.


you listed four or five SEPARATE programs that are MEANS TESTED. that means the recipient does not have ENOUGH to cover on their own. if someone WORKING didnt have enough, they would also be ELIGIBLE to get some help. so what is the problem?

people work hard Everyday and REMAIN poor. the middle class is not living so poorly compared to them, regardless of outward appearances. The middle class is EARNING enough to cover the things that the poor CANNOT. that is what makes them MIDDLE CLASS.





After taxes, insurance and retirement contributions a lot of people bring home just a little over 50% of their earnings. This is something you are refusing to admit.
My son is single and isn't going on a cruise. But then again he didn't get $10,000 back at tax time. He bought 2 new tires and got an oil change with his return. He is one of the lucky ones because some people pay all year and pay again at tax time. My sister and her husband were in that category until she retired last year.

If being poor was so rough, they wouldn't be going on cruises, buying 4-wheelers, getting their nails done, and most of all, having more babies to keep their lifestyle.

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/12/18 06:51 PM

stereotyping and condescending ?

rightttttt.

perhaps you can explain why those living in section 8 housing on welfare has the highest numbers of babies born out of wedlock?

If Im not being to condescending.


And how have I stereotyped?





perhaps you can provide some FACTS to back up this nonsense?


stereotypes: Sheniqua, the high school drop out, with the criminal baby's dad ....

a trifecta of stereotyping actually ...


msharmony's photo
Tue 06/12/18 06:53 PM







I get mad when I'm behind someone at the grocery store buying name brand with a food stamp card and I'm behind them with great value as a tax payer. I believe a lot of this is why Trump was elected. Like he said, people who truly need help, can't get it.


sounds like a problem with jealousy. because you choose to buy great value shouldn't mean everyone should be required to make the choices you do when it comes to what they wish to serve their family....





Reason Trump suggested food boxes instead of food cards. Like I've said before, the poor are living better than the middle class tax payers on tax payers dine.


the poor are living on much smaller budgets than the middle class, its not living 'better' just because someone sees them take a vacation or buy a food that has a name brand





There budget isn't smaller when you take everything into account. For instance, section 8 paying over a $1000 a month for rent. Medicaid is free so that saves a ton in insurance premiums and deductibles. Then there is help with heat, WIC, eic, cash allowances etc. You are right. If these mom's get a job they take a pay cut. Our welfare system provides these people a better living than the middle class. There is no incentive to work.
I think this is part of the reason we see a lot of depression in America. There use to be a way of life that working hard got you ahead in life. But now you work hard to live not as good as the poor.


you listed four or five SEPARATE programs that are MEANS TESTED. that means the recipient does not have ENOUGH to cover on their own. if someone WORKING didnt have enough, they would also be ELIGIBLE to get some help. so what is the problem?

people work hard Everyday and REMAIN poor. the middle class is not living so poorly compared to them, regardless of outward appearances. The middle class is EARNING enough to cover the things that the poor CANNOT. that is what makes them MIDDLE CLASS.





After taxes, insurance and retirement contributions a lot of people bring home just a little over 50% of their earnings. This is something you are refusing to admit.
My son is single and isn't going on a cruise. But then again he didn't get $10,000 back at tax time. He bought 2 new tires and got an oil change with his return. He is one of the lucky ones because some people pay all year and pay again at tax time. My sister and her husband were in that category until she retired last year.

If being poor was so rough, they wouldn't be going on cruises, buying 4-wheelers, getting their nails done, and most of all, having more babies to keep their lifestyle.


and even that 50 percent they bring home, is more than what those on welfare get to 'bring home' to cover their living expenses.

people need breaks, their being in poverty doesnt change that just because others choose to sacrifice breaks for themself

and having 'more' babies doesnt keep any lifestyle since it still doesnt come close to keeping up with the expenses OF HAVING MORE BABIES.




no photo
Tue 06/12/18 06:57 PM





perhaps you can provide some FACTS to back up this nonsense?


stereotypes: Sheniqua, the high school drop out, with the criminal baby's dad ....

a trifecta of stereotyping actually ...




Ive provided actual stats
Its not hard to post FBI or Government stats on how many black men between 16 to 49 are in jail or prison

Government stats show up to 70% of babies born in the african American community is out of wedlock.

many of them according to the stats are high school drop outs and if they finished high school many of them are not equipped for college.

again government stats.

Are you trying to tell me next that America doesn't have a gang problem in the inner cities?


Easttowest72's photo
Tue 06/12/18 07:03 PM








I get mad when I'm behind someone at the grocery store buying name brand with a food stamp card and I'm behind them with great value as a tax payer. I believe a lot of this is why Trump was elected. Like he said, people who truly need help, can't get it.


sounds like a problem with jealousy. because you choose to buy great value shouldn't mean everyone should be required to make the choices you do when it comes to what they wish to serve their family....





Reason Trump suggested food boxes instead of food cards. Like I've said before, the poor are living better than the middle class tax payers on tax payers dine.


the poor are living on much smaller budgets than the middle class, its not living 'better' just because someone sees them take a vacation or buy a food that has a name brand





There budget isn't smaller when you take everything into account. For instance, section 8 paying over a $1000 a month for rent. Medicaid is free so that saves a ton in insurance premiums and deductibles. Then there is help with heat, WIC, eic, cash allowances etc. You are right. If these mom's get a job they take a pay cut. Our welfare system provides these people a better living than the middle class. There is no incentive to work.
I think this is part of the reason we see a lot of depression in America. There use to be a way of life that working hard got you ahead in life. But now you work hard to live not as good as the poor.


you listed four or five SEPARATE programs that are MEANS TESTED. that means the recipient does not have ENOUGH to cover on their own. if someone WORKING didnt have enough, they would also be ELIGIBLE to get some help. so what is the problem?

people work hard Everyday and REMAIN poor. the middle class is not living so poorly compared to them, regardless of outward appearances. The middle class is EARNING enough to cover the things that the poor CANNOT. that is what makes them MIDDLE CLASS.





After taxes, insurance and retirement contributions a lot of people bring home just a little over 50% of their earnings. This is something you are refusing to admit.
My son is single and isn't going on a cruise. But then again he didn't get $10,000 back at tax time. He bought 2 new tires and got an oil change with his return. He is one of the lucky ones because some people pay all year and pay again at tax time. My sister and her husband were in that category until she retired last year.

If being poor was so rough, they wouldn't be going on cruises, buying 4-wheelers, getting their nails done, and most of all, having more babies to keep their lifestyle.


and even that 50 percent they bring home, is more than what those on welfare get to 'bring home' to cover their living expenses.

people need breaks, their being in poverty doesnt change that just because others choose to sacrifice breaks for themself

and having 'more' babies doesnt keep any lifestyle since it still doesnt come close to keeping up with the expenses OF HAVING MORE BABIES.






What living expenses? Section 8 covers rent, Medicaid covers premiums and visits, foodstamps cover food, WIC covers formula, help with heat covers part of the light bill. Then the $10,000 in eic can be used for a cruise, 4-wheelers, etc.

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/12/18 07:18 PM






perhaps you can provide some FACTS to back up this nonsense?


stereotypes: Sheniqua, the high school drop out, with the criminal baby's dad ....

a trifecta of stereotyping actually ...




Ive provided actual stats
Its not hard to post FBI or Government stats on how many black men between 16 to 49 are in jail or prison

Government stats show up to 70% of babies born in the african American community is out of wedlock.

many of them according to the stats are high school drop outs and if they finished high school many of them are not equipped for college.

again government stats.

Are you trying to tell me next that America doesn't have a gang problem in the inner cities?




your stats were about out of wedlock births, not about the number of children section 8 recipients have ,,,, thats a totally new stereotype being asserted as fact ... but Id like to see the numbers myself.


Im tired of all the tangents , Im not interested in now talking about gangs, it still doesnt back up that section 8 parents are having more babies or that most on assistance are irresponsible females who expected at conception to have government assistance or any other of the ridiculous complaints being tossed out as if they are the norm ...



msharmony's photo
Tue 06/12/18 07:22 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 06/12/18 07:24 PM









I get mad when I'm behind someone at the grocery store buying name brand with a food stamp card and I'm behind them with great value as a tax payer. I believe a lot of this is why Trump was elected. Like he said, people who truly need help, can't get it.


sounds like a problem with jealousy. because you choose to buy great value shouldn't mean everyone should be required to make the choices you do when it comes to what they wish to serve their family....





Reason Trump suggested food boxes instead of food cards. Like I've said before, the poor are living better than the middle class tax payers on tax payers dine.


the poor are living on much smaller budgets than the middle class, its not living 'better' just because someone sees them take a vacation or buy a food that has a name brand





There budget isn't smaller when you take everything into account. For instance, section 8 paying over a $1000 a month for rent. Medicaid is free so that saves a ton in insurance premiums and deductibles. Then there is help with heat, WIC, eic, cash allowances etc. You are right. If these mom's get a job they take a pay cut. Our welfare system provides these people a better living than the middle class. There is no incentive to work.
I think this is part of the reason we see a lot of depression in America. There use to be a way of life that working hard got you ahead in life. But now you work hard to live not as good as the poor.


you listed four or five SEPARATE programs that are MEANS TESTED. that means the recipient does not have ENOUGH to cover on their own. if someone WORKING didnt have enough, they would also be ELIGIBLE to get some help. so what is the problem?

people work hard Everyday and REMAIN poor. the middle class is not living so poorly compared to them, regardless of outward appearances. The middle class is EARNING enough to cover the things that the poor CANNOT. that is what makes them MIDDLE CLASS.





After taxes, insurance and retirement contributions a lot of people bring home just a little over 50% of their earnings. This is something you are refusing to admit.
My son is single and isn't going on a cruise. But then again he didn't get $10,000 back at tax time. He bought 2 new tires and got an oil change with his return. He is one of the lucky ones because some people pay all year and pay again at tax time. My sister and her husband were in that category until she retired last year.

If being poor was so rough, they wouldn't be going on cruises, buying 4-wheelers, getting their nails done, and most of all, having more babies to keep their lifestyle.


and even that 50 percent they bring home, is more than what those on welfare get to 'bring home' to cover their living expenses.

people need breaks, their being in poverty doesnt change that just because others choose to sacrifice breaks for themself

and having 'more' babies doesnt keep any lifestyle since it still doesnt come close to keeping up with the expenses OF HAVING MORE BABIES.






What living expenses? Section 8 covers rent, Medicaid covers premiums and visits, foodstamps cover food, WIC covers formula, help with heat covers part of the light bill. Then the $10,000 in eic can be used for a cruise, 4-wheelers, etc.


section 8 is not money that the recipients get, it goes directly to the landlords. medicaid still requires MEANS BASED premiums, food stamps do
cover food to the tune of 75 bucks a week. and I dont know what EIC is, but EITC requires the recipients to have been WORKING.

It is all income based, if someone is WORKING and they still need money for just basics like food, shelter, and heat they are also ELIGIBLE for assistance, that is what is there for, help for WHO NEEDS help, its not a punishment for working folks, because its there for them to IF THEY NEED IT.

the fact someone is on it, meant they NEEDED it.

no photo
Tue 06/12/18 08:03 PM










I get mad when I'm behind someone at the grocery store buying name brand with a food stamp card and I'm behind them with great value as a tax payer. I believe a lot of this is why Trump was elected. Like he said, people who truly need help, can't get it.


sounds like a problem with jealousy. because you choose to buy great value shouldn't mean everyone should be required to make the choices you do when it comes to what they wish to serve their family....





Reason Trump suggested food boxes instead of food cards. Like I've said before, the poor are living better than the middle class tax payers on tax payers dine.


the poor are living on much smaller budgets than the middle class, its not living 'better' just because someone sees them take a vacation or buy a food that has a name brand





There budget isn't smaller when you take everything into account. For instance, section 8 paying over a $1000 a month for rent. Medicaid is free so that saves a ton in insurance premiums and deductibles. Then there is help with heat, WIC, eic, cash allowances etc. You are right. If these mom's get a job they take a pay cut. Our welfare system provides these people a better living than the middle class. There is no incentive to work.
I think this is part of the reason we see a lot of depression in America. There use to be a way of life that working hard got you ahead in life. But now you work hard to live not as good as the poor.


you listed four or five SEPARATE programs that are MEANS TESTED. that means the recipient does not have ENOUGH to cover on their own. if someone WORKING didnt have enough, they would also be ELIGIBLE to get some help. so what is the problem?

people work hard Everyday and REMAIN poor. the middle class is not living so poorly compared to them, regardless of outward appearances. The middle class is EARNING enough to cover the things that the poor CANNOT. that is what makes them MIDDLE CLASS.





After taxes, insurance and retirement contributions a lot of people bring home just a little over 50% of their earnings. This is something you are refusing to admit.
My son is single and isn't going on a cruise. But then again he didn't get $10,000 back at tax time. He bought 2 new tires and got an oil change with his return. He is one of the lucky ones because some people pay all year and pay again at tax time. My sister and her husband were in that category until she retired last year.

If being poor was so rough, they wouldn't be going on cruises, buying 4-wheelers, getting their nails done, and most of all, having more babies to keep their lifestyle.


and even that 50 percent they bring home, is more than what those on welfare get to 'bring home' to cover their living expenses.

people need breaks, their being in poverty doesnt change that just because others choose to sacrifice breaks for themself

and having 'more' babies doesnt keep any lifestyle since it still doesnt come close to keeping up with the expenses OF HAVING MORE BABIES.






What living expenses? Section 8 covers rent, Medicaid covers premiums and visits, foodstamps cover food, WIC covers formula, help with heat covers part of the light bill. Then the $10,000 in eic can be used for a cruise, 4-wheelers, etc.


section 8 is not money that the recipients get, it goes directly to the landlords. medicaid still requires MEANS BASED premiums, food stamps do
cover food to the tune of 75 bucks a week. and I dont know what EIC is, but EITC requires the recipients to have been WORKING.

It is all income based, if someone is WORKING and they still need money for just basics like food, shelter, and heat they are also ELIGIBLE for assistance, that is what is there for, help for WHO NEEDS help, its not a punishment for working folks, because its there for them to IF THEY NEED IT.

the fact someone is on it, meant they NEEDED it.


Most of the time I agree with what you post. You have a lot of knowledge and common sense. But, in this one spot, I have to disagree with you. One, Because, several years ago I went out a few times with a woman that bled the system for all it was worth.

She had three kids. She received 21 hundred a month in child support. She was section 8. The light bill every month was 20 bucks. No matter how much power she used. She lived in a home that would normally cost 700 a month to live in it. She paid 100 bucks. For her and her three kids, she received 750 a month in food stamps.

She worked under the table for a pest control company taking service calls from her home. She made another 600 a month from doing that. Every month when she got her food stamps she knew of several businesses that would exchange her food stamps for cash. She kept money hidden all over the house. The last time I went out with her she bragged to me about how she paid cash for a used, one owner, low mileage car. A two-year-old Caddy at the time. With 12 thousand miles on it.

What she didn't know, At the time I was a state worker. Since this is a public forum, I'll go no farther than that. There are a lot of people out there on the system that needs it. People that through no fault of there own wound up in a bad situation. That is what the system was designed for. To help those that absolutely can't help themselves.

For every one person that really needs the system, 8 figure out a way of defrauding it. It was 1 out of 8 then. What the stats are now, I don't know. I do know that many more are defrauding it now than they were then.

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